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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 29, 2019 15:12:02 GMT -6
I complain about Karla as much as anyone, but I can't believe any of you would really want to replace his production (and potential) with that line. I want him traded to restock the farm, Kermit. For addressing Major league needs of the team and replenishing the farm, I am for trading Carlos and Osuna. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 29, 2019 15:49:23 GMT -6
If trash can banging is banned, we should just tank.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 29, 2019 16:24:11 GMT -6
I want him traded to restock the farm, Kermit. For addressing Major league needs of the team and replenishing the farm, I am for trading Carlos and Osuna. Correa needs to go......period. Restocking the farm by trading him makes sense. Trading Osuna makes no sense. The sooner they get his sign-stealing BS worked out, the sooner we can get on with important things. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 29, 2019 17:09:09 GMT -6
For addressing Major league needs of the team and replenishing the farm, I am for trading Carlos and Osuna. Correa needs to go......period. Restocking the farm by trading him makes sense. Trading Osuna makes no sense. The sooner they get his sign-stealing BS worked out, the sooner we can get on with important things. What if the sign-stealing BS lingers? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 29, 2019 17:09:54 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 29, 2019 19:05:49 GMT -6
For addressing Major league needs of the team and replenishing the farm, I am for trading Carlos and Osuna. Correa needs to go......period. Restocking the farm by trading him makes sense. Trading Osuna makes no sense. The sooner they get his sign-stealing BS worked out, the sooner we can get on with important things. At times last season, Osuna was the second or third best option out of the bullpen. We don’t need the guy really. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 30, 2019 11:28:28 GMT -6
This offseason the Astros need to do what they did a couple years ago:
1. Rebuild the Farm
2. Trade ones that are relatively expensive that there are options from within or maybe on the FA market to replace them
3. Find the diamond in rough FAs, like they did with Charlie Morton
For me, on the trading block: Correa, Osuna, Reddick (gigantic discount), Marisnick
Diamond in the rough/better bargain players : Porcello, Roark, Betances, Tommy Hunter (if medicals are looking positive), one or two of these to an incentive or laden minor league : Shelby Miller, Hellickson,Cahill, Adam Conley)
Hitters: Avail Garcia (2021 insurance for Brantley, Yuli and/or Springer)
Re-sign Chirinos to a one year deal with 2nd year team option.
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Post by m240 on Nov 30, 2019 15:41:48 GMT -6
You know a reclamation project that makes sense is Bundy. I bet that he is someone we could help realize his potential.
I do not think there will be many free agent signings this year due to budget constraints and the negative press. So we try to sign our own guys back Harris and one of our catchers and then trade for a starter or two. We can still win 100 next year while we play under a microscope and get everyone to shut the hell up.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2019 15:55:19 GMT -6
Correa needs to go......period. Restocking the farm by trading him makes sense. Trading Osuna makes no sense. The sooner they get his sign-stealing BS worked out, the sooner we can get on with important things. At times last season, Osuna was the second or third best option out of the bullpen. We don’t need the guy really. Who replaces him? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 30, 2019 16:45:54 GMT -6
At times last season, Osuna was the second or third best option out of the bullpen. We don’t need the guy really. Who replaces him? They could re-sign Harris and do a closer by committee type deal. Let’s face it, he wasn’t exactly a lockdown reliever in the postseason. He blew Game 3 wide open against the Sox with that grand slam back in ‘18. They won Game 2 against the Rays this year in spite of him. There was that LeMahieu home run and the run in Game 7. He’s a decent closer, but this team won’t die without him. After the Greinke trade, they could use more talent on the farm. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 30, 2019 16:52:00 GMT -6
They could re-sign Harris and do a closer by committee type deal. Let’s face it, he wasn’t exactly a lockdown reliever in the postseason. He blew Game 3 wide open against the Sox with that grand slam back in ‘18. They won Game 2 against the Rays this year in spite of him. There was that LeMahieu home run and the run in Game 7. He’s a decent closer, but this team won’t die without him. After the Greinke trade, they could use more talent on the farm. I am not for re-signing Harris ...I think he will be expensive, and I think he is not as good as his numbers suggest. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 30, 2019 17:03:41 GMT -6
They could re-sign Harris and do a closer by committee type deal. Let’s face it, he wasn’t exactly a lockdown reliever in the postseason. He blew Game 3 wide open against the Sox with that grand slam back in ‘18. They won Game 2 against the Rays this year in spite of him. There was that LeMahieu home run and the run in Game 7. He’s a decent closer, but this team won’t die without him. After the Greinke trade, they could use more talent on the farm. I never thought I'd see the day where you'd be the one leading the cheerleading for Will "Gas Can In The Playoffs" Harris. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 30, 2019 17:04:29 GMT -6
They could re-sign Harris and do a closer by committee type deal. Let’s face it, he wasn’t exactly a lockdown reliever in the postseason. He blew Game 3 wide open against the Sox with that grand slam back in ‘18. They won Game 2 against the Rays this year in spite of him. There was that LeMahieu home run and the run in Game 7. He’s a decent closer, but this team won’t die without him. After the Greinke trade, they could use more talent on the farm. I never thought I'd see the day where you'd be the one leading the cheerleading for Will "Gas Can In The Playoffs" Harris. Not my finest hour. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 30, 2019 17:05:24 GMT -6
They could re-sign Harris and do a closer by committee type deal. Let’s face it, he wasn’t exactly a lockdown reliever in the postseason. He blew Game 3 wide open against the Sox with that grand slam back in ‘18. They won Game 2 against the Rays this year in spite of him. There was that LeMahieu home run and the run in Game 7. He’s a decent closer, but this team won’t die without him. After the Greinke trade, they could use more talent on the farm. I am not for re-signing Harris ...I think he will be expensive, and I think he is not as good as his numbers suggest. I can’t figure out which reliever is more annoying. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 30, 2019 17:05:34 GMT -6
Let’s face it, he wasn’t exactly a lockdown reliever in the postseason. He blew Game 3 wide open against the Sox with that grand slam back in ‘18. Yet you're supporting a re-signing and dependence on Will Harris, who blew us out of the playoffs in 2015, and blew us out of the World Series in 2019. Somehow he's better than the closer who led the league in saves this season? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2019 18:01:38 GMT -6
my take on the pen:
1. Osuna led the AL in saves and we need to keep him.
2. I would re-sign Harris if the contract is reasonable. I understand Bortaz's take,but, he was the most reliable reliever we had over the course of the season and the playoffs.
3.We need to either sign a FA lefty or trade for one to go in the pen.
4.Do not keep Rondon and non-tende the strutting assbole, Devenski.
5.I think Abreu will be a good fit in the pen next season.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 30, 2019 18:44:20 GMT -6
Let’s face it, he wasn’t exactly a lockdown reliever in the postseason. He blew Game 3 wide open against the Sox with that grand slam back in ‘18. Yet you're supporting a re-signing and dependence on Will Harris, who blew us out of the playoffs in 2015, and blew us out of the World Series in 2019. Somehow he's better than the closer who led the league in saves this season? I never said it was an easy call, but if they can save money hopefully to keep Springer and get prospects for him, let’s take that shot. If Harris’s price tag is unreasonable then bye Felicia. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 30, 2019 18:49:23 GMT -6
Yet you're supporting a re-signing and dependence on Will Harris, who blew us out of the playoffs in 2015, and blew us out of the World Series in 2019. Somehow he's better than the closer who led the league in saves this season? I never said it was an easy call, but if they can save money hopefully to keep Springer and get prospects for him, let’s take that shot. If Harris’s price tag is unreasonable then bye Felicia. You think Harris (with his fake numbers) is going to make less than $10m or whatever Osuna makes? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 30, 2019 18:51:25 GMT -6
Yet you're supporting a re-signing and dependence on Will Harris, who blew us out of the playoffs in 2015, and blew us out of the World Series in 2019. Somehow he's better than the closer who led the league in saves this season? I never said it was an easy call, but if they can save money hopefully to keep Springer and get prospects for him, let’s take that shot. If Harris’s price tag is unreasonable then bye Felicia. I rather sign Betances than Harris, plus I think he will be cheaper. Has it just been this forum talking about McCullers to the pen? Or has Luhnow given mention to it? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 30, 2019 18:52:34 GMT -6
I never said it was an easy call, but if they can save money hopefully to keep Springer and get prospects for him, let’s take that shot. If Harris’s price tag is unreasonable then bye Felicia. You think Harris (with his fake numbers) is going to make less than $10m or whatever Osuna makes? *****Like fake numbers |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 30, 2019 20:57:45 GMT -6
I never said it was an easy call, but if they can save money hopefully to keep Springer and get prospects for him, let’s take that shot. If Harris’s price tag is unreasonable then bye Felicia. You think Harris (with his fake numbers) is going to make less than $10m or whatever Osuna makes? If not, someone else can have him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 30, 2019 21:00:47 GMT -6
I never said it was an easy call, but if they can save money hopefully to keep Springer and get prospects for him, let’s take that shot. If Harris’s price tag is unreasonable then bye Felicia. I rather sign Betances than Harris, plus I think he will be cheaper. Has it just been this forum talking about McCullers to the pen? Or has Luhnow given mention to it? I like Betances too but how much would you spend on a guy who just recorded two outs last season? |
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Post by Saint on Nov 30, 2019 22:11:39 GMT -6
That was last year. His defense at SS was a little better than average, and 2B a little below average. His average season since becoming a full-time player after leaving us: 145 Games 17 HR 56 RBI 76 Runs 40 SB 140 Hits .268/.336/.423 101 OPS+ 2.6 WAR And that includes a miserable 2017 season. He's not a star, but he's typically a better than average hitter and good baserunner that can play solid or better defense at a premium position. I complain about Karla as much as anyone, but I can't believe any of you would really want to replace his production (and potential) with that line. Not a straight up swap. But if you get some good stuff for Correa and add him as a replacement, that would likely be an overall net gain. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 30, 2019 22:15:48 GMT -6
As for Harris, he'll probably get a 2-year $15 million type offer, I would think.
And he had an excellent postseason. It's just unfortunate that all that will be remembered will be Game 7.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 30, 2019 23:31:09 GMT -6
As for Harris, he'll probably get a 2-year $15 million type offer, I would think. And he had an excellent postseason. It's just unfortunate that all that will be remembered will be Game 7. And Game 6. And Game 4 in ‘15. He has such highs and such lows. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2019 23:49:14 GMT -6
I rather sign Betances than Harris, plus I think he will be cheaper. Has it just been this forum talking about McCullers to the pen? Or has Luhnow given mention to it? I like Betances too but how much would you spend on a guy who just recorded two outs last season? i would pass on Betances......too prone to injury. We can do better, |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2019 23:51:36 GMT -6
I never said it was an easy call, but if they can save money hopefully to keep Springer and get prospects for him, let’s take that shot. If Harris’s price tag is unreasonable then bye Felicia. You think Harris (with his fake numbers) is going to make less than $10m or whatever Osuna makes? How does he put up "fake numbers"? Either he had the number or he didn't.......his numbers for 2019 were among the best of any reliever and better than most. I would spend money on him before I would Betances. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 1, 2019 0:38:41 GMT -6
As for Harris, he'll probably get a 2-year $15 million type offer, I would think. And he had an excellent postseason. It's just unfortunate that all that will be remembered will be Game 7. And Game 6. And Game 4 in ‘15. He has such highs and such lows. But we probably don't even get to the WS without his clutch performance in the ALDS and ALCS. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 1, 2019 6:14:14 GMT -6
And Game 6. And Game 4 in ‘15. He has such highs and such lows. But we probably don't even get to the WS without his clutch performance in the ALDS and ALCS. Yeah, they don’t get past the Rays without him bailing out Osuna in Game 2. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 1, 2019 6:16:06 GMT -6
You think Harris (with his fake numbers) is going to make less than $10m or whatever Osuna makes? How does he put up "fake numbers"? Either he had the number or he didn't.......his numbers for 2019 were among the best of any reliever and better than most. I would spend money on him before I would Betances. Harris lulls you into a false sense of confidence and then bam, Kendrick homers to right field. What a crushing moment. |
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