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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 10:38:33 GMT -6
I don't know about the Angels, but the gap between us and Oakland has gotten a lot smaller with Cole's departure. Unless we add the pitching we need, Oakland will be favored to win the division. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2019 10:46:34 GMT -6
I think alot of you are holding onto alot of hope and prayers.
I really dont see a FA heading our way. And if we set back and wait well it looks really bleek.
We all know we will get hit with something. So if you are scared and keep wanting to push forward with what you have we clearly are not the second best in the league. We are top 5 but not second.
If you do a slight adjustment to players going out and comming in. You might be surprised.
It wouldnt be a tear up a championship team. Its a slight move around.
Lets say we do the Carlos Correa for Luis Castello or Wilson Contraras. Sure there would be more parts but it would be intreasting to have Tucker full time in RF. Straw would be the guy behind Springer in CF. And if you sign Springer long term Brantley would have to go and Springer gets RF.
Theres specualtion that Springer wont resign and head some where else. So looking at all angles, Im sure the Astros organization would know more then most of us. But you would have to think the Trade Deadline will be intreasting if we are behind.
Js money out young in.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 12, 2019 10:49:04 GMT -6
Folks, we have a Messkin poster who can't spell "Castillo" or "Contreras". Damn, man.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 10:53:38 GMT -6
He shouldn't have put himself in that tough spot by allowing them to cheat and destroy the team's reputation. I'm witholding judgement on that until we know more about who might have been involved. If anything is his fault, it's loading the team up with massive contracts over the next two years that hinder our flexibility. But, he was going for the gold (and we certainly benefitted). When he traded for Greinke, Luhnow said he and Crane decided to go for it.......Luhnow did what he needed to do. Nobody expected a WS where we won all three on the road and lost all of them at home. We had game 7 under control with Greinke pitching a masterpiece......Hinch had Cole warming up in the pen.....Hinch looks at his damn clipboard and decides it's time to pull Greinke.....Insrtead of making the move that any sane person would have made and bring in Cole, he totally disrespects Cole and brings in Harris to give up the Kendrick HR off the foul pole. Game over............WS over........Hinch screwed the pooch and GAVE the WS to the Nationals. After Hinch took a dump on Cole, Gerrit shows up at the post-game in the clubhouse wearing a BORAS cap and announcing he is no longer an employee of the Astro. He the same as told Hinch to kiss his ass with that statement and I don't blame him. Hinch made the worst move of the entire season at the worst time and blew the WS......and blew any possible chance we had of keeping Cole at the same time. Then, Crane has a brain fart and disrespects the Ryan family by demoting Reid to promote his son......In the meantime Nolan Ryan tells them to kiss his ass and quits............Weeks later, Fiers starts the ball rolling on this sign-stealng BS...........Overall, Hinch, Crane, and Luhnow are having one hell of an off season.......They need to make moves to show fans they are at least going to try to keep winning......If severe penalties are handed down and we have stood pat over the winter and the 2020 season starts off badly, fans will disappear in droves......ticket and merchandise sales go down.......Fans can forgive the penalties if they are handed down...........a lot won''t forgive sitting on their asses not trying to keep the team in the running for titles. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2019 11:06:26 GMT -6
But here is the question.
Would you trade Correa and a Player/Prospect for Kris Bryant?
I think I would. Lock him in as your 3B move Bregman to SS and see what Tyler Jones Can do and Toro
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2019 11:08:43 GMT -6
Brandon Bailey selected by Baltimore
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 11:14:06 GMT -6
I don't know about the Angels, but the gap between us and Oakland has gotten a lot smaller with Cole's departure. Unless we add the pitching we need, Oakland will be favored to win the division. Nah. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 11:15:35 GMT -6
But here is the question. Would you trade Correa and a Player/Prospect for Kris Bryant? I think I would. Lock him in as your 3B move Bregman to SS and see what Tyler Jones Can do and Toro The problem with that is Bryant will be gone in two years as well. Then, he’ll leave because Crane and Luhnow usually hesitate to lock up players, and the carousel then resumes. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 11:30:04 GMT -6
But here is the question. Would you trade Correa and a Player/Prospect for Kris Bryant? I think I would. Lock him in as your 3B move Bregman to SS and see what Tyler Jones Can do and Toro The problem with that is Bryant will be gone in two years as well. Then, he’ll leave because Crane and Luhnow usually hesitate to lock up players, and the carousel then resumes. Whoa whoa, hesitate to lock up players? We extended Bregman, Altuve, and Verlander to large contracts.... Rumors are that they've tried with Springer and he wasn't interested. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 11:38:15 GMT -6
The problem with that is Bryant will be gone in two years as well. Then, he’ll leave because Crane and Luhnow usually hesitate to lock up players, and the carousel then resumes. Whoa whoa, hesitate to lock up players? We extended Bregman, Altuve, and Verlander to large contracts.... Rumors are that they've tried with Springer and he wasn't interested. I think they usually tend to wait a great deal of time. Like I’ve said, Bregman was a notable exception. They got to that one early. They waited a while with Altuve and JV. With Cole, they waited too long. You don’t want all the animals to get a chance at your top dog. With Springer, it doesn’t look so good. I’m hindsight, Cole was the one they should’ve locked up before Verlander. It’s not just because he looked about 42 in the postseason but because Cole was the younger star. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 11:40:07 GMT -6
Whoa whoa, hesitate to lock up players? We extended Bregman, Altuve, and Verlander to large contracts.... Rumors are that they've tried with Springer and he wasn't interested. I think they usually tend to wait a great deal of time. Like I’ve said, Bregman was a notable exception. They got to that one early. They waited a while with Altuve and JV. With Cole, they waited too long. You don’t want all the animals to get a chance at your top dog. With Springer, it doesn’t look so good. Just because they don't extend everybody as early as they did Bregman doesn't mean they're hesitant. Those types of deals are still pretty rare. Bregman was the odd one there. (Odd in a good way for us.) |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 12, 2019 11:40:36 GMT -6
Red Sox got Arauz.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 11:45:19 GMT -6
I think they usually tend to wait a great deal of time. Like I’ve said, Bregman was a notable exception. They got to that one early. They waited a while with Altuve and JV. With Cole, they waited too long. You don’t want all the animals to get a chance at your top dog. With Springer, it doesn’t look so good. Just because they don't extend everybody as early as they did Bregman doesn't mean they're hesitant. Those types of deals are still pretty rare. Bregman was the odd one there. (Odd in a good way for us.) Even though we lost Cole, I was happy with the offer they gave. I’m not sure why they’re trying to trade Correa if Rendon is off the table. Now, they’re forced to do a big league swap, which is questionable on whether or not it improves the team. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2019 11:55:47 GMT -6
Yohan Ramirez to the Mariners
Aruaz to the Red Sox
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2019 12:08:13 GMT -6
Just because they don't extend everybody as early as they did Bregman doesn't mean they're hesitant. Those types of deals are still pretty rare. Bregman was the odd one there. (Odd in a good way for us.) Even though we lost Cole, I was happy with the offer they gave. I’m not sure why they’re trying to trade Correa if Rendon is off the table. Now, they’re forced to do a big league swap, which is questionable on whether or not it improves the team. I think Correa should be on the table. He gets injured a lot, his arbitration value is getting more expensive, only two more seasons of team control and more than likely the Aatros will not sign him to a lucrative contract. His production, when healthy, is good, so hopefully other teams are looking for a top 5 shortstop (when not injured). If Toro or Tanielu can reasonably project out to be 260BA, 340OBP, 20HR hitters... Then I think you trade Correa now, to address needs at pitching and catching, a try to geta good OF prospect. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 12:10:04 GMT -6
Unless we add the pitching we need, Oakland will be favored to win the division. Nah. I am afraid that "nah" doesn't explain why we win it anyway without Cole or doing anything to strengthen the roster. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 12:14:44 GMT -6
But here is the question. Would you trade Correa and a Player/Prospect for Kris Bryant? I think I would. Lock him in as your 3B move Bregman to SS and see what Tyler Jones Can do and Toro The problem with that is Bryant will be gone in two years as well. Then, he’ll leave because Crane and Luhnow usually hesitate to lock up players, and the carousel then resumes. We extend Altuve while apparently ignoring Springer. We extend Bregman while apparently ignoring Springer. Now, when we want to extend him, Springer balks.......and why would we act surprised? Not extending core players can lead to disaster....George Springer is every bit as valuable....if not more valuable.......than Altuve or Bregman. He is the heart and soul of the team........we suffer more when he is out than when Altuve went out. Not doing what he had to do to extend Springer is royal screw up on the part of Crane and Luhnow. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 12:18:16 GMT -6
I think they usually tend to wait a great deal of time. Like I’ve said, Bregman was a notable exception. They got to that one early. They waited a while with Altuve and JV. With Cole, they waited too long. You don’t want all the animals to get a chance at your top dog. With Springer, it doesn’t look so good. Just because they don't extend everybody as early as they did Bregman doesn't mean they're hesitant. Those types of deals are still pretty rare. Bregman was the odd one there. (Odd in a good way for us.) Springer should have been extended before even trying to extend Bregman. Correa's still pouting over Altuve and Bregman being extended over him so he takes vacations in the middle of the season.. Being infatuated with Altuve and Bregman and ignoring Springer was a very bad move. George knows what he means to this team.........too bad Crane and Luhnow don't seem to agree. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 12:20:42 GMT -6
If Luhnow actually told Correa he will remain an Astro, that is another blunder to add to the list.
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Post by m240 on Dec 12, 2019 12:28:38 GMT -6
Unless we add the pitching we need, Oakland will be favored to win the division. Nah. the smart money in Vegas still has us as a slight #2 to the Yankees |
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Post by m240 on Dec 12, 2019 12:36:32 GMT -6
The problem with that is Bryant will be gone in two years as well. Then, he’ll leave because Crane and Luhnow usually hesitate to lock up players, and the carousel then resumes. We extend Altuve while apparently ignoring Springer. We extend Bregman while apparently ignoring Springer. Now, when we want to extend him, Springer balks.......and why would we act surprised? Not extending core players can lead to disaster....George Springer is every bit as valuable....if not more valuable.......than Altuve or Bregman. He is the heart and soul of the team........we suffer more when he is out than when Altuve went out. Not doing what he had to do to extend Springer is royal screw up on the part of Crane and Luhnow. Your narrative just does not hold water. The team tried to lock up Springer with a much better deal than they gave Singleton. He refused. They tried to tie him up after his second season. He refused. They tried to tie him up after his 4th year. He refused. So clearly they have tried to tie him up. So far he has refused. |
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Post by churchill on Dec 12, 2019 12:37:14 GMT -6
A core of Trout-Rendon-Upton-Ohtani in the middle of the order is pretty damn effective if they stay healthy. They still need to invest in pitching though. Buster Olney @buster_ESPN Possible LAA lineup, with Fletcher's role to be flushed out, and star prospect Jo Adell emerging: La Stella/Fletcher 2B Mike Trout CF Shohei Ohtani DH Anthony Rendon 3B Justin Upton LF Albert Pujols 1B Jo Adell RF Max Stassi C Andrelton Simmons SS Should be one of best AL lineups. 2:22 AM · Dec 12, 2019·TweetDeck |
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Post by m240 on Dec 12, 2019 12:39:25 GMT -6
If Luhnow actually told Correa he will remain an Astro, that is another blunder to add to the list. What was said to Correa was that there were no talks about him under way and that they have not made any calls TO anyone trying to trade him. He did not say that no one had contracted him. Clearly they have had talks, just not anything that made Luhnow's socks roll up and down. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 12:52:43 GMT -6
I am afraid that "nah" doesn't explain why we win it anyway without Cole or doing anything to strengthen the roster. I mean nah, they aren't going to be the favorites going into the season. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 12:53:44 GMT -6
Just because they don't extend everybody as early as they did Bregman doesn't mean they're hesitant. Those types of deals are still pretty rare. Bregman was the odd one there. (Odd in a good way for us.) Springer should have been extended before even trying to extend Bregman. Correa's still pouting over Altuve and Bregman being extended over him so he takes vacations in the middle of the season.. Being infatuated with Altuve and Bregman and ignoring Springer was a very bad move. George knows what he means to this team.........too bad Crane and Luhnow don't seem to agree. You're assuming that they've never approached Springer about an extension. Most of what I've heard in the past is that he was wanting to explore free agency when he was able to. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 12:54:13 GMT -6
If Luhnow actually told Correa he will remain an Astro, that is another blunder to add to the list. Right after the two pennants and championship, right? |
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 12:55:29 GMT -6
A core of Trout-Rendon-Upton-Ohtani in the middle of the order is pretty damn effective if they stay healthy. They still need to invest in pitching though. Buster Olney @buster_ESPN Possible LAA lineup, with Fletcher's role to be flushed out, and star prospect Jo Adell emerging: La Stella/Fletcher 2B Mike Trout CF Shohei Ohtani DH Anthony Rendon 3B Justin Upton LF Albert Pujols 1B Jo Adell RF Max Stassi C Andrelton Simmons SS Should be one of best AL lineups. 2:22 AM · Dec 12, 2019·TweetDeck Yeah it could be pretty solid. A lot of questions after Upton in that lineup though. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 12, 2019 13:27:13 GMT -6
If Luhnow actually told Correa he will remain an Astro, that is another blunder to add to the list. Right after the two pennants and championship, right? Putting aside the flash lights and garbage can lids, his contribution in a ALCS was a major factor in making the last WS. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 13:59:02 GMT -6
If Luhnow actually told Correa he will remain an Astro, that is another blunder to add to the list. What was said to Correa was that there were no talks about him under way and that they have not made any calls TO anyone trying to trade him. He did not say that no one had contracted him. Clearly they have had talks, just not anything that made Luhnow's socks roll up and down. Are you voodoo's twin? Neither you nor any of us know what was said to Correa. If they are not trying to trade Correa, that is a mistake. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 14:00:40 GMT -6
If Luhnow actually told Correa he will remain an Astro, that is another blunder to add to the list. Right after the two pennants and championship, right? I did not mean to imply that all of the blunder's were Luhnow's..........Hinch and Crane made their share......Hinch in how he managed game 7 of the WS and Crane in taking a dump on the Ryans |
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