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Post by Saint on Dec 17, 2019 9:27:34 GMT -6
Maybe both sides realized that the slow offseasons the past couple years isn't good for anybody. Looking at what still available on the market, I'm hoping the Astros sign Betances and Chirinos As far as starting pitching, it is slim pickings. Maybe Julio Teheran, he's good for about a 175 innings...I am hoping 2 years/22M with a 3rd year team option of $15M.... How the market is going, I don't that offer would be sufficient. And see what is going on with Tajuan Walker Fliers - Homer Bailey, Shelby Miller, Adam Conley...these pitchers might be had for next to nothing. middle relief, occasional start pitchers. I think Cervelli could be had for super cheap if they want a catcher. He would probably jump at the chance to catch JV while rebuilding his value. He gets on base and he still throws well. Then I'd add Gio Gonzalez. The guy is consistent, he only made $2 million last year, and all of his rate stats last year were very consistent with his career line. You add him to the rotation as an innings eater and push James, Peacock, or McCullers to the bullpen. Verlander Greinke Gonzalez Urquidy Peacock It may not be a dominant 3-4-5, but I think they can be solid for cheap and eat innings. That gives you a core for your bullpen of: Osuna Pressly McCullers Smith James |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 17, 2019 9:29:01 GMT -6
Looking at what still available on the market, I'm hoping the Astros sign Betances and Chirinos As far as starting pitching, it is slim pickings. Maybe Julio Teheran, he's good for about a 175 innings...I am hoping 2 years/22M with a 3rd year team option of $15M.... How the market is going, I don't that offer would be sufficient. And see what is going on with Tajuan Walker Fliers - Homer Bailey, Shelby Miller, Adam Conley...these pitchers might be had for next to nothing. middle relief, occasional start pitchers. I think Cervelli could be had for super cheap if they want a catcher. He would probably jump at the chance to catch JV while rebuilding his value. He gets on base and he still throws well. Then I'd add Gio Gonzalez. The guy is consistent, he only made $2 million last year, and all of his rate stats last year were very consistent with his career line. You add him to the rotation as an innings eater and push James, Peacock, or McCullers to the bullpen. Verlander Greinke Gonzalez Urquidy Peacock It may not be a dominant 3-4-5, but I think they can be solid for cheap and eat innings. That gives you a core for your bullpen of: Osuna Pressly McCullers Smith James I think Cervelli said last year he didn't want to catch any more... He's tired of all the injuries |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 17, 2019 9:32:26 GMT -6
Yeah it's definitely been a better offseason for the league this year. Well since the Astros are in standby mode right now, if signings are going on, I hope the other teams are overspending. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 17, 2019 9:36:39 GMT -6
Looking at what still available on the market, I'm hoping the Astros sign Betances and Chirinos As far as starting pitching, it is slim pickings. Maybe Julio Teheran, he's good for about a 175 innings...I am hoping 2 years/22M with a 3rd year team option of $15M.... How the market is going, I don't that offer would be sufficient. And see what is going on with Tajuan Walker Fliers - Homer Bailey, Shelby Miller, Adam Conley...these pitchers might be had for next to nothing. middle relief, occasional start pitchers. I think Cervelli could be had for super cheap if they want a catcher. He would probably jump at the chance to catch JV while rebuilding his value. He gets on base and he still throws well. Then I'd add Gio Gonzalez. The guy is consistent, he only made $2 million last year, and all of his rate stats last year were very consistent with his career line. You add him to the rotation as an innings eater and push James, Peacock, or McCullers to the bullpen. Verlander Greinke Gonzalez Urquidy Peacock It may not be a dominant 3-4-5, but I think they can be solid for cheap and eat innings. That gives you a core for your bullpen of: Osuna Pressly McCullers Smith James Rather have Teheran, but if GG will sign for way less, sure. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 17, 2019 9:37:43 GMT -6
I think Cervelli could be had for super cheap if they want a catcher. He would probably jump at the chance to catch JV while rebuilding his value. He gets on base and he still throws well. Then I'd add Gio Gonzalez. The guy is consistent, he only made $2 million last year, and all of his rate stats last year were very consistent with his career line. You add him to the rotation as an innings eater and push James, Peacock, or McCullers to the bullpen. Verlander Greinke Gonzalez Urquidy Peacock It may not be a dominant 3-4-5, but I think they can be solid for cheap and eat innings. That gives you a core for your bullpen of: Osuna Pressly McCullers Smith James I think Cervelli said last year he didn't want to catch any more... He's tired of all the injuries He went back on that and said he still would. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 17, 2019 9:38:22 GMT -6
I think Cervelli could be had for super cheap if they want a catcher. He would probably jump at the chance to catch JV while rebuilding his value. He gets on base and he still throws well. Then I'd add Gio Gonzalez. The guy is consistent, he only made $2 million last year, and all of his rate stats last year were very consistent with his career line. You add him to the rotation as an innings eater and push James, Peacock, or McCullers to the bullpen. Verlander Greinke Gonzalez Urquidy Peacock It may not be a dominant 3-4-5, but I think they can be solid for cheap and eat innings. That gives you a core for your bullpen of: Osuna Pressly McCullers Smith James Rather have Teheran, but if GG will sign for way less, sure. I think GG could be had for 1-year $3 million. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 17, 2019 9:39:27 GMT -6
I think Cervelli said last year he didn't want to catch any more... He's tired of all the injuries He went back on that and said he still would. Rather not have a catcher with doubts. First little ailment and he can just totally change his mind again |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 17, 2019 9:40:40 GMT -6
Rather have Teheran, but if GG will sign for way less, sure. I think GG could be had for 1-year $3 million. Well if that's all what it takes, I hope Luhnow would sign him. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 17, 2019 9:41:16 GMT -6
He went back on that and said he still would. Rather not have a catcher with doubts. First little ailment and he can just totally change his mind again He'd be cheap. It would give us time to further assess Stubbs. Again, I don't believe we should be spending much money on catchers at the moment. If they were to get a catcher, I would prefer it be somebody with years of control through trade. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 17, 2019 9:48:44 GMT -6
Rather not have a catcher with doubts. First little ailment and he can just totally change his mind again He'd be cheap. It would give us time to further assess Stubbs. Again, I don't believe we should be spending much money on catchers at the moment. If they were to get a catcher, I would prefer it be somebody with years of control through trade. I might change my stance on Correa for Contreras... At first I was against it, because I wanted to go after pitching....but I rather not lose the opportunity addressing a need. I am thinking Correa's value is higher right now cuz he's healthy. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 17, 2019 9:52:15 GMT -6
He'd be cheap. It would give us time to further assess Stubbs. Again, I don't believe we should be spending much money on catchers at the moment. If they were to get a catcher, I would prefer it be somebody with years of control through trade. I might change my stance on Correa for Contreras... At first I was against it, because I wanted to go after pitching....but I rather not lose the opportunity addressing a need. I am thinking Correa's value is higher right now cuz he's healthy. I would do that swap right now. Bregman-Diaz/Toro-Contreras > Bregman-Correa-Stubbs |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 17, 2019 9:54:29 GMT -6
I might change my stance on Correa for Contreras... At first I was against it, because I wanted to go after pitching....but I rather not lose the opportunity addressing a need. I am thinking Correa's value is higher right now cuz he's healthy. I would do that swap right now. Bregman-Diaz/Toro-Contreras > Bregman-Correa-Stubbs I agree...but does it beat: Bregman, Correa, Chirinos...well probably, given Correa's susceptibility to injury |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 17, 2019 9:56:08 GMT -6
I might change my stance on Correa for Contreras... At first I was against it, because I wanted to go after pitching....but I rather not lose the opportunity addressing a need. I am thinking Correa's value is higher right now cuz he's healthy. I would do that swap right now. Bregman-Diaz/Toro-Contreras > Bregman-Correa-Stubbs The very odd thing is that the Astros have been reported tryouts tubs at other Enfield positions, and possibly outfield. Did I miss something, when did we sign another catcher? |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 17, 2019 10:08:52 GMT -6
It's customary for Hinch to want the roster to be versatile defensively
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 17, 2019 10:20:19 GMT -6
It's customary for Hinch to want the roster to be versatile defensively Yeah, but you don’t want the proverbial jack of all trades/master of none. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 17, 2019 10:22:54 GMT -6
Wish we could trade for Fiers and sit him at Rookie ball the next 20 years. I had rather him have to bat against us and get nailed by a Verlander or James fastball........in the mouth. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 17, 2019 10:24:12 GMT -6
It's customary for Hinch to want the roster to be versatile defensively Yeah, but you don’t want the proverbial jack of all trades/master of none. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 17, 2019 10:51:18 GMT -6
Yeah, but you don’t want the proverbial jack of all trades/master of none. Biggio was an all-star catcher...He was moved to second base to save wear and tear on his body,especially his legs. He was moved to the OF when the acquired Jeff Kent. Had he remained as a catcher, his career may hsve been shortened and he may not be in the HOF. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 17, 2019 11:07:33 GMT -6
Biggio didn't make it as a catcher and Stubbs is smaller than Bidge. They're just being sensible Biggio was an all-star catcher...He was moved to second base to save wear and tear on his body,especially his legs. He was moved to the OF when the acquired Jeff Kent. Had he remained as a catcher, his career may hsve been shortened and he may not be in the HOF. Eventually someone like Jose Abreu will come barreling home and you wonder if Garrett has the size to defend against a collision like that Catcher is not unlike NFL quarterback in that you have to have the size to withstand getting knocked around
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Post by Saint on Dec 17, 2019 11:11:30 GMT -6
I would do that swap right now. Bregman-Diaz/Toro-Contreras > Bregman-Correa-Stubbs I agree...but does it beat: Bregman, Correa, Chirinos...well probably, given Correa's susceptibility to injury Yes. Correa can't stay healthy and Chirinos is a 35 year old catcher. How much longer can he be effective? Plus Contreras is under control for three more years. Not that it matters. I don't think that deal has even been discussed outside of fans dreaming. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 17, 2019 11:12:06 GMT -6
I would do that swap right now. Bregman-Diaz/Toro-Contreras > Bregman-Correa-Stubbs The very odd thing is that the Astros have been reported tryouts tubs at other Enfield positions, and possibly outfield. Did I miss something, when did we sign another catcher? No idea. Maybe they don't think he has the durability to be a catcher? |
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Post by Saint on Dec 17, 2019 11:14:29 GMT -6
Yeah, but you don’t want the proverbial jack of all trades/master of none. Biggio could have made it as a catcher for another decade or so, imo. He was just too good of an offensive player to shorten his career with potential knee issues. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 17, 2019 11:18:59 GMT -6
Biggio didn't make it as a catcher and Stubbs is smaller than Bidge. They're just being sensible Biggio could have made it as a catcher for another decade or so, imo. |
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Post by m240 on Dec 17, 2019 11:34:17 GMT -6
Blue sky perfect world for me would be to sign Chirinos, trade Correa for Castillo, and sign Harris and call it good.
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Post by Saint on Dec 17, 2019 11:43:54 GMT -6
Biggio could have made it as a catcher for another decade or so, imo. Imgaine having a 1-2-3 of Lofton-Biggio-Bagwell from 1992-2003. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 17, 2019 12:06:22 GMT -6
Biggio was an all-star catcher...He was moved to second base to save wear and tear on his body,especially his legs. He was moved to the OF when the acquired Jeff Kent. Had he remained as a catcher, his career may hsve been shortened and he may not be in the HOF. Eventually someone like Jose Abreu will come barreling home and you wonder if Garrett has the size to defend against a collision like that Catcher is not unlike NFL quarterback in that you have to have the size to withstand getting knocked around
My memory might be bad,but, I don't recall any major league catcher being as small as Garrett Stubbs......His size is my concern. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 17, 2019 12:09:00 GMT -6
Blue sky perfect world for me would be to sign Chirinos, trade Correa for Castillo, and sign Harris and call it good. you and are in agreement here. Using Correa to get Castillo would be a great move. I have been for re-signing Chirinos all along. I don't think they plan to sign Harris as they expect it to be too costly for what he does for the team. That is probably why they re-signed Joe Smith. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 17, 2019 12:26:17 GMT -6
I would do that swap right now. Bregman-Diaz/Toro-Contreras > Bregman-Correa-Stubbs The very odd thing is that the Astros have been reported tryouts tubs at other Enfield positions, and possibly outfield. Did I miss something, when did we sign another catcher? Dear Mushmouf, voice-to-text doesn't work for you. If you have any self-esteem left, please stop. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 12:38:36 GMT -6
The very odd thing is that the Astros have been reported tryouts tubs at other Enfield positions, and possibly outfield. Did I miss something, when did we sign another catcher? Dear Mushmouf, voice-to-text doesn't work for you. If you have any self-esteem left, please stop. I thought he was lampooning Nathan. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 17, 2019 12:56:54 GMT -6
The very odd thing is that the Astros have been reported tryouts tubs at other Enfield positions, and possibly outfield. Did I miss something, when did we sign another catcher? Dear Mushmouf, voice-to-text doesn't work for you. If you have any self-esteem left, please stop. I have been your sidekick and have been banned. Therefore, all s-e is gone. |
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