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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 2:07:59 GMT -6
Breaking a few hours ago. Gerrit Cole signed by Yankees for nine years totally $324M. Good luck Mr. Cole (But not against us)
IMO... I really thought he would have broken the $40M barrier, but again that was with an shorter duration contract.
In any case $36M annually is not chicken feed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 2:10:14 GMT -6
OOPs sorry Bortaz. Didn't see you report it on the off season thread. Delete if necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 2:13:51 GMT -6
And with a stroke of a pen the balance of power in the AL shifts east.
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2019 8:18:11 GMT -6
This would make beating the Yankees at least one more time next year so much sweeter. Especially after all of the allegations, etc.
Tough order though.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 10:07:29 GMT -6
This would make beating the Yankees at least one more time next year so much sweeter. Especially after all of the allegations, etc. Tough order though. Beating the Yankees could be next to impossible unless we add another quality starter and strengthen the pen. I hope to hear that Cole is "plagued" in NY.......I had rather see an Astro hitter put a line drive in his teeth. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2019 10:19:01 GMT -6
This would make beating the Yankees at least one more time next year so much sweeter. Especially after all of the allegations, etc. Tough order though. Beating the Yankees could be next to impossible unless we add another quality starter and strengthen the pen. I hope to hear that Cole is "plagued" in NY.......I had rather see an Astro hitter put a line drive in his teeth. Pitchers have been a very hit or miss for the NYY the last several years. Lots of ups and downs. It's going to be a big culture change for him. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 10:39:56 GMT -6
Beating the Yankees could be next to impossible unless we add another quality starter and strengthen the pen. I hope to hear that Cole is "plagued" in NY.......I had rather see an Astro hitter put a line drive in his teeth. Pitchers have been a very hit or miss for the NYY the last several years. Lots of ups and downs. It's going to be a big culture change for him. The mob mentality in NY has eaten many FA's. I don't know how the soft spoken Cole will fare in the Lion's den. I have already seen two NY articles that say that if there is not a WS win next year, that it's on him. The expectation game is cruel little monster. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2019 10:42:33 GMT -6
Pitchers have been a very hit or miss for the NYY the last several years. Lots of ups and downs. It's going to be a big culture change for him. The mob mentality in NY has eaten many FA's. I don't know how the soft spoken Cole will fare in the Lion's den. I have already seen two NY articles that say that if there is not a WS win next year, that it's on him. The expectation game is cruel little monster. I'm sure he'll cry all the way home wiping his tears with the $1.09-ish million dollars he'll make each start. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 11, 2019 10:57:00 GMT -6
Most teams would rue those NINE YEARS, but I guess if any team can get through it, the NYY can. Nine years is a LIFETIME for a pitcher.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 11, 2019 11:12:53 GMT -6
Since that overrated Eric Hosmer got nine years on his deal, look for Rendon to ask for the world.
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2019 11:23:42 GMT -6
Since that overrated Eric Hosmer got nine years on his deal, look for Rendon to ask for the world. Supposedly, Rendon doesn't want to play a long time. From what he has hinted at, he is more interested in a shorter term but higher AAV type deal. Maybe something like a 5-year $200 million type deal. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 11, 2019 11:25:04 GMT -6
Pitchers have been a very hit or miss for the NYY the last several years. Lots of ups and downs. It's going to be a big culture change for him. The mob mentality in NY has eaten many FA's. I don't know how the soft spoken Cole will fare in the Lion's den. I have already seen two NY articles that say that if there is not a WS win next year, that it's on him. The expectation game is cruel little monster. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 11, 2019 11:26:52 GMT -6
Since that overrated Eric Hosmer got nine years on his deal, look for Rendon to ask for the world. Supposedly, Rendon doesn't want to play a long time. From what he has hinted at, he is more interested in a shorter term but higher AAV type deal. Maybe something like a 5-year $200 million type deal. I’d be all over that. Astros apparently offered Cole 7 years/$250 million. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 11, 2019 11:27:46 GMT -6
Since that overrated Eric Hosmer got nine years on his deal, look for Rendon to ask for the world. Supposedly, Rendon doesn't want to play a long time. From what he has hinted at, he is more interested in a shorter term but higher AAV type deal. Maybe something like a 5-year $200 million type deal. With needing to re-sign Springer, the Astros would be hard pressed to even offer 1/2 that amount (5/100). |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 11, 2019 11:28:49 GMT -6
Supposedly, Rendon doesn't want to play a long time. From what he has hinted at, he is more interested in a shorter term but higher AAV type deal. Maybe something like a 5-year $200 million type deal. Id be all over that. Astros apparently offered Cole 7 years/$250 million. If the Astros actually offered that, then I am surprised and proud of them. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2019 11:33:15 GMT -6
Id be all over that. Astros apparently offered Cole 7 years/$250 million. If the Astros actually offered that, then I am surprised and proud of them. I was going to say the same thing. Good on Crane if that's really the case. Nobody should blame Crane for not getting him after offering a quarter of billion dollars. And nobody should blame Cole for getting even more than that. More power to him. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 11, 2019 11:34:23 GMT -6
Seventy four million more dollars, and the chance to finish your career playing for a storied franchise? Only a fool would turn that down.
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2019 11:48:26 GMT -6
Seventy four million more dollars, and the chance to finish your career playing for a storied franchise? Only a fool would turn that down. After the taxes it won't be 74 million more, but still more. I don't blame him. And the reputation that the Astros created for themselves over the last couple years probably didn't help, if we're going to be completely honest about it. Head to the biggest stage in baseball where you'll be viewed as a savior (plus make more money with more stability) or take less money and stay with a team with a currently shady reputation? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 11, 2019 12:01:53 GMT -6
Yep, regardless of guilt/innocence, the Astros' reputation will be forever marred by the last couple of years.
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Post by talshill on Dec 11, 2019 12:25:09 GMT -6
If that offer to Cole is real then apparently Crane has no problem going over the cap. Good news. That means Luhnow can spend some money if he needs to, and he will.
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Post by olpapa on Dec 11, 2019 14:42:06 GMT -6
If that offer to Cole is real then apparently Crane has no problem going over the cap. Good news. That means Luhnow can spend some money if he needs to, and he will. Agreed. I’m sure Crane can afford to pay the luxury tax one year. Right now Roster Resource estimates the Astros payroll for luxury tax purposes for 2020 to be just over $231 million. That is without moving any player or signing a FA. With Springer, Peacock, Brantley, Reddick and Gurriel coming off the books at the end of next season, the RR estimate of Astros payroll for luxury tax purposes drops to just under $127 million for 2021. Greinke, Verlander, Osuna, Correa, McCullers and Devenski all come off the books after the 2021 season. That drops the luxury tax payroll estimate for 2022 to approximately $62 million. I see Springer as the only one of the post-2020 season FAs that Luhnow will push hard to re-sign. He may re-sign Peacock if he does well in 2020 and is not too expensive. Of the post-2021 season FAs, I think Luhnow will push hard to re-sign McCullers if he is healthy and productive in 2021. I think Correa will be traded before he becomes a FA. Same goes for Devenski and Osuna. I think Luhnow let’s JV and Greinke walk after 2021. All that said, if Crane is willing to pay the luxury tax in 2020, I think Luhnow can sign Rendon this offseason and re-sign Springer after the 2020 season, if George wants to come back. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 14:55:18 GMT -6
Since that overrated Eric Hosmer got nine years on his deal, look for Rendon to ask for the world. Supposedly, Rendon doesn't want to play a long time. From what he has hinted at, he is more interested in a shorter term but higher AAV type deal. Maybe something like a 5-year $200 million type deal. If Rendon doesn't plan on an extended career,. it would seem even more possible that we could sign him to a five-year deal...$140 million would not be too much to offer him. A lot depends on Rendon wanting to come home. Plus, some of these FA's take into consideration that Texas has no state income tax. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 11, 2019 15:17:55 GMT -6
Supposedly, Rendon doesn't want to play a long time. From what he has hinted at, he is more interested in a shorter term but higher AAV type deal. Maybe something like a 5-year $200 million type deal. If Rendon doesn't plan on an extended career,. it would seem even more possible that we could sign him to a five-year deal...$140 million would not be too much to offer him. A lot depends on Rendon wanting to come home. Plus, some of these FA's take into consideration that Texas has no state income tax. A five-year deal for Rendon would benefit the Astros as well. I would push to sign him before dealing Correa. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 16:00:07 GMT -6
If Rendon doesn't plan on an extended career,. it would seem even more possible that we could sign him to a five-year deal...$140 million would not be too much to offer him. A lot depends on Rendon wanting to come home. Plus, some of these FA's take into consideration that Texas has no state income tax. A five-year deal for Rendon would benefit the Astros as well. I would push to sign him before dealing Correa. I agree, and as soon as he is signed, work on a deal to rid us of Correa and his issues. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 17:34:42 GMT -6
Yep, regardless of guilt/innocence, the Astros' reputation will be forever marred by the last couple of years. I have always been a proponent of the thinking perception is twice as powerful as reality. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 11, 2019 18:28:54 GMT -6
It's nice that we offered Cole 7 yrs/$250M, but the time to do that was last year when he was under contract. Not after he declared free agency
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 19:14:40 GMT -6
I know NYY offered Cole a longer term (2) years, but when you deduct effectively the 8.5% New York income tax, here is how our offer compares. Plus he would have avoided in playing in that NYY Freakshow.
Houston... $35.7 M annually. No state income tax. Not to mention much more favorable real estate expense, and real estate taxes than NY.
NY $36M annually minus 8.5% income tax equals $ 32.94M
Either guess (1) BorA$$ failed ot bring that point up, or (2) math is not a strong suit for Cole, or (3) He knows he'll suck by the late 2020's, and will milk the Stanks Bonilla style at the end.
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 11, 2019 19:14:44 GMT -6
I don't give Crane any credit here. It's a cynical thing to do after the guy took the time to write the city thanking us for his time here
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 19:54:39 GMT -6
I don't give Crane any credit here. It's a cynical thing to do after the guy took the time to write the city thanking us for his time here He is also the guy who showed up wearing a Boras cap and declaring he was no longer an Astro in the clubhouse immediately after game 7 of the WS. We owe him nothing for his half-assed thank you. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 11, 2019 20:01:14 GMT -6
I don't give Crane any credit here. It's a cynical thing to do after the guy took the time to write the city thanking us for his time here He is also the guy who showed up wearing a Boras cap and declaring he was no longer an Astro in the clubhouse immediately after game 7 of the WS. We owe him nothing for his half-assed thank you.
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