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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 6, 2020 17:51:29 GMT -6
Maybe. If you had asked me this after last offseason, I would have said “yes definitely,”..,,, if money and years was the only consideration. The way the owners have thrown money around this offseason makes me wonder. It may take more like 5 years, $140 million. Maybe just my opinion, but Springer is worth 5/$140M. Give it to him as an extension soon. I agree, pay that man his money |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 6, 2020 17:53:53 GMT -6
Maybe just my opinion, but Springer is worth 5/$140M. Give it to him as an extension soon. I agree, pay that man his money Extend Springer at all costs. Whitley will be just fine.... |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 6, 2020 20:12:42 GMT -6
Shorter term team option on more years
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 6, 2020 20:20:25 GMT -6
Shorter term team option on more years ? |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 6, 2020 20:24:25 GMT -6
Maybe. If you had asked me this after last offseason, I would have said “yes definitely,”..,,, if money and years was the only consideration. The way the owners have thrown money around this offseason makes me wonder. It may take more like 5 years, $140 million. Maybe just my opinion, but Springer is worth 5/$140M. Give it to him as an extension soon. I don’t think anything will get done before next offseason. If Roster Resource’s estimate is correct, right now the Astros Luxury Tax Payroll for 2020 sits at $233,476,310. My understanding is that there are 3 Luxury Tax levels..., $208 million, $228 million and $248 million. The penalty increases with each level exceeded. If we can believe the reports, apparently Crane was willing to exceed the $248 million level in 2020 in order to keep Cole. Having missed out on Cole, it now appears that the team hopes to minimize the Luxury Tax hit for 2020 while remaining competitive. That said, with Brantley, Reddick, Gurriel, Springer and Peacock coming off the books next offseason, the estimated Luxury Tax Payroll for 2021 drops to $134,473,810. So if we extended Springer now, the team likely goes over the $248 million Luxury Tax Level for the 2020 season. If we wait until next offseason, we can give Springer 5/$125M or 5/$140M and be well below the $208 million Luxury Tax level in 2021 while avoiding the $248 million level in 2020. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 6, 2020 21:30:52 GMT -6
Maybe just my opinion, but Springer is worth 5/$140M. Give it to him as an extension soon. I don’t think anything will get done before next offseason. If Roster Resource’s estimate is correct, right now the Astros Luxury Tax Payroll for 2020 sits at $233,476,310. My understanding is that there are 3 Luxury Tax levels..., $208 million, $228 million and $248 million. The penalty increases with each level exceeded. If we can believe the reports, apparently Crane was willing to exceed the $248 million level in 2020 in order to keep Cole. Having missed out on Cole, it now appears that the team hopes to minimize the Luxury Tax hit for 2020 while remaining competitive. That said, with Brantley, Reddick, Gurriel, Springer and Peacock coming off the books next offseason, the estimated Luxury Tax Payroll for 2021 drops to $134,473,810. So if we extended Springer now, the team likely goes over the $248 million Luxury Tax Level for the 2020 season. If we wait until next offseason, we can give Springer 5/$125M or 5/$140M and be well below the $208 million Luxury Tax level in 2021 while avoiding the $248 million level in 2020. You be a smartz one, Papa... |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 7, 2020 0:05:28 GMT -6
Seen a prerty good article talking about Forrest Whitley and a prospe t to the Indians for Mike Clevinger. Im pretty sure I would drive him to the Airport make sure he gets on the plane safely if it where to be true of a trade. I do beleive our farm system is better then the Angels. I guess you are referencing today's Tall's Hill Article. climbingtalshill.com/2020/01/06/astros-trade-pitcher-mike-clevinger-help-rotation/We all have had high hopes for Whitely, but I among others are afraid that this kid may never reach a maturity level to reach his lofty expectations. I am sure the Indians are reading the same reports. Unless they got a magic cattle prod to wake this kid up, any deal, especially with a P with the caliber of Clevinger is a uber-risky endeavor. Intriguing deal, but I am betting it doesn't happen. You got to remember Whitley was a high school draft pick. He is a tall lanky guy that just might take a little more time to develop repeating a delivery and arm release slot. Randy Johnson in the beginning of his career was a work in progress that took awhile to develop what he finally was. Granted he has had other problems, but I wouldn't give up on him so easily. |
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Post by churchill on Jan 7, 2020 6:10:57 GMT -6
Seen a prerty good article talking about Forrest Whitley and a prospe t to the Indians for Mike Clevinger. Im pretty sure I would drive him to the Airport make sure he gets on the plane safely if it where to be true of a trade. I do beleive our farm system is better then the Angels. If the Angels decide to include Adell and a prospect in the deal, l doubt Astros could beat the Angels offer. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 7:58:43 GMT -6
Seen a prerty good article talking about Forrest Whitley and a prospe t to the Indians for Mike Clevinger. Im pretty sure I would drive him to the Airport make sure he gets on the plane safely if it where to be true of a trade. I do beleive our farm system is better then the Angels. If the Angels decide to include Adell and a prospect in the deal, l doubt Astros could beat the Angels offer. I am still trying to figure out why Cleveland is wanting to part ways with Clevinger in the first place. It's not like they are out of contention in 2020. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 7, 2020 12:15:11 GMT -6
Good to see Boston cheated.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 7, 2020 12:20:16 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 12:22:07 GMT -6
Good to see Boston cheated. AB fan.... After this mess is sorted out, the simplier point will be to figure out who didn't |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 7, 2020 14:13:57 GMT -6
I wonder if Corch is still kicking. Been a while since he was on here to complain about Daniela.
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Post by marshall on Jan 7, 2020 15:11:53 GMT -6
Daniella may have sent her masseuse over for a visit.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 7, 2020 15:38:19 GMT -6
Shorter term team option on more years ? Springer 3yr max with team option on a 4th and player on a 5th if he makes it to the fifth year |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 7, 2020 15:42:36 GMT -6
Springer 3yr max with team option on a 4th and player on a 5th if he makes it to the fifth year Wishful thinking |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 16:03:59 GMT -6
Springer 3yr max with team option on a 4th and player on a 5th if he makes it to the fifth year Wishful thinking At least Voodoo's optimistic |
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Post by Saint on Jan 7, 2020 16:15:55 GMT -6
Springer 3yr max with team option on a 4th and player on a 5th if he makes it to the fifth year If Josh Donaldson at 34 years of age is going to get a 4-year deal, there is no reason Springer settles for anything less than 5 (and very possibly 6). |
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Post by Saint on Jan 7, 2020 16:25:06 GMT -6
Even though the case can be made that Springer is a little bit of a health risk, he has too much going for him to not get a very good big contract:
1. Arguably the best leadoff hitter in baseball over the last few years.
2. Yearly averages (including partial rookie season): 27 HR 72 RBI 88 Runs 8 SB .849 OPS 131 OPS+
3. Can play CF respectably and will likely age well enough to remain at least good corner OFer for several years.
4. It's probably safe to say at this point that he is on the short list of all-time elite WS players.
I stick by my original thought that, if he performs around where he has the last few years (30 HR 80 RBI 100 Runs), he'll be looking at a 6-year $180 million type deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 16:34:52 GMT -6
Even though the case can be made that Springer is a little bit of a health risk, he has too much going for him to not get a very good big contract: 1. Arguably the best leadoff hitter in baseball over the last few years. 2. Yearly averages (including partial rookie season): 27 HR 72 RBI 88 Runs 8 SB .849 OPS 131 OPS+ 3. Can play CF respectably and will likely age well enough to remain at least good corner OFer for several years. 4. It's probably safe to say at this point that he is on the short list of all-time elite WS players. I stick by my original thought that, if he performs around where he has the last few years (30 HR 80 RBI 100 Runs), he'll be looking at a 6-year $180 million type deal. Seems a tad high. OTOH, beng a clutch post season juggnaunt is worth gold to the "Haves" like teams from NY, LA, or BOS. That is why I am hoping Luhnow / Crane get this done before declaring FA. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 7, 2020 17:04:55 GMT -6
Even though the case can be made that Springer is a little bit of a health risk, he has too much going for him to not get a very good big contract: 1. Arguably the best leadoff hitter in baseball over the last few years. 2. Yearly averages (including partial rookie season): 27 HR 72 RBI 88 Runs 8 SB .849 OPS 131 OPS+ 3. Can play CF respectably and will likely age well enough to remain at least good corner OFer for several years. 4. It's probably safe to say at this point that he is on the short list of all-time elite WS players. I stick by my original thought that, if he performs around where he has the last few years (30 HR 80 RBI 100 Runs), he'll be looking at a 6-year $180 million type deal. Seems a tad high. OTOH, beng a clutch post season juggnaunt is worth gold to the "Haves" like teams from NY, LA, or BOS. That is why I am hoping Luhnow / Crane get this done before declaring FA. If Rendon is getting $35 a year for 7-years, I think Springer can get $30 a year for 6. We'll see. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 7, 2020 18:44:01 GMT -6
I wonder if Corch is still kicking. Been a while since he was on here to complain about Daniela. Should we issue a Silver Alert? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 7, 2020 18:45:26 GMT -6
Seems a tad high. OTOH, beng a clutch post season juggnaunt is worth gold to the "Haves" like teams from NY, LA, or BOS. That is why I am hoping Luhnow / Crane get this done before declaring FA. If Rendon is getting $35 a year for 7-years, I think Springer can get $30 a year for 6. We'll see. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 7, 2020 19:12:08 GMT -6
Then if he wants over 25m you must consider trading him. Its just the way to go. 3yrs is as far as I would go.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 7, 2020 19:17:39 GMT -6
Then if he wants over 25m you must consider trading him. Its just the way to go. 3yrs is as far as I would go. Your job this year is to become George Springer's agent, and have him sign with the Astros for less than 25 million a year, for no more than 3 years. And to give the Astros team options for year 4 and 5. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 21:11:54 GMT -6
Seems a tad high. OTOH, beng a clutch post season juggnaunt is worth gold to the "Haves" like teams from NY, LA, or BOS. That is why I am hoping Luhnow / Crane get this done before declaring FA. If Rendon is getting $35 a year for 7-years, I think Springer can get $30 a year for 6. We'll see. Rendon was lucky and had a super-breakout year at the right time. Regular season numbers are somewhat better than George's. GS- .292- 39- 96 AR- .319- 34- 126 But I agree, $30M on a LT deal seems pretty equitable. Mr. Crane .... are you listening? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 21:14:03 GMT -6
Then if he wants over 25m you must consider trading him. Its just the way to go. 3yrs is as far as I would go. No true Astros fan wants GS traded or be allowed to test the FA market. Where have you been the past 3 years? |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 7, 2020 21:48:12 GMT -6
Chirinos headed back to the Rangers.
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