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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 14:01:44 GMT -6
What was said to Correa was that there were no talks about him under way and that they have not made any calls TO anyone trying to trade him. He did not say that no one had contracted him. Clearly they have had talks, just not anything that made Luhnow's socks roll up and down. Are you voodoo's twin? Neither you nor any of us know what was said to Correa. If they are not trying to trade Correa, that is a mistake. You can’t trade Correa without a Plan B. Plan B went to Anaheim. They could give a look to Donaldson maybe, but he just turned 34. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 14:09:47 GMT -6
Are you voodoo's twin? Neither you nor any of us know what was said to Correa. If they are not trying to trade Correa, that is a mistake. You can’t trade Correa without a Plan B. Plan B went to Anaheim. They could give a look to Donaldson maybe, but he just turned 34. I can't believe they are even talking about the Rockies possibly trading Arenado. In any case, we could not be involved with that. If they decide Toro or some other young infielder could fill Correa's spot, they could do it to slash some salary and use hte money to sign pitching. The more I hear them talk about the Brewers being willing to trade Josh Hader the more I get sick thinking we traded him to get trash like Fiers and Gomez. Hader could have filled a big hole in our bullpen. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2019 14:12:48 GMT -6
Are you voodoo's twin? Neither you nor any of us know what was said to Correa. If they are not trying to trade Correa, that is a mistake. You can’t trade Correa without a Plan B. Plan B went to Anaheim. They could give a look to Donaldson maybe, but he just turned 34. Do we really need to create a Plan B for a player that only played 75 games last year, not to mention only playing 109 and 110 in 2017 and 2018? With his injury history, we should already have a Plan B. If Springer will not sign an extension are you advocating for them to offer one to Correa? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 14:16:12 GMT -6
You can’t trade Correa without a Plan B. Plan B went to Anaheim. They could give a look to Donaldson maybe, but he just turned 34. Do we really need to create a Plan B for a player that only played 75 games last year, not to mention only playing 109 and 110 in 2017 and 2018? With his injury history, we should already have a Plan B. If Springer will not sign an extension are you advocating for them to offer one to Correa? Springer over Correa for sure. I don’t think trading Correa is a must but without a backup plan, the team gets worse without him. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2019 14:28:16 GMT -6
Do we really need to create a Plan B for a player that only played 75 games last year, not to mention only playing 109 and 110 in 2017 and 2018? With his injury history, we should already have a Plan B. If Springer will not sign an extension are you advocating for them to offer one to Correa? Springer over Correa for sure. I don’t think trading Correa is a must but without a backup plan, the team gets worse without him. Astros do not have an equivalent replacement for Correa, but if you can't count on him to stay healthy, then might as well go with the player you were going to have fill-in for him anyways. Therefore, I just think the Astros have other needs that trading away Correa makes sense.... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 14:32:34 GMT -6
Springer over Correa for sure. I don’t think trading Correa is a must but without a backup plan, the team gets worse without him. Astros do not have an equivalent replacement for Correa, but if you can't count on him to stay healthy, then might as well go with the player you were going to have fill-in for him anyways. Therefore, I just think the Astros have other needs that trading away Correa makes sense.... So, you think we can be as good without Correa? Who would you trade for? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 14:36:23 GMT -6
Astros do not have an equivalent replacement for Correa, but if you can't count on him to stay healthy, then might as well go with the player you were going to have fill-in for him anyways. Therefore, I just think the Astros have other needs that trading away Correa makes sense.... So, you think we can be as good without Correa? Who would you trade for? We have been without him for half the season anyway due to his vacations so I would try to trade him. I would prefer trading him for a pitcher like Luis Castillo but I'd consider others. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 14:42:00 GMT -6
So, you think we can be as good without Correa? Who would you trade for? We have been without him for half the season anyway due to his vacations so I would try to trade him. I would prefer trading him for a pitcher like Luis Castillo but I'd consider others. Okay, you get Castillo. You still need a catcher and middle relief. What then? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2019 14:42:19 GMT -6
Astros do not have an equivalent replacement for Correa, but if you can't count on him to stay healthy, then might as well go with the player you were going to have fill-in for him anyways. Therefore, I just think the Astros have other needs that trading away Correa makes sense.... So, you think we can be as good without Correa? Who would you trade for? Yes the team as a whole, considering he is often injured.... Averaging in the last 3 years, he has played 60% of the time.... Astros have a big need at SP, catcher and next year OF....I would look at the Mets, Dodgers and Braves to see if they are interested. All 3 check the boxes for top talent at SP and catching. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 14:43:53 GMT -6
To solve the catcher issue, I think they should try and make a less splashy deal for Hedges from the Padres.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 14:45:00 GMT -6
So, you think we can be as good without Correa? Who would you trade for? Yes the team as a whole, considering he is often injured.... Averaging in the last 3 years, he has played 60% of the time.... Astros have a big need at SP, catcher and next year OF....I would look at the Mets, Dodgers and Braves to see if they are interested. All 3 check the boxes for top talent at SP and catching. The problem is Lindor is being shopped around, and he is a superior player. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2019 14:46:26 GMT -6
At this point I would look at the entire picture. What would it take to get: Austin Barnes from the Dodgers who not only hate us for Yordan maybe cheating them in the WS. But just overall have a team that well under performes. Might want way more then he is worth. Or Willson Contreras for what? Then what to do about Josh Reddick? Can Carlos Correa get us a SP? Luis Castillo? Some one else? Wonder if Micheal Fulmer can be had even though he is still recovering from TJ? Who else is out there? Wheres all the bullpen arms?  Will the Astros make an offer on any other players? Theres just alot of clout that needs to be answered. BEFORE WE GET NAILED TO THE CROSS. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 14:49:03 GMT -6
Honestly, I believe catching should come after pitching needs. I may be the only one here, but I'm totally cool with going into the beginning of the season with Stubbs as the primary catcher. He's young, athletic, healthy, and cheap. Save the money for now.
If he stinks up the joint, make a move for a catcher later in the season if it looks like we're in the hunt.
That being said, I would do a Correa for Contreras swap straight up right now.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2019 15:04:11 GMT -6
Honestly, I believe catching should come after pitching needs. I may be the only one here, but I'm totally cool with going into the beginning of the season with Stubbs as the primary catcher. He's young, athletic, healthy, and cheap. Save the money for now. If he stinks up the joint, make a move for a catcher later in the season if it looks like we're in the hunt. That being said, I would do a Correa for Contreras swap straight up right now. There still talking to the Didgers about Austin Barnes. I dont get it with the Wilson to Austin part. Way high to OK |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2019 15:07:39 GMT -6
Honestly, I believe catching should come after pitching needs. I may be the only one here, but I'm totally cool with going into the beginning of the season with Stubbs as the primary catcher. He's young, athletic, healthy, and cheap. Save the money for now. If he stinks up the joint, make a move for a catcher later in the season if it looks like we're in the hunt. That being said, I would do a Correa for Contreras swap straight up right now. I am for Dustin May and Jeter Downs for Correa...may that is too much of a VD type of wish. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2019 15:13:07 GMT -6
Honestly, I believe catching should come after pitching needs. I may be the only one here, but I'm totally cool with going into the beginning of the season with Stubbs as the primary catcher. He's young, athletic, healthy, and cheap. Save the money for now. If he stinks up the joint, make a move for a catcher later in the season if it looks like we're in the hunt. That being said, I would do a Correa for Contreras swap straight up right now. I am for Dustin May and Jeter Downs for Correa...may that is too much of a VD type of wish. Barnes Verdugo and Kelly. But thats me |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2019 15:16:38 GMT -6
I am for Dustin May and Jeter Downs for Correa...may that is too much of a VD type of wish. Barnes Verdugo and Kelly. But thats me How could you not want Dustin May, Todd's illegitimate son...He is Todd with a mullet. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 15:18:41 GMT -6
Honestly, I believe catching should come after pitching needs. I may be the only one here, but I'm totally cool with going into the beginning of the season with Stubbs as the primary catcher. He's young, athletic, healthy, and cheap. Save the money for now. If he stinks up the joint, make a move for a catcher later in the season if it looks like we're in the hunt. That being said, I would do a Correa for Contreras swap straight up right now. I am for Dustin May and Jeter Downs for Correa...may that is too much of a VD type of wish. Why would the Dodgers be interested in Correa? Don't they still have Seager or did I miss something? |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 12, 2019 15:21:43 GMT -6
Wonder if Micheal Fulmer can be had even though he is still recovering from TJ? Fulmer is likely to miss the first half of the season and the Tigers would have no reason to rush him. Maybe he'll be a trade target in July but I think next winter is far more likely. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 15:41:50 GMT -6
We have been without him for half the season anyway due to his vacations so I would try to trade him. I would prefer trading him for a pitcher like Luis Castillo but I'd consider others. Okay, you get Castillo. You still need a catcher and middle relief. What then? You sign Chirinos...which should have already been done......and let Stubb be backup catcher. Betances would be an option for middle relief and Harris is still unsigned........I think we can use Abreu in middle relief. I can't believe Devenski is being considered/ |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 15:46:17 GMT -6
Honestly, I believe catching should come after pitching needs. I may be the only one here, but I'm totally cool with going into the beginning of the season with Stubbs as the primary catcher. He's young, athletic, healthy, and cheap. Save the money for now. If he stinks up the joint, make a move for a catcher later in the season if it looks like we're in the hunt. That being said, I would do a Correa for Contreras swap straight up right now. Why would you trade Correa for a catcher when a SP is a bigger need? Use him to get Castillo. Contreras would be nice to have but a combo of Chirinos/Stubbs makes more sense. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2019 15:58:46 GMT -6
I am for Dustin May and Jeter Downs for Correa...may that is too much of a VD type of wish. Why would the Dodgers be interested in Correa? Don't they still have Seager or did I miss something? I wouldn't think they would be interested in either, but there are rumors they are interested in Lindor. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 16:08:23 GMT -6
I am for Dustin May and Jeter Downs for Correa...may that is too much of a VD type of wish. Barnes Verdugo and Kelly. But thats me ROFL 1. Verdugo not likely. 2. Kelly: Luhnow is trying to SHED payroll. I do like the “all needs in one trade” idea, though. |
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Post by m240 on Dec 12, 2019 16:10:39 GMT -6
What was said to Correa was that there were no talks about him under way and that they have not made any calls TO anyone trying to trade him. He did not say that no one had contracted him. Clearly they have had talks, just not anything that made Luhnow's socks roll up and down. Are you voodoo's twin? Neither you nor any of us know what was said to Correa. If they are not trying to trade Correa, that is a mistake. I am voodoo's twin like you are Colt's secret lover. I read what Luhnow told him in an article in the Athletic I think. Perhaps I should of said what he told the Athletic was ................ Other than that I stand on what I said. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2019 16:18:42 GMT -6
Honestly, I believe catching should come after pitching needs. I may be the only one here, but I'm totally cool with going into the beginning of the season with Stubbs as the primary catcher. He's young, athletic, healthy, and cheap. Save the money for now. If he stinks up the joint, make a move for a catcher later in the season if it looks like we're in the hunt. That being said, I would do a Correa for Contreras swap straight up right now. Why would you trade Correa for a catcher when a SP is a bigger need? Use him to get Castillo. Contreras would be nice to have but a combo of Chirinos/Stubbs makes more sense. I'm just pointing out that I wouldn't be against getting a badass catcher in a trade if it didn't look like suitable pitching could be received. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 16:21:24 GMT -6
Why would you trade Correa for a catcher when a SP is a bigger need? Use him to get Castillo. Contreras would be nice to have but a combo of Chirinos/Stubbs makes more sense. I'm just pointing out that I wouldn't be against getting a badass catcher in a trade if it didn't look like suitable pitching could be received. If we can't get a quality starting pitcher for him. I am fine with dealing him for Contreras. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 16:23:00 GMT -6
Why would you trade Correa for a catcher when a SP is a bigger need? Use him to get Castillo. Contreras would be nice to have but a combo of Chirinos/Stubbs makes more sense. I'm just pointing out that I wouldn't be against getting a badass catcher in a trade if it didn't look like suitable pitching could be received. I’m just saying that losing Correa puts a whole lot on Toro or Straw. I hope they can handle it since the offense and bullpen play Hot Potato in close games. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 16:23:04 GMT -6
Are you voodoo's twin? Neither you nor any of us know what was said to Correa. If they are not trying to trade Correa, that is a mistake. I am voodoo's twin like you are Colt's secret lover. I read what Luhnow told him in an article in the Athletic I think. Perhaps I should of said what he told the Athletic was ................ Other than that I stand on what I said. If Luhnow assured Correa he would not be traded, that was a mistake. To hang on to a guy who could bring back a good starting pitcher when he has missed nearly haf of the last three seasons is just plain stupid. |
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Post by m240 on Dec 12, 2019 16:29:06 GMT -6
I am voodoo's twin like you are Colt's secret lover. I read what Luhnow told him in an article in the Athletic I think. Perhaps I should of said what he told the Athletic was ................ Other than that I stand on what I said. If Luhnow assured Correa he would not be traded, that was a mistake. To hang on to a guy who could bring back a good starting pitcher when he has missed nearly haf of the last three seasons is just plain stupid. go back and read what I said. Look at what I capitalized. He told him that he did not make any calls TO anyone. He did not say that he has not explored trade proposals but did say that no one has offered up what he wants so far and no talks are going on right now. He did go on to say that he does not think it very likely RIGHT NOW that any of our core players will be traded. What I get from that is that some folks have called and made offers and he has not liked what was put out there. What I get from the rest of what he said was that he is all ears. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 16:29:25 GMT -6
I'm just pointing out that I wouldn't be against getting a badass catcher in a trade if it didn't look like suitable pitching could be received. If we can't get a quality starting pitcher for him. I am fine with dealing him for Contreras. Whoever has more team control would be my target. |
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