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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 11, 2019 11:32:01 GMT -6
Astros offered Cole 7/$250m Proud of them. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2019 11:44:20 GMT -6
So why are people so against a Castro reunion? Chirinos and him had very similar 2019 seasons by most accounts. (Chirinos was better, but not by a lot.)
Castro: 101 OPS+ 13 HR 19% CS +2 Runs from Strikes
Chirinos: 105 OPS+ 17 HR 21% CS -9 Runs from Strikes
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 11, 2019 11:56:10 GMT -6
I heard a "source" say Rendon is going to the Rangers.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 11, 2019 12:00:27 GMT -6
So why are people so against a Castro reunion? Chirinos and him had very similar 2019 seasons by most accounts. (Chirinos was better, but not by a lot.) Castro: 101 OPS+ 13 HR 19% CS +2 Runs from Strikes Chirinos: 105 OPS+ 17 HR 21% CS -9 Runs from Strikes Personality matters. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 12:14:46 GMT -6
Signing Rendon is the shot in the arm we need. You don't win in the postseason without pitching. We can't keep adding high priced position players and not doing something about the rotation. Unless we can sign Bumgarner, there is not FA starter available worth the investment.....And, I don't want to hear that Keuchel is an option......that ship has sailed. Trading Correa in a deal for Castillo makes sense but I am not holding my breath waiting for it to happen. Unless we can extend Springer NOW......signing Rendon makes a lot of sense to keep the strong lineup we have in place. What are opinions on taking a look at signing Michael Wacha?? He has been a decent starter and he can relieve, |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 12:21:22 GMT -6
We need a real catcher. We need relief pitching. We need a #4 and #5 pitcher in the rotation. We don't need a 3B. If you sign Rendon to what he's surely going to be paid, you don't get to extend Springer. Astros need Springer in the OF for next 5 years way more than they would need Rendon at 3B for that same time The big question is ......would it be easier to extend Springer or sign Rendon? I don't understand why a strong move isn't being made to extend Springer......If they are serious about getting it done, it is being kept quiet. We need to do one of the other and get it settled ASAP. If Springer is determined to test free agency...and refusing to sign an extension should tell them that is his plans.......then, we need to make a strong push to sign Rendon and get it done NOW. Luhnow has a habit of not pulling the trigger until the intended target has been taken off the board. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2019 12:22:02 GMT -6
So why are people so against a Castro reunion? Chirinos and him had very similar 2019 seasons by most accounts. (Chirinos was better, but not by a lot.) Castro: 101 OPS+ 13 HR 19% CS +2 Runs from Strikes Chirinos: 105 OPS+ 17 HR 21% CS -9 Runs from Strikes Personality matters. I don't recall Castro being a problem in the clubhouse. What did he do? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 12:22:38 GMT -6
I heard a "source" say Rendon is going to the Rangers. he won't if we go after him and are serious about it. If he wants to win, he won't go to Arlington. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2019 12:23:25 GMT -6
You don't win in the postseason without pitching. We can't keep adding high priced position players and not doing something about the rotation. Unless we can sign Bumgarner, there is not FA starter available worth the investment.....And, I don't want to hear that Keuchel is an option......that ship has sailed. Trading Correa in a deal for Castillo makes sense but I am not holding my breath waiting for it to happen. Unless we can extend Springer NOW......signing Rendon makes a lot of sense to keep the strong lineup we have in place. What are opinions on taking a look at signing Michael Wacha?? He has been a decent starter and he can relieve, Just because there may not be a good FA SP option worth the money at this point, doesn't mean we need to go out and sign another costly position player when we're already looking at around a $230 million payroll this year. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 12:24:28 GMT -6
I don't recall Castro being a problem in the clubhouse. What did he do? Oh good grief..........are you going to start promoting that useless Castro??. He never saw a strike he wanted to swing at......Watching him get called out on strikes is what he does best.....NO CASTRO. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2019 12:25:26 GMT -6
I don't know why people keep talking about Rendon. No where anywhere has anybody with our FO mentioned Rendon at all. Not at all. We are not going to try for Rendon. It's not even a pipe dream.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 12:26:09 GMT -6
Unless we can sign Bumgarner, there is not FA starter available worth the investment.....And, I don't want to hear that Keuchel is an option......that ship has sailed. Trading Correa in a deal for Castillo makes sense but I am not holding my breath waiting for it to happen. Unless we can extend Springer NOW......signing Rendon makes a lot of sense to keep the strong lineup we have in place. What are opinions on taking a look at signing Michael Wacha?? He has been a decent starter and he can relieve, Just because there may not be a good FA SP option worth the money at this point, doesn't mean we need to go out and sign another costly position player when we're already looking at around a $230 million payroll this year. If we want to continue competing with the Yankees and other top clubs, we have to spend some money. Getting players off the scrap heap at Goodwill won't get it done. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2019 12:27:47 GMT -6
I don't recall Castro being a problem in the clubhouse. What did he do? Oh good grief..........are you going to start promoting that useless Castro??. He never saw a strike he wanted to swing at......Watching him get called out on strikes is what he does best.....NO CASTRO. No, actually what he does best is frame well, get on base decently for a catcher, and hit double digit HRs in 400 or less plate appearances. He'd certainly be worth a Chirinos-esque contract to pair with Stubbs. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2019 12:28:10 GMT -6
Just because there may not be a good FA SP option worth the money at this point, doesn't mean we need to go out and sign another costly position player when we're already looking at around a $230 million payroll this year. If we want to continue competing with the Yankees and other top clubs, we have to spend some money. Getting players off the scrap heap at Goodwill won't get it done. Tell that to the Rays and Oakland. |
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Post by talshill on Dec 11, 2019 12:45:02 GMT -6
Via a friend-of-a-friend kind of deal, I've learned that they want to trade Correa and Reddick (no big surprise) and will make a run at Rendon. It's my understanding that Springer has been approached more than once regarding an extension and has rebuffed the Astros, so I wouldn't look for him to be extended.
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 11, 2019 12:49:19 GMT -6
Via a friend-of-a-friend kind of deal, I've learned that they want to trade Correa and Reddick (no big surprise) and will make a run at Rendon. It's my understanding that Springer has been approached more than once regarding an extension and has rebuffed the Astros, so I wouldn't look for him to be extended. If Springer refuses to sign, ship him off to Toronto. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 11, 2019 13:00:35 GMT -6
I don't recall Castro being a problem in the clubhouse. What did he do? Not a fan of pouty Castro. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 11, 2019 13:04:11 GMT -6
Via a friend-of-a-friend kind of deal, I've learned that they want to trade Correa and Reddick (no big surprise) and will make a run at Rendon. It's my understanding that Springer has been approached more than once regarding an extension and has rebuffed the Astros, so I wouldn't look for him to be extended. Well if that is the case, then yes, sign Rendon.. but that makes trading Correa and Osuna even more important....instead of needing a catching prospect to be the #2 need after pitching, it would be OF. What elite OF prospects do the Astros have? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 11, 2019 13:21:04 GMT -6
I don't recall Castro being a problem in the clubhouse. What did he do? I didn't say anything about the clubhouse. Fans didn't like his personality (and the gawking backward over his shoulder after every shitty at-bat) |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 11, 2019 13:27:13 GMT -6
I don't know why people keep talking about Rendon. No where anywhere has anybody with our FO mentioned Rendon at all. Not at all. We are not going to try for Rendon. It's not even a pipe dream. Thanks Nathan. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 11, 2019 13:32:56 GMT -6
He probably is. That said, it’s hard to see how the team can shed payroll this offseason, not take on any payroll and compete for a championship in 2020. Lots of payroll coming off the books at the end of 2020 though. If Crane was, as it was reported, willing to pay the luxury tax in 2020 in order to re-sign Cole, I would think he would do the same to sign Rendon. Just my opinion though. True, but the trade chips on the farm are dwindling. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 11, 2019 13:45:24 GMT -6
You don’t win WITH pitching when you don’t score. We had JV, Cole and Greinke last season. If we couldn’t win the WS with that rotation and the position players we had, we aren’t going to win the WS with pitching and the same or lesser position players next season imo. Out of those three only Greinke actually pitched well in the WS though. Even the $300 million man gave up 6 ER in 14 IP in the WS. And surely you agree that our offense pretty well underperformed in the WS. True. Our excellent pitching rotation could not stifle the Nats excellent hitters. True. The offense underperformed in the WS. That should not have come as a surprise. They were facing Scherzer and Strasburg, not the Mariners SP’s. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 11, 2019 13:48:20 GMT -6
Astros offered Cole 7/$250m A more-than-fair and respectable offer. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 14:32:07 GMT -6
If we want to continue competing with the Yankees and other top clubs, we have to spend some money. Getting players off the scrap heap at Goodwill won't get it done. Tell that to the Rays and Oakland. When did either of them last win the WS?? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 14:36:56 GMT -6
Via a friend-of-a-friend kind of deal, I've learned that they want to trade Correa and Reddick (no big surprise) and will make a run at Rendon. It's my understanding that Springer has been approached more than once regarding an extension and has rebuffed the Astros, so I wouldn't look for him to be extended. If Springer won't sign an extension, then, we may need to see what we can get for him on the trade front. In any case, we need to go get Rendon and forget extending Springer. Signing Rendon and trading for Luis Castillo would be great. I am sure there would be plenty of interested clubs if we made Springer available, and, if he refuses an extenslon, trade him. I know he is a valauble player right now, but, if he won't commit long term, trade his ass. He could bring us back the top prospects we need. Trading him and Correa could give us a supply of top prospects. Problem I see is our outfield is taking a big hit unless we sign or get one in a trade. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 14:38:24 GMT -6
Via a friend-of-a-friend kind of deal, I've learned that they want to trade Correa and Reddick (no big surprise) and will make a run at Rendon. It's my understanding that Springer has been approached more than once regarding an extension and has rebuffed the Astros, so I wouldn't look for him to be extended. Well if that is the case, then yes, sign Rendon.. but that makes trading Correa and Osuna even more important....instead of needing a catching prospect to be the #2 need after pitching, it would be OF. What elite OF prospects do the Astros have? If we fail to re-sign Harris and trade Osuna, what do you propose we do for a bullpen?? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 14:48:26 GMT -6
Mlb network says the Dodgers appear to be backing off signing Rendon. and, the Angels, Rangers, and Nats are making a run...........No mention of the Astros which probably means Luhnow and Crane could be working on a deal to bring him home.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 11, 2019 14:51:47 GMT -6
Well if that is the case, then yes, sign Rendon.. but that makes trading Correa and Osuna even more important....instead of needing a catching prospect to be the #2 need after pitching, it would be OF. What elite OF prospects do the Astros have? If we fail to re-sign Harris and trade Osuna, what do you propose we do for a bullpen?? Trenien and Betances, if you look at their numbers prior to last season, they're elite. Their stuff is elite. I'm confident Presley will come back this next season free from any lingering effects of an injury and be dominant again. I'm actually for McCullers to the bullpen, so If this were the bullpen: Pressly, McCullers, Betances, Trenien, James, I think it'd be the best in the league. Add that to a rotation of Verlander, Greinke, signed FA, Urquidy and #5? and I think the pitching as a whole is just as a good as it started out in 2019 season....maybe even better. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 11, 2019 14:58:24 GMT -6
I hope we don't revert back to the whole mentality of trading our good MLB talent because of some false "need for top prospects". Top prospects haven't ever won the World Series.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 15:03:15 GMT -6
If we fail to re-sign Harris and trade Osuna, what do you propose we do for a bullpen?? Trenien and Betances, if you look at their numbers prior to last season, they're elite. Their stuff is elite. I'm confident Presley will come back this next season free from any lingering effects of an injury and be dominant again. I'm actually for McCullers to the bullpen, so If this were the bullpen: Pressly, McCullers, Betances, Trenien, James, I think it'd be the best in the league. Add that to a rotation of Verlander, Greinke, signed FA, Urquidy and #5? and I think the pitching as a whole is just as a good as it started out in 2019 season....maybe even better. I haven't seen anywhere that we are considering either Trenien or Betances....I am not opposed to that but Betances has spent a lot of time on the IL. I would like to see them look at Michael Wacha who could come at a reasonable price. As I think talshill said on another thread, if Crane was willing to offer Cole the amount we saw, I doubt if he is very concerned about a luxury tax and we could be making a strong run at signing Rendon... A rotation of Verlander, Greinke, McCullers, Urquidy and either a FA, a pitcher acquired in a trade or one of our young guys like Whitley could come around an be a #5. If we could trade Correa in a deal for Castillo, we have a strong rotation. |
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