talshill
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Post by talshill on Jan 11, 2020 20:04:40 GMT -6
Reality is we are screwed once its time on Verlander and Grienke. So the thought would be get some young pitchers in here with high upside Yeah, it's not like we'll have ~ $60 million off the books when those two leave that we could use for a FA pitcher or 3. Oh, wait...
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 11, 2020 20:53:10 GMT -6
Springer will be 31 in September, so I'd have no problem giving him a 5-year deal. Problem is he may want a 7-8 year deal, which gets iffy, and again he may want to play closer to home on the East Coast. They may be low-balling him because they either don't think they can sign him next year or they already know that they won't. I'd absolutely hate to see Springer in a different uniform. The problem I would have with the Astros is if they failed to make him an offer of what he is worth. I don't think $30 million a year is too much and give him at least 5 years. This crap of $175 million in arbitration is asinine.
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Post by Saint on Jan 12, 2020 7:46:09 GMT -6
Let's all be honest here. Springer didn't have an elite level superstar season until last year and he still missed 40 games. He's on the wrong side of 30 and has had one full healthy season.
I like the guy and would prefer to keep him, but he is going to get overpaid. If we were going to be the team to do it, it would have already been done.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 8:26:12 GMT -6
Let's all be honest here. Springer didn't have an elite level superstar season until last year and he still missed 40 games. He's on the wrong side of 30 and has had one full healthy season. I like the guy and would prefer to keep him, but he is going to get overpaid. If we were going to be the team to do it, it would have already been done. Also to be honest, if you have a good enough team to get to the post season (which in any given year is about half the league), don't you need the guys who are clutch, and take you up the ladder? As I said in my last post..... How do you put a price tag on that? Pay the man Crane.
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Post by Saint on Jan 12, 2020 8:34:10 GMT -6
Let's all be honest here. Springer didn't have an elite level superstar season until last year and he still missed 40 games. He's on the wrong side of 30 and has had one full healthy season. I like the guy and would prefer to keep him, but he is going to get overpaid. If we were going to be the team to do it, it would have already been done. Also to be honest, if you have a good enough team to get to the post season (which in any given year is about half the league), don't you need the guys who are clutch, and take you up the ladder? As I said in my last post..... How do you put a price tag on that? Pay the man Crane. Have to get there first. You pay a guy for more than the last month of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 8:50:28 GMT -6
Also to be honest, if you have a good enough team to get to the post season (which in any given year is about half the league), don't you need the guys who are clutch, and take you up the ladder? As I said in my last post..... How do you put a price tag on that? Pay the man Crane. Have to get there first. You pay a guy for more than the last month of the season. You missed my point. IF we were dismantling the team and rebuilding, that would be correct. If you have a playoff caliber team (which we have) , having the post seaspn clutch players is essential, needed, and should be compensated so. Pay the man Crane.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 12, 2020 9:16:48 GMT -6
Let's all be honest here. Springer didn't have an elite level superstar season until last year and he still missed 40 games. He's on the wrong side of 30 and has had one full healthy season. I like the guy and would prefer to keep him, but he is going to get overpaid. If we were going to be the team to do it, it would have already been done. So, without Springer, your outfield is Straw, Tucker, and...?
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 12, 2020 9:17:52 GMT -6
Also to be honest, if you have a good enough team to get to the post season (which in any given year is about half the league), don't you need the guys who are clutch, and take you up the ladder? As I said in my last post..... How do you put a price tag on that? Pay the man Crane. Have to get there first. You pay a guy for more than the last month of the season. True but you also try to brighten our days by telling us that we’re better with Correa in the lineup. How often does that happen?
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 12, 2020 9:55:18 GMT -6
Let's all be honest here. Springer didn't have an elite level superstar season until last year and he still missed 40 games. He's on the wrong side of 30 and has had one full healthy season. I like the guy and would prefer to keep him, but he is going to get overpaid. If we were going to be the team to do it, it would have already been done. So, without Springer, your outfield is Straw, Tucker, and...? Astros re-sign Reddick to a 6YR/90M deal.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 12, 2020 11:16:10 GMT -6
So, without Springer, your outfield is Straw, Tucker, and...? Astros re-sign Reddick to a 6YR/90M deal. I was thinking 7/110
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 12, 2020 11:21:16 GMT -6
Astros re-sign Reddick to a 6YR/90M deal. I was thinking 7/110 That's better, maybe Devo will sign a 5YR/$45M deal.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 12, 2020 11:44:39 GMT -6
That's better, maybe Devo will sign a 5YR/$45M deal. Plus stock in the team.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 12, 2020 12:06:30 GMT -6
That's better, maybe Devo will sign a 5YR/$45M deal. Plus stock in the team. If that is what it takes.
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Post by Saint on Jan 12, 2020 12:20:42 GMT -6
Have to get there first. You pay a guy for more than the last month of the season. You missed my point. IF we were dismantling the team and rebuilding, that would be correct. If you have a playoff caliber team (which we have) , having the post seaspn clutch players is essential, needed, and should be compensated so. Pay the man Crane. Sure, but that amount of money could help a lot of areas. Although for the record I would like Springer back. Just trying to see both sides.
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Post by Saint on Jan 12, 2020 12:21:04 GMT -6
Have to get there first. You pay a guy for more than the last month of the season. True but you also try to brighten our days by telling us that we’re better with Correa in the lineup. How often does that happen? Wat?
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 12, 2020 12:21:23 GMT -6
Altuve - .255 (24-94) - .286 (4-14) LMAO......not much better than a guy being paid for defense. Little Jose was probably the worst on the team with the bases loaded and one of the worst in the league. Stats show that Springer is a much better clutch hitter than Altuve or Bregman. LOL LOL
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Post by Saint on Jan 12, 2020 12:22:24 GMT -6
Altuve - .255 (24-94) - .286 (4-14) LMAO......not much better than a guy being paid for defense. Little Jose was probably the worst on the team with the bases loaded and one of the worst in the league. Stats show that Springer is a much better clutch hitter than Altuve or Bregman. LOL LOL Bases loaded situations are hardly the measure of a player's value.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 12, 2020 12:50:43 GMT -6
That's better, maybe Devo will sign a 5YR/$45M deal. If we move him to the rotation like they say they are.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 12, 2020 12:52:22 GMT -6
Altuve - .255 (24-94) - .286 (4-14) LMAO......not much better than a guy being paid for defense. Little Jose was probably the worst on the team with the bases loaded and one of the worst in the league. Stats show that Springer is a much better clutch hitter than Altuve or Bregman. LOL LOL Bases loaded situations are hardly the measure of a player's value. i disagree. Clutch hitters don't constantly hit into DP's or K with the bases loaded. So, in your view, a guy who does nothing with the bases loaded is as valuable as one who drives in runs?? absurd.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 12, 2020 12:53:12 GMT -6
That's better, maybe Devo will sign a 5YR/$45M deal. If we move him to the rotation like they say they are. Devo's worthless ass should not even be on the roster.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 12, 2020 13:13:44 GMT -6
That's better, maybe Devo will sign a 5YR/$45M deal. If we move him to the rotation like they say they are. Does Verlander or Devo open the season?
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 12, 2020 13:17:50 GMT -6
Altuve - .255 (24-94) - .286 (4-14) LMAO......not much better than a guy being paid for defense. Little Jose was probably the worst on the team with the bases loaded and one of the worst in the league. Stats show that Springer is a much better clutch hitter than Altuve or Bregman. LOL LOL Your dislike for Altuve is unwarranted and not appreciated. He will go down as the best Astro of all time. Now, I hope the Astros do re-sign Springer, but maybe he wants to play elsewhere, and there is not a thing the Astros can do about it....The Astros 2019 team maybe the best Astros team we may ever see.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 12, 2020 13:26:16 GMT -6
Altuve - .255 (24-94) - .286 (4-14) LMAO......not much better than a guy being paid for defense. Little Jose was probably the worst on the team with the bases loaded and one of the worst in the league. Stats show that Springer is a much better clutch hitter than Altuve or Bregman. LOL LOL Your dislike for Altuve is unwarranted and not appreciated. He will go down as the best Astro of all time. Now, I hope the Astros do re-sign Springer, but maybe he wants to play elsewhere, and there is not a thing the Astros can do about it....The Astros 2019 team maybe the best Astros team we may ever see. I do not dislike Altuve. I just happen to think he is not the heart and soul of the team..........Springer is. I like Jose but, unlike most others here, I don't ignore his negatives. He is not perfect. And I don't care if my opinion is appreciated or not. I am not bashing Al;tuve. but, what I said about his numbers can be verified,. He still has a ways to go to displace Craig Biggio as the best Astro of all time. Until another Astros team wins the WS, the 2017 team was the best we have had.,,,,,they won it all. The 2019 team choked and stopped hitting to go along with Hinch's dumbass handling of game 7.
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Post by churchill on Jan 12, 2020 14:06:32 GMT -6
Let's all be honest here. Springer didn't have an elite level superstar season until last year and he still missed 40 games. He's on the wrong side of 30 and has had one full healthy season. I like the guy and would prefer to keep him, but he is going to get overpaid. If we were going to be the team to do it, it would have already been done. Also to be honest, if you have a good enough team to get to the post season ( which in any given year is about half the league), don't you need the guys who are clutch, and take you up the ladder? As I said in my last post..... How do you put a price tag on that? Pay the man Crane. 1/3 of the league
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Post by Saint on Jan 12, 2020 14:14:52 GMT -6
Bases loaded situations are hardly the measure of a player's value. i disagree. Clutch hitters don't constantly hit into DP's or K with the bases loaded. So, in your view, a guy who does nothing with the bases loaded is as valuable as one who drives in runs?? absurd. 🙄 Altuve hits .322 with Men on Base for his career. Don't be stupid.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 12, 2020 15:09:09 GMT -6
If we move him to the rotation like they say they are. Does Verlander or Devo open the season? I think Devo will be 3rd in the rotation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 15:52:25 GMT -6
Also to be honest, if you have a good enough team to get to the post season ( which in any given year is about half the league), don't you need the guys who are clutch, and take you up the ladder? As I said in my last post..... How do you put a price tag on that? Pay the man Crane. 1/3 of the league In referencce to who is typically in contention by say Labor Day, it is a half. Realsitically, like you said it is a third. Even generously as a 1/3, that even strengthens my point more, on the importance and necessity of having clutch post season players.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 12, 2020 15:53:55 GMT -6
Does Verlander or Devo open the season? I think Devo will be 3rd in the rotation. Astros are running a risk by starting Devo as just the 3rd starter....what happens if he gets mad and will not re-sign with the Astros, when they offer him a multi-year deal....
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 12, 2020 15:57:30 GMT -6
I think Devo will be 3rd in the rotation. Astros are running a risk by starting Devo as just the 3rd starter....what happens if he gets mad and will not re-sign with the Astros, when they offer him a multi-year deal.... He could slot ahead of Greinke I suppose.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 12, 2020 16:02:15 GMT -6
i disagree. Clutch hitters don't constantly hit into DP's or K with the bases loaded. So, in your view, a guy who does nothing with the bases loaded is as valuable as one who drives in runs?? absurd. 🙄 Altuve hits .322 with Men on Base for his career. Don't be stupid. Look at his numbers with the bases loaded.....worst among the regulars. Springer is the sparkplug of the team
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