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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 3, 2020 12:05:00 GMT -6
The lux tax needs to be abolished. If a team's owner can't afford to keep up with his peers, he needs to sell his team. I hate socialism.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 3, 2020 13:56:57 GMT -6
If they let Springer go, it’s a bad look for the organization. Verlander is great and all, but you can’t say he’s more worth the money than a star like Springer who’s been raking for the team for six seasons. If we're going to face some hard truths with Springer, the guy has only stayed healthy for a full season once (and missed 40 games last year), and he'll be on the wrong side of 30 as a free agent. He's only averaged 15 more games a season than Correa and we blast Correa constantly. So a 31 year old with a somewhat shaky health history isn't exactly somebody we need to throw $200 million at this offseason, imo. (Unless the team magically doesn't care about luxuray tax penalties.) As a fan, I want him. But from a business standpoint, we can make other moves with the money he would require that would be more beneficial, I'd expect. I get what you’re saying, but Springer was drafted 11th with very little fanfare, and Correa was drafted first overall with comparisons to A-Rod. They do get injured, but Springer literally willed us to a championship. He also didn’t hurt himself getting a massage. If they had a similarly productive alternative to George, so be it. However, they can’t seem to spend the money nor do they want to compete with others to bid on equivalent FA options. The only option seems to be a trade if they don’t have the money. If a deal isn’t made by Spring Training, it needs to be done. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 3, 2020 13:58:03 GMT -6
The lux tax needs to be abolished. If a team's owner can't afford to keep up with his peers, he needs to sell his team. I hate socialism. Didn’t Crane borrow from quite a few people to buy the team? |
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Post by Saint on Jan 3, 2020 14:08:14 GMT -6
If we're going to face some hard truths with Springer, the guy has only stayed healthy for a full season once (and missed 40 games last year), and he'll be on the wrong side of 30 as a free agent. He's only averaged 15 more games a season than Correa and we blast Correa constantly. So a 31 year old with a somewhat shaky health history isn't exactly somebody we need to throw $200 million at this offseason, imo. (Unless the team magically doesn't care about luxuray tax penalties.) As a fan, I want him. But from a business standpoint, we can make other moves with the money he would require that would be more beneficial, I'd expect. I get what you’re saying, but Springer was drafted 11th with very little fanfare, and Correa was drafted first overall with comparisons to A-Rod. They do get injured, but Springer literally willed us to a championship. He also didn’t hurt himself getting a massage. If they had a similarly productive alternative to George, so be it. However, they can’t seem to spend the money nor do they want to compete with others to bid on equivalent FA options. The only option seems to be a trade if they don’t have the money. If a deal isn’t made by Spring Training, it needs to be done. I'm not sure what it matters when they were drafted or how they got hurt. Production is production (or lack thereof). Yearly averages: Springer: 124 Games 27 HR 71 RBI 88 Runs 131 OPS+ 4.1 WAR Correa: 109 Games 20 HR 74 RBI 62 Runs 129 OPS+ 4.2 WAR There's not a lot of difference there. In any case, we'll likely lose out on some draft picks this next draft due to whatever punishment, so we have two choices, in my opinion: 1. Realize we're not in contention and trade him at the deadline. 2. Stay in contention and make another postseason run with him. Then make him the QO and get the compensation pick when he takes his $180+ million offer from somebody else. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 3, 2020 17:58:24 GMT -6
I get what you’re saying, but Springer was drafted 11th with very little fanfare, and Correa was drafted first overall with comparisons to A-Rod. They do get injured, but Springer literally willed us to a championship. He also didn’t hurt himself getting a massage. If they had a similarly productive alternative to George, so be it. However, they can’t seem to spend the money nor do they want to compete with others to bid on equivalent FA options. The only option seems to be a trade if they don’t have the money. If a deal isn’t made by Spring Training, it needs to be done. I'm not sure what it matters when they were drafted or how they got hurt. Production is production (or lack thereof). Yearly averages: Springer: 124 Games 27 HR 71 RBI 88 Runs 131 OPS+ 4.1 WAR Correa: 109 Games 20 HR 74 RBI 62 Runs 129 OPS+ 4.2 WAR There's not a lot of difference there. In any case, we'll likely lose out on some draft picks this next draft due to whatever punishment, so we have two choices, in my opinion: 1. Realize we're not in contention and trade him at the deadline. 2. Stay in contention and make another postseason run with him. Then make him the QO and get the compensation pick when he takes his $180+ million offer from somebody else. There are more expectations with certain draft picks, hence boom or bust labels. Anyway, the way I see it with Springer, we may be headed to QO land. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 4, 2020 10:08:41 GMT -6
Last year we should of won it all but our bats went cold at the worst possible time. One could easily make a case for the Nationals pitching but it went deeper than that. So now last year is over and what do we have for this year. I would submit to you that we have just as good a team as we did starting out this year as we did last year.
Last year all of our rookie pitchers failed us until we got down into our 20th ranked prospect. Since it is before Spring training even starts I am choosing to think that Urquidy will continue to drive hitters crazy trying to hit his breaking balls, that our aces will stay that way, that McCullers will nail down 120 good solid innings and that Javier, Ivey, Abreu, and most importantly Whitley will come through for us. I mean really we can not get bit by the same snake again.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 4, 2020 10:58:16 GMT -6
I mean really we can not get bit by the same snake again. Tell that to Cubs fans ca. 2015. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 4, 2020 12:28:31 GMT -6
Harris at this point of his career got a great contract. But the drill with Harris was he could dominate for most of the year, then flame out at season's end. You could blame it on the workload. This past season with the help of Pressly and Osuna it proved with Harris in the right spots was dominating. But the old bug came back to bite when he was overused in the playoffs. I hope he has better success in the Capitol than Sipp did. Eh, he had an excellent overall postseason this last year. One good pitch that barely stayed fair makes it look worse than it was. Even with that he had a great postseason. He came up huge in pressure situations multiple times leading up to Game 7. Outside of a horrible 2015 postseason (his first), he was a very good pitcher in the postseason. Do you know if Harris is going to receive a ring. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 4, 2020 12:31:53 GMT -6
Speaking of Harris when you look at pitchers who have thrown golfer balls to win a WS, you couldn't compare Houston to Philly. Going back to Joe Carter's blast of Mitch "Wild Thing" Williams. If he showed up in Philly the next season, he would have been hanging from the Market Street Bridge.
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Post by m240 on Jan 4, 2020 12:56:16 GMT -6
I mean really we can not get bit by the same snake again. Tell that to Cubs fans ca. 2015. The Cubs are the Cubs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 13:42:46 GMT -6
Tell that to Cubs fans ca. 2015. The Cubs are the Cubs. +10 bonus points for explaining that without an expletive.  |
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Post by Saint on Jan 4, 2020 14:46:55 GMT -6
Padres re-signing Stammen.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 5, 2020 12:45:40 GMT -6
Bump.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 5, 2020 12:50:22 GMT -6
When does spring training start?
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 5, 2020 13:42:39 GMT -6
When does spring training start? It should be a blast going to West Palm this spring. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 5, 2020 14:29:58 GMT -6
When does spring training start? Astros first ST game is February 22. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 5, 2020 21:49:45 GMT -6
Friends, I’m thinking we better enjoy this Astros team in 2020 because there is a very real chance that we will see an entirely new outfield and a new first baseman in 2021. We don’t really have any good near-ML-ready outfielders in the minor leagues who aren’t already on the 40-man roster.
I’m betting that the team is going to give Alvarez a lot of playing time in LF in ST. I see him playing LF more in the regular season as well. I think Taylor Jones will get a lot of innings at 1B in ST. I think he will get a good bit of playing time in LF in addition to playing 1B at AAA in 2020.
If Abraham Toro doesn’t make the OD roster, I think he will play a lot of 1B at AAA this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him catch a few games as well. He played some catcher in college and also in the lower minor leagues. He could add some value by being the emergency catcher for the Astros in a couple years.
With the likelihood that we will lose draft picks as part of our punishment for sign stealing, I really can’t see Luhnow weakening the farm any more than he already has by trading prospects for another outfielder. How does an outfield of Alvarez, Straw and Tucker with Taylor Jones playing 1B in 2021 sound to you?
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 5, 2020 23:44:33 GMT -6
Friends, I’m thinking we better enjoy this Astros team in 2020 because there is a very real chance that we will see an entirely new outfield and a new first baseman in 2021. We don’t really have any good near-ML-ready outfielders in the minor leagues who aren’t already on the 40-man roster. I’m betting that the team is going to give Alvarez a lot of playing time in LF in ST. I see him playing LF more in the regular season as well. I think Taylor Jones will get a lot of innings at 1B in ST. I think he will get a good bit of playing time in LF in addition to playing 1B at AAA in 2020. If Abraham Toro doesn’t make the OD roster, I think he will play a lot of 1B at AAA this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him catch a few games as well. He played some catcher in college and also in the lower minor leagues. He could add some value by being the emergency catcher for the Astros in a couple years. With the likelihood that we will lose draft picks as part of our punishment for sign stealing, I really can’t see Luhnow weakening the farm any more than he already has by trading prospects for another outfielder. How does an outfield of Alvarez, Straw and Tucker with Taylor Jones playing 1B in 2021 sound to you? Yeah, I think this’ll be one of the years you probably shouldn’t buy $3,000 or more worth of furniture from Mattress Mack. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 6, 2020 7:01:56 GMT -6
Friends, I’m thinking we better enjoy this Astros team in 2020 because there is a very real chance that we will see an entirely new outfield and a new first baseman in 2021. We don’t really have any good near-ML-ready outfielders in the minor leagues who aren’t already on the 40-man roster. I’m betting that the team is going to give Alvarez a lot of playing time in LF in ST. I see him playing LF more in the regular season as well. I think Taylor Jones will get a lot of innings at 1B in ST. I think he will get a good bit of playing time in LF in addition to playing 1B at AAA in 2020. If Abraham Toro doesn’t make the OD roster, I think he will play a lot of 1B at AAA this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him catch a few games as well. He played some catcher in college and also in the lower minor leagues. He could add some value by being the emergency catcher for the Astros in a couple years. With the likelihood that we will lose draft picks as part of our punishment for sign stealing, I really can’t see Luhnow weakening the farm any more than he already has by trading prospects for another outfielder. How does an outfield of Alvarez, Straw and Tucker with Taylor Jones playing 1B in 2021 sound to you? On the plus side, those are the positions that are normally the easiest to replace via free agents. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 8:27:29 GMT -6
Friends, I’m thinking we better enjoy this Astros team in 2020 because there is a very real chance that we will see an entirely new outfield and a new first baseman in 2021. We don’t really have any good near-ML-ready outfielders in the minor leagues who aren’t already on the 40-man roster. I’m betting that the team is going to give Alvarez a lot of playing time in LF in ST. I see him playing LF more in the regular season as well. I think Taylor Jones will get a lot of innings at 1B in ST. I think he will get a good bit of playing time in LF in addition to playing 1B at AAA in 2020. If Abraham Toro doesn’t make the OD roster, I think he will play a lot of 1B at AAA this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him catch a few games as well. He played some catcher in college and also in the lower minor leagues. He could add some value by being the emergency catcher for the Astros in a couple years. With the likelihood that we will lose draft picks as part of our punishment for sign stealing, I really can’t see Luhnow weakening the farm any more than he already has by trading prospects for another outfielder. How does an outfield of Alvarez, Straw and Tucker with Taylor Jones playing 1B in 2021 sound to you? Springer might be one of the most clutch post season performers of our generation. His departure might be one the saddest moments for fans here in the past 20 years. I'm banking somehow Luhnow pulls off keeping him, especially if we can jettison Correa, and we sadly lose Brantley ($16M). If we somehow can convert Alvarez to a OF'er as you suggest, then throw the dice and hold our breath with Straw and Tucker...... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 8:30:43 GMT -6
Friends, I’m thinking we better enjoy this Astros team in 2020 because there is a very real chance that we will see an entirely new outfield and a new first baseman in 2021. We don’t really have any good near-ML-ready outfielders in the minor leagues who aren’t already on the 40-man roster. I’m betting that the team is going to give Alvarez a lot of playing time in LF in ST. I see him playing LF more in the regular season as well. I think Taylor Jones will get a lot of innings at 1B in ST. I think he will get a good bit of playing time in LF in addition to playing 1B at AAA in 2020. If Abraham Toro doesn’t make the OD roster, I think he will play a lot of 1B at AAA this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him catch a few games as well. He played some catcher in college and also in the lower minor leagues. He could add some value by being the emergency catcher for the Astros in a couple years. With the likelihood that we will lose draft picks as part of our punishment for sign stealing, I really can’t see Luhnow weakening the farm any more than he already has by trading prospects for another outfielder. How does an outfield of Alvarez, Straw and Tucker with Taylor Jones playing 1B in 2021 sound to you? Yeah, I think this’ll be one of the years you probably shouldn’t buy $3,000 or more worth of furniture from Mattress Mack. Yankees have stacked the deck before and failed. I still place our chances of making the post season (2021) with who we have left at at least 60%. We still should have that much depth. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 6, 2020 8:56:08 GMT -6
I am in agreement with olpapa on our outfield situation for 2021 completely. However if Tucker and Straw both do what we think they will do then all we will need is a left fielder and a first baseman and will have 57 million more per year to sign them. If Alvarez can handle left then we will need a first baseman and an aging dh. We can get that for less than 30.
Springer leaving hurts bad. Brantley leaving hurts bad. But even if Springer won’t sign an extension maybe Brantley will. That would make things easier.
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Post by olpapa on Jan 6, 2020 9:14:03 GMT -6
Friends, I’m thinking we better enjoy this Astros team in 2020 because there is a very real chance that we will see an entirely new outfield and a new first baseman in 2021. We don’t really have any good near-ML-ready outfielders in the minor leagues who aren’t already on the 40-man roster. I’m betting that the team is going to give Alvarez a lot of playing time in LF in ST. I see him playing LF more in the regular season as well. I think Taylor Jones will get a lot of innings at 1B in ST. I think he will get a good bit of playing time in LF in addition to playing 1B at AAA in 2020. If Abraham Toro doesn’t make the OD roster, I think he will play a lot of 1B at AAA this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him catch a few games as well. He played some catcher in college and also in the lower minor leagues. He could add some value by being the emergency catcher for the Astros in a couple years. With the likelihood that we will lose draft picks as part of our punishment for sign stealing, I really can’t see Luhnow weakening the farm any more than he already has by trading prospects for another outfielder. How does an outfield of Alvarez, Straw and Tucker with Taylor Jones playing 1B in 2021 sound to you? Springer might be one of the most clutch post season performers of our generation. His departure might be one the saddest moments for fans here in the past 20 years. I'm banking somehow Luhnow pulls off keeping him, especially if we can jettison Correa, and we sadly lose Brantley ($16M). If we somehow can convert Alvarez to a OF'er as you suggest, then throw the dice and hold our breath with Straw and Tucker...... With the money the team has coming off the books next offseason, there should be plenty room under the luxury tax threshold to sign Springer to a long-term contract next offseason. I think it comes down to what Springer wants. If he wants to stay in Houston, he stays. If not, he’s gone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 9:32:05 GMT -6
Springer might be one of the most clutch post season performers of our generation. His departure might be one the saddest moments for fans here in the past 20 years. I'm banking somehow Luhnow pulls off keeping him, especially if we can jettison Correa, and we sadly lose Brantley ($16M). If we somehow can convert Alvarez to a OF'er as you suggest, then throw the dice and hold our breath with Straw and Tucker...... With the money the team has coming off the books next offseason, there should be plenty room under the luxury tax threshold to sign Springer to a long-term contract next offseason. I think it comes down to what Springer wants. If he wants to stay in Houston, he stays. If not, he’s gone. Do you think 5/$125M would keep him? Man time has flown. He's already 30. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 6, 2020 9:39:14 GMT -6
With the money the team has coming off the books next offseason, there should be plenty room under the luxury tax threshold to sign Springer to a long-term contract next offseason. I think it comes down to what Springer wants. If he wants to stay in Houston, he stays. If not, he’s gone. Do you think 5/$125M would keep him? Man time has flown. He's already 30. Maybe. If you had asked me this after last offseason, I would have said “yes definitely,”..,,, if money and years was the only consideration. The way the owners have thrown money around this offseason makes me wonder. It may take more like 5 years, $140 million. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 6, 2020 16:48:14 GMT -6
Seen a prerty good article talking about Forrest Whitley and a prospe t to the Indians for Mike Clevinger.
Im pretty sure I would drive him to the Airport make sure he gets on the plane safely if it where to be true of a trade.
I do beleive our farm system is better then the Angels.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 17:06:32 GMT -6
Seen a prerty good article talking about Forrest Whitley and a prospe t to the Indians for Mike Clevinger. Im pretty sure I would drive him to the Airport make sure he gets on the plane safely if it where to be true of a trade. I do beleive our farm system is better then the Angels. I guess you are referencing today's Tall's Hill Article. climbingtalshill.com/2020/01/06/astros-trade-pitcher-mike-clevinger-help-rotation/We all have had high hopes for Whitely, but I among others are afraid that this kid may never reach a maturity level to reach his lofty expectations. I am sure the Indians are reading the same reports. Unless they got a magic cattle prod to wake this kid up, any deal, especially with a P with the caliber of Clevinger is a uber-risky endeavor. Intriguing deal, but I am betting it doesn't happen. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 6, 2020 17:11:02 GMT -6
That’s kind of a fall from grace to go from being a top pitching prospect to being traded for another pitcher.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 17:20:53 GMT -6
That’s kind of a fall from grace to go from being a top pitching prospect to being traded for another pitcher. Four years in the minors, and he still isn't MLB ready? If FW was a stock, it would be in free fall right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 17:24:35 GMT -6
Do you think 5/$125M would keep him? Man time has flown. He's already 30. Maybe. If you had asked me this after last offseason, I would have said “yes definitely,”..,,, if money and years was the only consideration. The way the owners have thrown money around this offseason makes me wonder. It may take more like 5 years, $140 million. Maybe just my opinion, but Springer is worth 5/$140M. Give it to him as an extension soon. |
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