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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 10:14:59 GMT -6
Nobody will remember that Nolan Ryan is no longer part of the Astro's organization by ST? Wow, I want some of that to smoke.  Not the common fans. Or they at least won't care since he wasn't doing anything for the actual team.  ?? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 8, 2019 10:16:04 GMT -6
I've never seen such a drama queen reaction to something that doesn't matter a whit. This is at least the 3rd or 4th time that Nolan has gotten all sandy-vagged in the last 10 years. It's a cycle for him. I bet he's not so pissed that he'll stop selling his sub-par weiners at the park.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 10:19:45 GMT -6
Not the common fans. Or they at least won't care since he wasn't doing anything for the actual team. I agree. I love Nolan Ryan but the success of this team doesn't depend on him. There's some over-reacting on this board. It is not overreaction. Total success may not lie totally with him, but his influence in this game, and what I brought to the Astros will. All that the Crane's bring to the table is money. We've pissed this legend off twice now. I am guessing it will take another new owner to ever get him back. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 10:28:27 GMT -6
My apologies to my friends at Fugee Land.
(1) The choking of the team in quest of Ring #2
(2) Ryan's departure.
Has had me in a ultra sour mood. Think I will lurk for awhile until I can cool down.
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 8, 2019 10:35:14 GMT -6
Jim Crane is a billionaire businessman...I hardly think he's bumbling along, ruining his companies, by making poor staffing decisions. Also, I think you overestimate the power that one Justin Verlander has in the business model of this organization. He's not making out the line up, and he's not deciding who can be the President of Baseball Operations. Is there a bigger baseball legend than Nolan alive? I don't think so. It would be like the Yankees pissing off the Babe. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 8, 2019 10:42:53 GMT -6
The Rangers decided they didn't need Nolan Ryan and we see how that worked out. I am not saying it will happen with the Astros, but. Crane just made one huge PR blunder. I really really doubt it. This is a lesser PR blunder than the Taubman thing. Nobody will care or remember this by ST, if not sooner. With all due respect.....that was spoken like a true dumbass who has no clue as to what Nolan Ryan has meant to this organization, to this area, and the state of Texas as s whole. I remember some idiots who followed the Rangers saying there would be no repercussions from Daniels forcing Nolsn Ryan ouy.. There would be no baseball franchise in Arlington if not for Nolan. He improved the value of the franchise when he played. They averaged drawing 20,000 more fans when he pitched than any other time. When the franchise was on the verge of bankruptcy, he became a partner and helped save it again. They went to 2 WS while he was there and helping them build a pitching staff...Then Jon Daniels ego got in the way and Nolan left. Reid was working for the Astros before Nolan came on board. I am not saying we went to 2 WS and won one because of the Ryans but Nolan played a big part in them getting Verlander...The Astros would not have even made the 2017 WS without Verlander. Now, Crane decides sonny boy should take over Reid's job. So, you keep on holding on to the ridiculous assumption that this will be soon forgotten........it won't |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 8, 2019 10:45:24 GMT -6
Is there a bigger baseball legend than Nolan alive? I don't think so. It would be like the Yankees pissing off the Babe. Yall forgot about Juan Soto. He's just 21, you know. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 8, 2019 10:46:36 GMT -6
I agree. I love Nolan Ryan but the success of this team doesn't depend on him. There's some over-reacting on this board. It is not overreaction. Total success may not lie totally with him, but his influence in this game, and what I brought to the Astros will. All that the Crane's bring to the table is money. We've pissed this legend off twice now. I am guessing it will take another new owner to ever get him back. heat, you and I are talkng to brick walls. They assume that just because Nolan only worked in an advisory capacity that he had little influence on the team's success. We are all entitled to an opinion, but, some of us know what Nolan Ryan has meant to this franchise and major league baseball as a whole. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 8, 2019 10:56:32 GMT -6
No way I'd put Hank Aaron and Juan Soto in the same company
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 8, 2019 11:03:33 GMT -6
No way I'd put Hank Aaron and Juan Soto in the same company You're no Joe Buck, son. |
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Post by sempersmom on Nov 8, 2019 11:13:28 GMT -6
Mays and Aaron are still alive Yall forgot about Juan Soto. He's just 21, you know. LOL! |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2019 11:33:08 GMT -6
Is there a bigger baseball legend than Nolan alive? I don't think so. It would be like the Yankees pissing off the Babe. I bet you are thinking I would say something racist here, don't you, something about Mays and Aaron...but I won't, they were outstanding. but Ryan is the biggest living legend, he is the KKK King! |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2019 11:34:00 GMT -6
No way I'd put Hank Aaron and Juan Soto in the same company You're no Joe Buck, son. Go Buck Yourself. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 8, 2019 11:36:51 GMT -6
Mays and Aaron are still alive I bet you are thinking I would say something racist here, don't you, something about Mays and Aaron...but I won't, they were outstanding. but Ryan is the biggest living legend, he is the KKK King! I agree. When you and Sherwin crack race jokes, I find it funny. The others .. not so much It's probly cause Sherwin is a minority by the classic definition and y'all make good banter together
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Post by Saint on Nov 8, 2019 12:12:35 GMT -6
@txheat10k and blcoach8Rather then two different conversations at once. Nobody is saying Nolan hasn't helped the organization, or that Reid hasn't been a big part of our success. Obviously they both have. But they weren't in roles that were going to drastically change the team for better or worse. If the Astros start stinking up the place it won't be because those two are gone or are in different roles. I love Nolan as a player, but he's gotten kind of a grumpy old man syndrome over the last decade and a half when it comes to his business dealings. Which is fine, because it's his business. But him suddenly not being an advisor to Crane isn't going to hurt the franchise. It just won't. And if it was such a big deal, why is Reid not quitting? He's accepting his new role and moving forward. He gets it. As far as Reid and Crane Jr., these are both rich sons who have benefitted from their rich connected fathers. They each have the appropriate education and have some solid experience at an executive level. Both are being set up to take over for their fathers, probably sooner rather than later. If Crane wants to keep it in the family (which seems fair and appropriate) it only makes sense for him to bring his son and start grooming him. Nolan will still mentor pitchers when he wants to, and he is still a Texas icon. But we don't NEED him. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2019 12:28:18 GMT -6
I bet you are thinking I would say something racist here, don't you, something about Mays and Aaron...but I won't, they were outstanding. but Ryan is the biggest living legend, he is the KKK King! I agree. When you and Sherwin crack race jokes, I find it funny. The others .. not so much It's probly cause Sherwin is a minority by the classic definition and y'all make good banter together
because Sherwin and I are harmless...we just try to make people smile/laugh....we make fun of everyone....no one is safe, but no one is in danger either....just silly, lighthearted humor....All the Francis' out there need to lighten up. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2019 12:32:00 GMT -6
@txheat10k and blcoach8 Rather then two different conversations at once. Nobody is saying Nolan hasn't helped the organization, or that Reid hasn't been a big part of our success. Obviously they both have. But they weren't in roles that were going to drastically change the team for better or worse. If the Astros start stinking up the place it won't be because those two are gone or are in different roles. I love Nolan as a player, but he's gotten kind of a grumpy old man syndrome over the last decade and a half when it comes to his business dealings. Which is fine, because it's his business. But him suddenly not being an advisor to Crane isn't going to hurt the franchise. It just won't. And if it was such a big deal, why is Reid not quitting? He's accepting his new role and moving forward. He gets it. As far as Reid and Crane Jr., these are both rich sons who have benefitted from their rich connected fathers. They each have the appropriate education and have some solid experience at an executive level. Both are being set up to take over for their fathers, probably sooner rather than later. If Crane wants to keep it in the family (which seems fair and appropriate) it only makes sense for him to bring his son and start grooming him. Nolan will still mentor pitchers when he wants to, and he is still a Texas icon. But we don't NEED him. By reading your posts and others, I have concluded, in the grand scheme of things, Nolan's departure might not hurt the Astros, just the perception of them. I would have done it a little different ....that the Cranes are joining the Ryans..Crane Jr. has taken a more prominent role, and learning under the great Nolan Ryan and his son..but maybe they did, and Nolan got a little butthurt....Not matter what, not good PR/karma. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 8, 2019 12:45:39 GMT -6
@txheat10k and blcoach8 Rather then two different conversations at once. Nobody is saying Nolan hasn't helped the organization, or that Reid hasn't been a big part of our success. Obviously they both have. But they weren't in roles that were going to drastically change the team for better or worse. If the Astros start stinking up the place it won't be because those two are gone or are in different roles. I love Nolan as a player, but he's gotten kind of a grumpy old man syndrome over the last decade and a half when it comes to his business dealings. Which is fine, because it's his business. But him suddenly not being an advisor to Crane isn't going to hurt the franchise. It just won't. And if it was such a big deal, why is Reid not quitting? He's accepting his new role and moving forward. He gets it. As far as Reid and Crane Jr., these are both rich sons who have benefitted from their rich connected fathers. They each have the appropriate education and have some solid experience at an executive level. Both are being set up to take over for their fathers, probably sooner rather than later. If Crane wants to keep it in the family (which seems fair and appropriate) it only makes sense for him to bring his son and start grooming him. Nolan will still mentor pitchers when he wants to, and he is still a Texas icon. But we don't NEED him. By reading your posts and others, I have concluded, in the grand scheme of things, Nolan's departure might not hurt the Astros, just the perception of them. I would have done it a little different ....that the Cranes are joining the Ryans..Crane Jr. has taken a more prominent role, and learning under the great Nolan Ryan and his son..but maybe they did, and Nolan got a little butthurt....Not matter what, not good PR/karma. The optics might not look great on the surface, but it's become pretty apparent that the franchise now is less about optics and more about real success. (Especially compared to past ownerships.) I get that everybody used to like us being "the good guys", but this franchise was going no where when Crane got here. It required some changes. Change can bother people, but it was necessary. I'm not saying I want us to be teh assholes of the league, but it doesn't hurt to take a little bit of that good guy polish off if it means continuing this great run of success. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 8, 2019 12:58:08 GMT -6
I agree. When you and Sherwin crack race jokes, I find it funny. The others .. not so much It's probly cause Sherwin is a minority by the classic definition and y'all make good banter together
because Sherwin and I are harmless...we just try to make people smile/laugh....we make fun of everyone....no one is safe, but no one is in danger either....just silly, lighthearted humor....All the Francis' out there need to lighten up. That's all well and good but if you touch my stuff ... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 8, 2019 13:04:58 GMT -6
I really really doubt it. This is a lesser PR blunder than the Taubman thing. Nobody will care or remember this by ST, if not sooner. Nobody will remember that Nolan Ryan is no longer part of the Astro's organization by ST? Wow, I want some of that to smoke. Jim Crane is a big boy and can run his team how he sees fit. As long as we keep having shots at the championship, I couldn’t care less who kicks their feet up on a desk. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 8, 2019 13:06:17 GMT -6
I agree. I love Nolan Ryan but the success of this team doesn't depend on him. There's some over-reacting on this board. It is not overreaction. Total success may not lie totally with him, but his influence in this game, and what I brought to the Astros will. All that the Crane's bring to the table is money. We've pissed this legend off twice now. I am guessing it will take another new owner to ever get him back. And money has a greater impact than the presence of a legend in the front office. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 8, 2019 13:07:04 GMT -6
I bet you are thinking I would say something racist here, don't you, something about Mays and Aaron...but I won't, they were outstanding. but Ryan is the biggest living legend, he is the KKK King! I agree. When you and Sherwin crack race jokes, I find it funny. The others .. not so much It's probly cause Sherwin is a minority by the classic definition and y'all make good banter together
Up yours, honky. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 8, 2019 13:08:07 GMT -6
because Sherwin and I are harmless...we just try to make people smile/laugh....we make fun of everyone....no one is safe, but no one is in danger either....just silly, lighthearted humor....All the Francis' out there need to lighten up. That's all well and good but if you touch my stuff ... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 8, 2019 13:08:49 GMT -6
Nobody will remember that Nolan Ryan is no longer part of the Astro's organization by ST? Wow, I want some of that to smoke. Jim Crane is a big boy and can run his team how he sees fit. As long as we keep having shots at the championship, I couldn’t care less who kicks their feet up on a desk. If the guy with his feet on the desk is incompetent at the job, there will be no shots at championships |
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Post by Saint on Nov 8, 2019 13:11:32 GMT -6
Jim Crane is a big boy and can run his team how he sees fit. As long as we keep having shots at the championship, I couldn’t care less who kicks their feet up on a desk. If the guy with his feet on the desk is incompetent at the job, there will be no shots at championships Reid and Nolan weren't building this team. They were helping the business side. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2019 14:00:59 GMT -6
because Sherwin and I are harmless...we just try to make people smile/laugh....we make fun of everyone....no one is safe, but no one is in danger either....just silly, lighthearted humor....All the Francis' out there need to lighten up. That's all well and good but if you touch my stuff ... ....Just keep your meat-hooks off.... |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 8, 2019 14:47:22 GMT -6
That's all well and good but if you touch my stuff ... ....Just keep your meat-hooks off.... You just made the list, buddy. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 8, 2019 14:59:07 GMT -6
If the guy with his feet on the desk is incompetent at the job, there will be no shots at championships Reid and Nolan weren't building this team. They were helping the business side. Are you really dumb enough to think that Nolan Ryan had no input in baseball matters, especially pitching? Take a poll of the pitchers and see if he had anything to do with their success or if he had anything to do with the Astros acquiring them. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 8, 2019 16:12:34 GMT -6
Jim Crane is a big boy and can run his team how he sees fit. As long as we keep having shots at the championship, I couldn’t care less who kicks their feet up on a desk. If the guy with his feet on the desk is incompetent at the job, there will be no shots at championships How do we know if Reid was that competent? Why would Crane remove someone who was so great? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 8, 2019 16:18:59 GMT -6
If the guy with his feet on the desk is incompetent at the job, there will be no shots at championships How do we know if Reid was that competent? Why would Crane remove someone who was so great? Some guys would remove anyone to put their son in the position. I don't know how great Reid Ryan was in the job. I do know that he grew up in a baseball environment and was involved with operating a minor league franchise. I doubt if Jared Crane has a similar background. |
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