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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 16, 2020 11:40:28 GMT -6
To bad George will go else where next year. No way giving him a 5 plus year deal is smart. Thats just dumb. If you cant read between the lines there will be alot of this starting lineup gone at the end of this upcomming season and none will return. These players loved Hinch and where here just for him and the fact this team was highly competitive. There is no way these guys will be back after this year. You need a fire sale and hope and pray you get some excellent up and comming players. This is and always will be the out come. You may love this team, thinking this will not happen buy no player wants to be held back to a narrative of cheating. The only players that would stay are already signed long term. Why cant people wrap there heads aroind that? If these players loved Hinch so much they wouldn't have put his ass in a sling. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 16, 2020 11:46:00 GMT -6
To bad George will go else where next year. No way giving him a 5 plus year deal is smart. Thats just dumb. If you cant read between the lines there will be alot of this starting lineup gone at the end of this upcomming season and none will return. These players loved Hinch and where here just for him and the fact this team was highly competitive. There is no way these guys will be back after this year. You need a fire sale and hope and pray you get some excellent up and comming players. This is and always will be the out come. You may love this team, thinking this will not happen buy no player wants to be held back to a narrative of cheating. The only players that would stay are already signed long term. Why cant people wrap there heads aroind that? So, they "don't want to be held back to a narrative of cheating"...but it's them who cheated. Quit sniffing glue. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 16, 2020 12:33:41 GMT -6
To bad George will go else where next year. No way giving him a 5 plus year deal is smart. Thats just dumb. If you cant read between the lines there will be alot of this starting lineup gone at the end of this upcomming season and none will return. These players loved Hinch and where here just for him and the fact this team was highly competitive. There is no way these guys will be back after this year. You need a fire sale and hope and pray you get some excellent up and comming players. This is and always will be the out come. You may love this team, thinking this will not happen buy no player wants to be held back to a narrative of cheating. The only players that would stay are already signed long term. Why cant people wrap there heads aroind that? SMH. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 16, 2020 12:37:08 GMT -6
They're not going to have a fire sale when we're projected to be the 3rd best team in all of baseball next year. If we suck and it looks bad heading into 2021...then maybe.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 16, 2020 12:40:03 GMT -6
To bad George will go else where next year. No way giving him a 5 plus year deal is smart. Thats just dumb. If you cant read between the lines there will be alot of this starting lineup gone at the end of this upcomming season and none will return. These players loved Hinch and where here just for him and the fact this team was highly competitive. There is no way these guys will be back after this year. You need a fire sale and hope and pray you get some excellent up and comming players. This is and always will be the out come. You may love this team, thinking this will not happen buy no player wants to be held back to a narrative of cheating. The only players that would stay are already signed long term. Why cant people wrap there heads aroind that? If these players loved Hinch so much they wouldn't have put his ass in a sling. So them all setting at his confrences or telling people on national tv for the years back that he is the best they ever knew and love him dearly. His contra t extention when they were almost in tears. Yea good observation |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 16, 2020 12:41:25 GMT -6
To bad George will go else where next year. No way giving him a 5 plus year deal is smart. Thats just dumb. If you cant read between the lines there will be alot of this starting lineup gone at the end of this upcomming season and none will return. These players loved Hinch and where here just for him and the fact this team was highly competitive. There is no way these guys will be back after this year. You need a fire sale and hope and pray you get some excellent up and comming players. This is and always will be the out come. You may love this team, thinking this will not happen buy no player wants to be held back to a narrative of cheating. The only players that would stay are already signed long term. Why cant people wrap there heads aroind that? So, they "don't want to be held back to a narrative of cheating"...but it's them who cheated. Quit sniffing glue. But whats the best way to get in to the hall? Get away from the team thats tainted. Yuli changed his deal to be a FA next year. Think about it. That 4 unrestricted FAs next year. Hmmm Glue sniffer |
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Post by Saint on Jan 16, 2020 12:41:47 GMT -6
If these players loved Hinch so much they wouldn't have put his ass in a sling. So them all setting at his confrences or telling people on national tv for the years back that he is the best they ever knew and love him dearly. His contra t extention when they were almost in tears. Yea good observation Liking him didn't save him. He got thrown under the bus by at least a couple of the players. And nobody has spoken up to defend him yet either. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 16, 2020 12:41:51 GMT -6
If these players loved Hinch so much they wouldn't have put his ass in a sling. So them all setting at his confrences or telling people on national tv for the years back that he is the best they ever knew and love him dearly. His contra t extention when they were almost in tears. Yea good observation I can only go on what was reported, Hinch gave them the hint of smashing the monitors, what else do you really need to know. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 16, 2020 12:42:25 GMT -6
They're not going to have a fire sale when we're projected to be the 3rd best team in all of baseball next year. If we suck and it looks bad heading into 2021...then maybe. Thats whay im saying at the deadline. If we are behind then fire sale the out goinf FAs |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 16, 2020 12:44:28 GMT -6
So them all setting at his confrences or telling people on national tv for the years back that he is the best they ever knew and love him dearly. His contra t extention when they were almost in tears. Yea good observation I can only go on what was reported, Hinch gave them the hint of smashing the monitors, what else do you really need to know. But we dont know and as fans we dont. That if who and who was not in agreement. It obviously didnt work at home games. There is just coaches named to this thing Beltran is the only Player quote qoute But was he actually a player when towards the end he disnt even play he was on the bench talking to the players pointing out things. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 16, 2020 12:45:48 GMT -6
They're not going to have a fire sale when we're projected to be the 3rd best team in all of baseball next year. If we suck and it looks bad heading into 2021...then maybe. Thats whay im saying at the deadline. If we are behind then fire sale the out goinf FAs Well we have seen teams that have won doing that in the past, the Marlins are a big example. But a lot most likely will be on the performance of how this team gets out of the gate. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 16, 2020 12:59:17 GMT -6
Thats whay im saying at the deadline. If we are behind then fire sale the out goinf FAs Well we have seen teams that have won doing that in the past, the Marlins are a big example. But a lot most likely will be on the performance of how this team gets out of the gate. They way I see it its gonna be tuff for these two years. Everything will be under question. Every single play every single move. They may even under value our guys based on that call. But you cant denie we can still make plays to win. Small ones but big ones for the future. Teams get desperate. IE the Braves. Correa is a perfect fit. SOROKA AMD RILEY for Correa and a small peace easy deal. Sets us up for a couple years. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 16, 2020 13:13:53 GMT -6
Well we have seen teams that have won doing that in the past, the Marlins are a big example. But a lot most likely will be on the performance of how this team gets out of the gate. They way I see it its gonna be tuff for these two years. Everything will be under question. Every single play every single move. They may even under value our guys based on that call. But you cant denie we can still make plays to win. Small ones but big ones for the future. Teams get desperate. IE the Braves. Correa is a perfect fit. SOROKA AMD RILEY for Correa and a small peace easy deal. Sets us up for a couple years. Do you think the Braves would do that deal? |
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Post by Saint on Jan 16, 2020 13:25:25 GMT -6
Nobody is going to trade an all-star caliber pitcher under cheap team control for YEARS for two years of a cheating oft-injured SS.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 16, 2020 13:26:01 GMT -6
Well we have seen teams that have won doing that in the past, the Marlins are a big example. But a lot most likely will be on the performance of how this team gets out of the gate. They way I see it its gonna be tuff for these two years. Everything will be under question. Every single play every single move. They may even under value our guys based on that call. But you cant denie we can still make plays to win. Small ones but big ones for the future. Teams get desperate. IE the Braves. Correa is a perfect fit. SOROKA AMD RILEY for Correa and a small peace easy deal. Sets us up for a couple years. Every player on the Astros lost half of their value when they were proven to be cheaters. Correa had already lost half of his due to being a Mary Sue, so he ain't got much left. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 16, 2020 13:44:42 GMT -6
They way I see it its gonna be tuff for these two years. Everything will be under question. Every single play every single move. They may even under value our guys based on that call. But you cant denie we can still make plays to win. Small ones but big ones for the future. Teams get desperate. IE the Braves. Correa is a perfect fit. SOROKA AMD RILEY for Correa and a small peace easy deal. Sets us up for a couple years. Every player on the Astros lost half of their value when they were proven to be cheaters. Correa had already lost half of his due to being a Mary Sue, so he ain't got much left. But you have to look at the teams who are desperate. The Braves are very desperate. Im not sure what else it would take but the Braves put all there eggs in a basket for Donaldson. They wont get Bryant the Cubs arent stupid. And Arenando is very expensive. So if they add that small price to Correa they would bit. You would have to ask that. Yoi would have to see how desperate that team who wants to win now would do. You may not even be able to get the best value of the players you want. But you can get a said player or two. Not the geoup like everyone else might get. Like 4 to 5 prospects. But you can get two or three. Its not like o this player is no good they know how good he is and can be. They wanna win aswell. They arent stupid. It samantics |
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Post by talshill on Jan 16, 2020 13:51:14 GMT -6
Oi thank we shud trie for Snowdergard and the top 7 Metz prospkekts.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 16, 2020 13:56:53 GMT -6
To bad George will go else where next year. No way giving him a 5 plus year deal is smart. Thats just dumb. If you cant read between the lines there will be alot of this starting lineup gone at the end of this upcomming season and none will return. These players loved Hinch and where here just for him and the fact this team was highly competitive. There is no way these guys will be back after this year. You need a fire sale and hope and pray you get some excellent up and comming players. This is and always will be the out come. You may love this team, thinking this will not happen buy no player wants to be held back to a narrative of cheating. The only players that would stay are already signed long term. Why cant people wrap there heads aroind that? They loved him so much they continued to cheat after he destroyed their equipment and also let him take the fall. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 16, 2020 13:58:01 GMT -6
So, they "don't want to be held back to a narrative of cheating"...but it's them who cheated. Quit sniffing glue. But whats the best way to get in to the hall? Get away from the team thats tainted. Yuli changed his deal to be a FA next year. Think about it. That 4 unrestricted FAs next year. Hmmm Glue sniffer Yuli was always going to be a free agent next year. They just gave him a raise for his final year. |
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Post by talshill on Jan 16, 2020 14:22:00 GMT -6
But whats the best way to get in to the hall? Get away from the team thats tainted. Yuli changed his deal to be a FA next year. Think about it. That 4 unrestricted FAs next year. Hmmm Glue sniffer Yuli was always going to be a free agent next year. They just gave him a raise for his final year. The basic flaw in your argument is that you are using facts and logic. Obviously all the players now want to flee and we will never attract another decent FA because the stain of sign-stealing is a scarlet letter on the franchise. You'd do well to live life on wild suppositions, half-truths, rumor and innuendo. Give in to the dark side. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 16, 2020 14:33:12 GMT -6
But whats the best way to get in to the hall? Get away from the team thats tainted. Yuli changed his deal to be a FA next year. Think about it. That 4 unrestricted FAs next year. Hmmm Glue sniffer Yuli was always going to be a free agent next year. They just gave him a raise for his final year. Pretty sure he had arb years. I may be wrong but I believe Im correct on this. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 16, 2020 14:39:58 GMT -6
Yuli was always going to be a free agent next year. They just gave him a raise for his final year. The basic flaw in your argument is that you are using facts and logic. Obviously all the players now want to flee and we will never attract another decent FA because the stain of sign-stealing is a scarlet letter on the franchise. You'd do well to live life on wild suppositions, half-truths, rumor and innuendo. Give in to the dark side. And this is why go ahead and plan to get young and fast. You gotta start all the way over. If you understand this, no FA will wanna come here and its gonna be very very ruff to rebuild our orginazation from this. Then you would understand get ready and get people who can be ready in a year or less. There are many players out there, that are wasting away. Clint Frazier is one. Jose Martinez was another but to late I guess. Um Austin Riley could be another. Fans loved him at first but kinda down on him. There are atleast three teams that are doing everything they can to win know but guess what? FAs are going a different way. There are trades that can happen at this very moment. But I would only push one. Thats the Braves. I would wait till the deadline on any other one. I would wanna see what Springer does. See if he drives up his value. See what Yuli, Reddick, Grienke and Verlander all do. See what happens. These guys could be lites out, but then again they could be flops. Asking Springer to stay for an Overpriced contract is asinine. He will bolt for FA. At the deadline he Brantley and Reddick would be traded. Get what you can thats young. You might pull off a crazy deal. For the future. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 16, 2020 14:53:06 GMT -6
The basic flaw in your argument is that you are using facts and logic. Obviously all the players now want to flee and we will never attract another decent FA because the stain of sign-stealing is a scarlet letter on the franchise. You'd do well to live life on wild suppositions, half-truths, rumor and innuendo. Give in to the dark side. And this is why go ahead and plan to get young and fast. You gotta start all the way over. If you understand this, no FA will wanna come here and its gonna be very very ruff to rebuild our orginazation from this. Then you would understand get ready and get people who can be ready in a year or less. There are many players out there, that are wasting away. Clint Frazier is one. Jose Martinez was another but to late I guess. Um Austin Riley could be another. Fans loved him at first but kinda down on him. There are atleast three teams that are doing everything they can to win know but guess what? FAs are going a different way. There are trades that can happen at this very moment. But I would only push one. Thats the Braves. I would wait till the deadline on any other one. I would wanna see what Springer does. See if he drives up his value. See what Yuli, Reddick, Grienke and Verlander all do. See what happens. These guys could be lites out, but then again they could be flops. Asking Springer to stay for an Overpriced contract is asinine. He will bolt for FA. At the deadline he Brantley and Reddick would be traded. Get what you can thats young. You might pull off a crazy deal. For the future. It is going to suck if this is where the Stros are heading for a rebuild. As a fan to wait for this team this long to dominate, they had the talent that cheating wasn't necessary. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 16, 2020 14:55:16 GMT -6
Yuli was always going to be a free agent next year. They just gave him a raise for his final year. Pretty sure he had arb years. I may be wrong but I believe Im correct on this.
The new contract is structured as a straight one-year pact, although that doesn’t come with a lesser tax hit as one might think; a person familiar with the contract tells MLBTR that for luxury tax purposes, the termination of the original contract comes with a fee that amounts to an “upcharge” — the size of which covers the gap between his new $8.3MM salary and his previous $9.5MM luxury hit.
The new arrangement provides Gurriel with a slight boost in salary while avoiding any possibility of a contentious hearing that might’ve stemmed from opting into arbitration. The clause stipulating that Gurriel become a free agent at the end of the contract and his previous awards bonus package all carry over to the new deal. He’ll be a free agent next winter."
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Post by talshill on Jan 16, 2020 14:58:57 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 16, 2020 14:59:47 GMT -6
The basic flaw in your argument is that you are using facts and logic. Obviously all the players now want to flee and we will never attract another decent FA because the stain of sign-stealing is a scarlet letter on the franchise. You'd do well to live life on wild suppositions, half-truths, rumor and innuendo. Give in to the dark side. And this is why go ahead and plan to get young and fast. You gotta start all the way over. If you understand this, no FA will wanna come here and its gonna be very very ruff to rebuild our orginazation from this. Are these saintly players also going to turn down lucrative offers to play for Boston Red Sox? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 16, 2020 15:14:31 GMT -6
And this is why go ahead and plan to get young and fast. You gotta start all the way over. If you understand this, no FA will wanna come here and its gonna be very very ruff to rebuild our orginazation from this. Are these saintly players also going to turn down lucrative offers to play for Boston Red Sox? All FAs should try to sign with the Marlins. There is no way they've been trying to cheat the last couple of years... |
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Post by m240 on Jan 16, 2020 16:14:27 GMT -6
Glad we got Springers deal done
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 16, 2020 16:27:27 GMT -6
Glad we got Springers deal done He got a raise. He needs an extension. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 16, 2020 16:38:58 GMT -6
Pretty sure he had arb years. I may be wrong but I believe Im correct on this.
The new contract is structured as a straight one-year pact, although that doesn’t come with a lesser tax hit as one might think; a person familiar with the contract tells MLBTR that for luxury tax purposes, the termination of the original contract comes with a fee that amounts to an “upcharge” — the size of which covers the gap between his new $8.3MM salary and his previous $9.5MM luxury hit.
The new arrangement provides Gurriel with a slight boost in salary while avoiding any possibility of a contentious hearing that might’ve stemmed from opting into arbitration. The clause stipulating that Gurriel become a free agent at the end of the contract and his previous awards bonus package all carry over to the new deal. He’ll be a free agent next winter."
He's gone next year unless we sign him to a new contract. Before this deal. He had arb years. Not anymore. They are voided with this deal. This is a deal Yuli and his agent wanted so he can become a FA and sign some where else and get from out the clout of this scandel. He would love to play with his Brother. Its a known fact. So before this deal his new deal for 1yr. He had 2 to 3 more arbitraional years of contract. There was an article that stated as much, when he signed the initial 5 yr pact. He was a minor league freeagent signee. |
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