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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 28, 2020 10:33:00 GMT -6
Thankfully, we still have Strom and he pay a lot of attention to spin rate. It has worked so why change it. Y'all give Strom a lot of credit when we don't have any idea how much of is it him, and how much of is the information he is being given. It's not always raining in Mudville |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 28, 2020 10:33:29 GMT -6
Y'all give Strom a lot of credit when we don't have any idea how much of is it him, and how much of is the information he is being given. We have evidence that most of the pitchers we sign or trade for make considerable improvement after Strom starts coaching them....Verlander credits him for helping him. What he did with Morton and Cole is there for all to see. I keep hoping we can find another "project" for him. Keuchel did too |
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Post by Saint on Jan 28, 2020 10:34:13 GMT -6
Y'all give Strom a lot of credit when we don't have any idea how much of is it him, and how much of is the information he is being given. We have evidence that most of the pitchers we sign or trade for make considerable improvement after Strom starts coaching them....Verlander credits him for helping him. What he did with Morton and Cole is there for all to see. I keep hoping we can find another "project" for him. But we had Luhnow and his analytics team for that whole time also. Again, we don't know how much is Strom. I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 28, 2020 10:34:18 GMT -6
Both the Reds and Mets have reportedly inquired about Correa this offseason. It looks like the Mets have put themselves a position where they could afford to trade away Lugo. They have a lefty pitcher, David Peterson, in the minors who looks to have the kind of stuff to be successful in Houston. Good control. Excellent groundball out rate. Decent K vs BB rate. What do you think of Baker being the new coach? I think after the 2022 season, I think the Astros would have a new manager. What I don't understand is why the Aatros haven't hired a GM. You hire the GM then the manager. I’m not surprised that Crane picked Baker. The Astros are going to catch hell everywhere they play outside of MMP this season. Baker should have a calming influence on the team. I hope Crane doesn’t hire Bobby Evans for the GM job, but would not be at all surprised if he does. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 28, 2020 10:48:51 GMT -6
We have evidence that most of the pitchers we sign or trade for make considerable improvement after Strom starts coaching them....Verlander credits him for helping him. What he did with Morton and Cole is there for all to see. I keep hoping we can find another "project" for him. But we had Luhnow and his analytics team for that whole time also. Again, we don't know how much is Strom. I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. especially when you consider that Strom wasn't exactly a household name prior to coming to Houston, and doesn't have some huge documented history of doing this anywhere else. And, no explanation for the huge suite of pitchers on our roster who STILL suck after working with this amazing magician of a coach. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 28, 2020 10:54:57 GMT -6
I cannot wait until we get a general manager selected so that we can all see what kind of prospects we will get after we trade Correia and Springer Both the Reds and Mets have reportedly inquired about Correa this offseason. It looks like the Mets have put themselves a position where they could afford to trade away Lugo. They have a lefty pitcher, David Peterson, in the minors who looks to have the kind of stuff to be successful in Houston. Good control. Excellent groundball out rate. Decent K vs BB rate. What I think I know is that we are 22 million over the cap. Correa and Springer are due to make 27 million total plus the 15% for benefits. Anyone we take back in trade will have to be under 5 million in cost to get us under the cap. Remember as part of the deal for being over the cap you drop a round in your compensation award for losing guys. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 28, 2020 10:56:59 GMT -6
But we had Luhnow and his analytics team for that whole time also. Again, we don't know how much is Strom. I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. especially when you consider that Strom wasn't exactly a household name prior to coming to Houston, and doesn't have some huge documented history of doing this anywhere else. And, no explanation for the huge suite of pitchers on our roster who STILL suck after working with this amazing magician of a coach. Some guys just won't change ie Whitley |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 28, 2020 10:58:23 GMT -6
But we had Luhnow and his analytics team for that whole time also. Again, we don't know how much is Strom. I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. especially when you consider that Strom wasn't exactly a household name prior to coming to Houston, and doesn't have some huge documented history of doing this anywhere else. And, no explanation for the huge suite of pitchers on our roster who STILL suck after working with this amazing magician of a coach. His players nicknamed him The Stromfather, show him some respect. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 28, 2020 10:59:45 GMT -6
Both the Reds and Mets have reportedly inquired about Correa this offseason. It looks like the Mets have put themselves a position where they could afford to trade away Lugo. They have a lefty pitcher, David Peterson, in the minors who looks to have the kind of stuff to be successful in Houston. Good control. Excellent groundball out rate. Decent K vs BB rate. What I think I know is that we are 22 million over the cap. Correa and Springer are due to make 27 million total plus the 15% for benefits. Anyone we take back in trade will have to be under 5 million in cost to get us under the cap. Remember as part of the deal for being over the cap you drop a round in your compensation award for losing guys. Lugo is $2 million for 2020. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 28, 2020 11:07:56 GMT -6
What I think I know is that we are 22 million over the cap. Correa and Springer are due to make 27 million total plus the 15% for benefits. Anyone we take back in trade will have to be under 5 million in cost to get us under the cap. Remember as part of the deal for being over the cap you drop a round in your compensation award for losing guys. Lugo is $2 million for 2020. Sold - Correa for Lugo + two prospects |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 28, 2020 11:20:58 GMT -6
Lugo is $2 million for 2020. Sold - Correa for Lugo + two prospects Lugo still has 2 arb years remaining after 2020. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 28, 2020 11:21:03 GMT -6
After thinking about it more...Baker might be here for the shit storm the Astros are about to go through...This might be not so much as for winning, as it is for navigating....He has the personality to repel all the things that the media is going to throw at him...
Now all we need now is a New York reporter to say something racist...and the script is flipped...
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 28, 2020 11:21:59 GMT -6
Sold - Correa for Lugo + two prospects Lugo still has 2 arb years remaining after 2020. I think you and I have been pining for Lugo for sometime now. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 28, 2020 11:35:29 GMT -6
especially when you consider that Strom wasn't exactly a household name prior to coming to Houston, and doesn't have some huge documented history of doing this anywhere else. And, no explanation for the huge suite of pitchers on our roster who STILL suck after working with this amazing magician of a coach. His players nicknamed him The Stromfather, show him some respect. Until he fixes Devo, I don't want to hear it. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 28, 2020 12:03:49 GMT -6
His players nicknamed him The Stromfather, show him some respect. Until he fixes Devo, I don't want to hear it. There is no one are your nursing staff that just can't be fixed? |
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Post by m240 on Jan 28, 2020 12:03:59 GMT -6
His players nicknamed him The Stromfather, show him some respect. Until he fixes Devo, I don't want to hear it. when you wonderlic score is 8 it takes a little longer.  |
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Post by m240 on Jan 28, 2020 12:06:21 GMT -6
Peter Woodfork as GM, now that would be interesting.
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Post by m240 on Jan 28, 2020 12:06:59 GMT -6
He works in the Commissioners office.
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Post by m240 on Jan 28, 2020 12:08:10 GMT -6
Sold - Correa for Lugo + two prospects Lugo still has 2 arb years remaining after 2020. So who do they have as a good CF prospect |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 28, 2020 12:19:19 GMT -6
We have evidence that most of the pitchers we sign or trade for make considerable improvement after Strom starts coaching them....Verlander credits him for helping him. What he did with Morton and Cole is there for all to see. I keep hoping we can find another "project" for him. But we had Luhnow and his analytics team for that whole time also. Again, we don't know how much is Strom. I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. l lost a lot of respect for Luhnow when he lied about not knowing about the sign-stealing scheme of Cora. I think the analytics are a good resources to use, but, they can often be over-rated. Hinch's total use of analytics played a huge role in our game 7 loss to the Nats. There were many times I wished he would have lost his clipboard. He blew game 7 when he pulled Greinke and brought in Harris instead of Cole. We probably would have lost Cole anyway, but, Hinch insulted Cole and guaranteed he would leave when he had him warm ujp and then used Harris instead. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 28, 2020 12:20:48 GMT -6
His players nicknamed him The Stromfather, show him some respect. Until he fixes Devo, I don't want to hear it. The best way to fix Devo is to get rid of him. He is a wast of money and a wasted roster spot. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 28, 2020 12:39:09 GMT -6
Until he fixes Devo, I don't want to hear it. There is no one are your nursing staff that just can't be fixed? Just me. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 28, 2020 12:43:29 GMT -6
But we had Luhnow and his analytics team for that whole time also. Again, we don't know how much is Strom. I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. l lost a lot of respect for Luhnow when he lied about not knowing about the sign-stealing scheme of Cora. I think the analytics are a good resources to use, but, they can often be over-rated. Hinch's total use of analytics played a huge role in our game 7 loss to the Nats. There were many times I wished he would have lost his clipboard. He blew game 7 when he pulled Greinke and brought in Harris instead of Cole. We probably would have lost Cole anyway, but, Hinch insulted Cole and guaranteed he would leave when he had him warm ujp and then used Harris instead. None of that changes the fact that the new analytics-based approach brought by Luhnow turned this franchise around, and that Strom benefitted from it. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 28, 2020 13:32:35 GMT -6
Peter Woodfork as GM, now that would be interesting. From the 2011 MLBTR article on Woodfork: “Peter Woodfork of Major League Baseball has worked for two teams and in the league office, so he knows how to adjust rooting interests on the fly as well as anyone. Woodfork began his MLB career in the impartial MLB offices before moving on to the highly competitive Red Sox and Diamondbacks and back to MLB. The 1999 Harvard graduate became an expert on arbitration and the collective bargaining agreement in the commissioner’s office before joining the Red Sox and moving on to the Diamondbacks. Along the way he continued assisting teams with arbitration and roster management while contributing to player development. Now a senior VP for baseball operations in the commissioner’s office, Woodfork assists all 30 teams.” Sounds like good preparation for a GM position. You would have to believe that he has a working relationship with every FO in MLB. Having been working in the COB office, I’m sure he has credibility with the COB. This might be a shrewd move by Crane. Baker and Woodfork may be just the right pair to lead the team through this mess. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 28, 2020 14:07:16 GMT -6
Lugo still has 2 arb years remaining after 2020. So who do they have as a good CF prospect Not that I can find. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 28, 2020 14:07:49 GMT -6
I am good with it so long as Baker is just in the dugout this year and then moves to some honorary role after that
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Post by m240 on Jan 28, 2020 14:09:08 GMT -6
So who do they have as a good CF prospect Not that I can find. Yes I know gotta get an outfielder from somewhere. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 28, 2020 14:21:56 GMT -6
Yes I know gotta get an outfielder from somewhere. Cincinnati has an abundance of outfielders. Senzel and Winker on the 40-man roster are likely to be traded. They have a LHP in the minors, Nick Lodolo, who looks promising. Maybe we could get Amir Garrett for the bullpen and enforcer? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 28, 2020 14:37:15 GMT -6
l lost a lot of respect for Luhnow when he lied about not knowing about the sign-stealing scheme of Cora. I think the analytics are a good resources to use, but, they can often be over-rated. Hinch's total use of analytics played a huge role in our game 7 loss to the Nats. There were many times I wished he would have lost his clipboard. He blew game 7 when he pulled Greinke and brought in Harris instead of Cole. We probably would have lost Cole anyway, but, Hinch insulted Cole and guaranteed he would leave when he had him warm ujp and then used Harris instead. None of that changes the fact that the new analytics-based approach brought by Luhnow turned this franchise around, and that Strom benefitted from it. there is no way of knowing exactly what analytics brought to the success of the franchise. I am not denying that analytics helped but I think to much credit is given to their usage. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 28, 2020 14:42:50 GMT -6
Yes I know gotta get an outfielder from somewhere. Cincinnati has an abundance of outfielders. Senzel and Winker on the 40-man roster are likely to be traded. They have a LHP in the minors, Nick Lodolo, who looks promising. Maybe we could get Amir Garrett for the bullpen and enforcer? VD can get us all those guys by just trading away Reddick (without eating of his contract) + Martes |
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