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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 11, 2019 21:18:44 GMT -6
We really can't afford his salary or to lose the prospects it would take to get him |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 11, 2019 21:33:10 GMT -6
Oh well.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 11, 2019 21:33:31 GMT -6
Well, now I don’t see how we can’t get better by dumping Correa.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 11, 2019 21:35:20 GMT -6
Also, the last thing the Astros need is for teams within the division to improve while losing Cole.
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 11, 2019 21:38:40 GMT -6
We really can't afford his salary or to lose the prospects it would take to get him I am not saying to get him. Just crazy how many players are being discussed. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 11, 2019 21:43:31 GMT -6
Rendon to Angels official: 7 years/$245 million.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 21:58:58 GMT -6
Also, the last thing the Astros need is for teams within the division to improve while losing Cole. Halos have holes all over their team. Outside Trout, Rendon, a shelved "iffy" Ohtani, and a Poohole in steep decline? They're at OMB weak sister status. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 22:00:38 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 22:04:33 GMT -6
I have to believe the sign-stealing investigation is scaring FA's from wanting to sign with us. Rendon is gone........time to pursue Bumgarner.......I would not back away from talking to Donaldson.
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Post by olpapa on Dec 11, 2019 22:30:15 GMT -6
All the activity prior to and at the winter meetings brought to mind this article on MLBTR posted back in October about the MLBPA rejecting a proposal made by MLB:
“MLBPA Rejects Proposal For Multiyear Contract Deadline
By Connor Byrne | October 31, 2019 at 6:41pm CDT
One of the main criticisms of Major League Baseball’s recent free-agent periods is that star players have gone too long without signing contracts. Just last offseason, the game’s two premier free agents, Bryce Harper and Manny Machado, didn’t ink deals until a few weeks before the regular campaign started. The same was true of Jake Arrieta, to name one prominent example, the prior winter. But MLB has shown interest in cutting down on big-name stragglers on the open market, Evan Drellich of The Athletic explains (subscription link). Earlier this month, the league sent a proposal to the MLBPA that would’ve placed a cutoff date on free agents signing multiyear contracts, but the union summarily shot it down, according to Drellich.
“After due consideration, we rejected their proposal as not being in the best interests of players,” MLBPA senior director of collective bargaining and legal Bruce Meyer said (via Drellich). “We asked if MLB was interested in discussing other, more direct and tangible ways of incentivizing early signings and they weren’t at this time.”
Had the union said yes to the league’s idea, there wouldn’t have been any contracts of more than one year doled out past the Dec. 8-12 winter meetings. MLB at least wanted to implement the plan on a one-year trial basis this winter, Drellich reports, but the union didn’t think it would benefit the players because it might have given too much leverage to the teams. In the MLBPA’s estimation, a multiyear signing deadline would have created a “take-it-or-leave-it” mentality among some free agents, who may have felt pressured to accept an offer before the drop-dead date, potentially decreasing their earning power.
Of course, there’s also an argument a deadline would’ve taken away quite a bit of offseason intrigue. In leagues like the NFL, NBA and NHL, free agency often opens with a mad rush of headline-worthy moves before becoming rather dull with most of the top players off the board. For better or worse (depending on your perspective), that hasn’t really been the case in baseball, nor does it look as if it will be this offseason with super-agent Scott Boras set to oversee negotiations for the likes of Gerrit Cole, Anthony Rendon, Stephen Strasburg and perhaps J.D. Martinez. Boras clients (including Harper and Arrieta) have shown a willingness to hang on the open market for months until the absolute best deal comes along.
The outspoken Boras shared his opinion on MLB’s rejected FA proposal with Drellich, saying in part: “They want to make the offseason more predictive as to when players sign, and the answer to do that is to provide incentive, not limitation, on the free-agent right. A player has six years, he should determine when he signs, that should be his choice, because he’s earned that right. Any restriction, any limitation on that timeframe would restrict the right. Because some clubs make decisions in February they wouldn’t make in December. And there’s obviously a strong history for that.”
I don’t like Boras at all, but he was right about this.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 23:11:01 GMT -6
Guys on Mlb network are handing our division to the Angels after they signed Rendon...they seem to forget the Angels still have no pitching. One of them suggested they sign Keuchel who could be effective with that defense.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 5:08:51 GMT -6
Guys on Mlb network are handing our division to the Angels after they signed Rendon...they seem to forget the Angels still have no pitching. One of them suggested they sign Keuchel who could be effective with that defense. Spoken from the collective numbnuts who spout WAR as the greatest stat on earth. Based on that "hallowed" statistic, Rendon's additon isn't even going to put a dent in a team that finished 35 games back last year. This is now a team of a few superstars surrounded by shit. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2019 7:57:01 GMT -6
I have a feeling something big is Brewing. I dont believe Correa is off the Market. I think he is square in the middle of it.
They are just trying to drive up the cost on him. See if someone jumps up and offers big for him.
With all the talks from the Cubs I wouldnt be surprised to see a Correa for either Kris Bryant or Wilson Contreras.
But there is still chatter on the Luis Castillo front. But nothing to big. I think the Astros are asking for more. Thats why its hovering..
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2019 8:07:27 GMT -6
Alot of talk Angels will push for MadBum and Keuchal. To try and push the division to there favor
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 8:17:25 GMT -6
Roark and Lindblom off the table. Things are moving quickly this year. Yep.......as usual...others are trying to improve while Luhnow scratches his ass. Eh, Luhnow is in a tough spot to be able to do much this offseason without trading significant parts of the team. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 8:21:28 GMT -6
I don't know about the Angels, but the gap between us and Oakland has gotten a lot smaller with Cole's departure.
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 8:24:13 GMT -6
A core of Trout-Rendon-Upton-Ohtani in the middle of the order is pretty damn effective if they stay healthy.
They still need to invest in pitching though.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2019 8:33:55 GMT -6
Porcello to the Mets 10m
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2019 8:36:34 GMT -6
Its gonna have to be a trade. Everyone else is snagging all the FAs up with lits of money. These contracts are wildly out of hand.
If we are gonna be in any way possible to stay where we are, we need to atleast fill our holes and push for certain in and outs to happen.
I wouldnt care what Correa is asking or if he is pissed. He would be traded along with Reddick. Everyone else except for a few should be watching there backs.
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 9:04:48 GMT -6
Its gonna have to be a trade. Everyone else is snagging all the FAs up with lits of money. These contracts are wildly out of hand. If we are gonna be in any way possible to stay where we are, we need to atleast fill our holes and push for certain in and outs to happen. I wouldnt care what Correa is asking or if he is pissed. He would be traded along with Reddick. Everyone else except for a few should be watching there backs. They're not going to dismantle a WS-caliber team. Worst case scenario, they stand pat with just a couple super cheap pitcher signings for depth. Even if we do nothing, we still have the makings of a great team and moves could be made later during the season. Worst case:Lineup: Springer CF Altuve 2B Brantley LF Bregman 3B Alvarez DH Gurriel 1B Correa SS Tucker RF Stubbs C Bench:Straw Garneau Toro Reddick Diaz Rotation:Verlander Greinke Peacock McCullers Urquidy Bullpen:Osuna Pressley Biagini Devenski James Sneed Perez Sure, the bullpen isn't as strong as we would want and our catchers won't be feared, but it's still overall a top-5 team in the AL on paper. You've got 2-4 legitimate MVP candidates if healthy, and your rotation is headlined by two CY-caliber pitchers. And all that even if we do nothing at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 9:27:35 GMT -6
Its gonna have to be a trade. Everyone else is snagging all the FAs up with lits of money. These contracts are wildly out of hand. If we are gonna be in any way possible to stay where we are, we need to atleast fill our holes and push for certain in and outs to happen. I wouldnt care what Correa is asking or if he is pissed. He would be traded along with Reddick. Everyone else except for a few should be watching there backs. They're not going to dismantle a WS-caliber team. Worst case scenario, they stand pat with just a couple super cheap pitcher signings for depth. Even if we do nothing, we still have the makings of a great team and moves could be made later during the season. Sure, the bullpen isn't as strong as we would want and our catchers won't be feared, but it's still overall a top-5 team in the AL on paper. You've got 2-4 legitimate MVP candidates if healthy, and your rotation is headlined by two CY-caliber pitchers. And all that even if we do nothing at all. You are right. All Cole's leaving did was dethrone us as the best team in MLB on paper. (mantle now resides in NY). The team you list above is still a strong second (IMO), and is of obvious WS championship cailber. I still like our chances against the NYY in a best of 7. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 12, 2019 9:33:45 GMT -6
Yep.......as usual...others are trying to improve while Luhnow scratches his ass. Eh, Luhnow is in a tough spot to be able to do much this offseason without trading significant parts of the team. He shouldn't have put himself in that tough spot by allowing them to cheat and destroy the team's reputation. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 9:43:57 GMT -6
I don't know about the Angels, but the gap between us and Oakland has gotten a lot smaller with Cole's departure. A LOT. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 9:52:22 GMT -6
The Astros had the luxury of standing pat and leaning on being divisional favorites. They can’t do that now with Rendon and Cole off the table. Oakland could win the division. Verlander and Greinke are a year older and a year slower. McCullers is on an innings limit. Correa is still a part-time player. Rendon was a definite overpay, but I don’t think they have much to trade at this point without using major league players.
To refresh the lineup, Luhnow must make moves soon before the sanctions by MLB come down. These are dire straits.
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 10:23:12 GMT -6
Eh, Luhnow is in a tough spot to be able to do much this offseason without trading significant parts of the team. He shouldn't have put himself in that tough spot by allowing them to cheat and destroy the team's reputation. I'm witholding judgement on that until we know more about who might have been involved. If anything is his fault, it's loading the team up with massive contracts over the next two years that hinder our flexibility. But, he was going for the gold (and we certainly benefitted). |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2019 10:25:47 GMT -6
The Astros had the luxury of standing pat and leaning on being divisional favorites. They can’t do that now with Rendon and Cole off the table. Oakland could win the division. Verlander and Greinke are a year older and a year slower. McCullers is on an innings limit. Correa is still a part-time player. Rendon was a definite overpay, but I don’t think they have much to trade at this point without using major league players. To refresh the lineup, Luhnow must make moves soon before the sanctions by MLB come down. These are dire straits. Thats what Im saying. Its crazy. Heard two days ago they almost had something but it hit a snag. My biggest thing is go get young guys to bring in. Remove some of the fat and go forward. Js Reddick has to go. Correa for something nice either a Wislon Contreras or Luis Castellio. Then look forward to the deadline and see where we are. Yuli, Grienke, Brantley and even Springer should be looked at when this comming years deadline comes if we are behind. Thats a fact. All those guys can get us good stuff back. If you wanna keep springer has has to move to LF where Brantleys at and then CF is Straws spot to lose. Grienke is good but if we are behind he can net us a good core young guy. Yuli the same. He is not resigning with us. He will walk. And Brantley would get us another good core young guy from a team. This is looking forward not at the moment. You have to play the books to play forward. Try and snag something know or the above will be the future of the team. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2019 10:27:46 GMT -6
Also Astros are in the process of looking at Austin Barnes of the Dodgers. They live his framing. Not really worried about the bat.
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 10:28:57 GMT -6
The Astros had the luxury of standing pat and leaning on being divisional favorites. They can’t do that now with Rendon and Cole off the table. Oakland could win the division. Verlander and Greinke are a year older and a year slower. McCullers is on an innings limit. Correa is still a part-time player. Rendon was a definite overpay, but I don’t think they have much to trade at this point without using major league players. To refresh the lineup, Luhnow must make moves soon before the sanctions by MLB come down. These are dire straits. It's not dire this season. They won't be runaway favorites for the division, but it is still their's to lose. They can start this season with what they have and then add before the trade deadline. There are certainly question marks, but all teams have question marks. You get to the postseason and then it's practically a crap shoot anyways. We were a loss away from not getting out of the divisional round with our amazing roster last year. The *good* news: We free up a ton of money over the next two seasons with only two big contracts remaining (unless we manage to get Springer back). And Altuve and Bregman will still be in their primes to continue to build around. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 10:33:42 GMT -6
Guys on Mlb network are handing our division to the Angels after they signed Rendon...they seem to forget the Angels still have no pitching. One of them suggested they sign Keuchel who could be effective with that defense. Spoken from the collective numbnuts who spout WAR as the greatest stat on earth. Based on that "hallowed" statistic, Rendon's additon isn't even going to put a dent in a team that finished 35 games back last year. This is now a team of a few superstars surrounded by shit. The Angels continue their tradition of stockpiling over-priced position players while ignoring the fact their pitching is close to being the worst in baseball. The contracts given to CJ Wilson, Josh Hamiltonk and Pujols have brough them no titles. They lost out on Cole so they jumped on the next biggest fish available even though they needed pitching much worse.....They have added this salary to that of Trout and the others and will still have NO playoff appearance. The idiots on MLB will jabber on all day about Rendon. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 10:37:02 GMT -6
Yep.......as usual...others are trying to improve while Luhnow scratches his ass. Eh, Luhnow is in a tough spot to be able to do much this offseason without trading significant parts of the team. voodoo will be sad to learn that Luhnow supposedly has "assured" Correa that he will remain an Astro......of course, we know how that can play out. I fail to see the logic in keeping him if we can get a good return for him. He has taken all the in-season vacations he needs to take for us. |
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