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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 14, 2019 16:03:39 GMT -6
Like you should be doing in supporting our team during this crisis? Got it. Hahaha...wut? I think he's trying to say ...  You're either with us or against us, Partner. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 16:08:27 GMT -6
I think he's trying to say ... You're either with us or against us, Partner.Naw, Bortaz is a good guy, and we are having a once a year disagreement. If we are using old western analogies, I think the more apt statement would be..... "Partner.....Either go get a bow, arrow, and feather head dress, and leave..... Or hunker down within these circled wagons." |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 14, 2019 16:36:29 GMT -6
I have a feeling the longer this investigation drags out, the worse it is for us.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 14, 2019 17:09:41 GMT -6
I think you mean they did a 180. Like you should be doing in supporting our team during this crisis? Got it. There’s a difference in supporting the team and supporting the team’s shady practices. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 14, 2019 17:37:34 GMT -6
I have a feeling the longer this investigation drags out, the worse it is for us. I do too, plus I think it's putting a freeze on the free-agent signings |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 15, 2019 14:26:59 GMT -6
I have a feeling the longer this investigation drags out, the worse it is for us. I do too, plus I think it's putting a freeze on the free-agent signings Precisely.., which is why I think Manfred is dragging his feet in spite of his having access to the info obtained from 76,000 emails and 60 interviews. He can punish the team by dragging things out before he issues a ruling and imposes further punishment. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 15, 2019 16:16:32 GMT -6
I do too, plus I think it's putting a freeze on the free-agent signings Precisely.., which is why I think Manfred is dragging his feet in spite of his having access to the info obtained from 76,000 emails and 60 interviews. He can punish the team by dragging things out before he issues a ruling and imposes further punishment. We won't sign anybody until this crap is decided and Manfred the Mullet knows it. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 15, 2019 16:56:47 GMT -6
Precisely.., which is why I think Manfred is dragging his feet in spite of his having access to the info obtained from 76,000 emails and 60 interviews. He can punish the team by dragging things out before he issues a ruling and imposes further punishment. We won't sign anybody until this crap is decided and Manfred the Mullet knows it. He has the Astros by the balls |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 15, 2019 17:36:52 GMT -6
We won't sign anybody until this crap is decided and Manfred the Mullet knows it. He has the Astros by the balls And he will twist them. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 16, 2019 8:08:21 GMT -6
I don't think it really matters. I don't believe, outside of a cursory try at Cole, that we had any intention of going after any big free agents. I still expect a couple small pitcher signings and possibly a trade or two, but nothing world-busting.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 16, 2019 8:10:45 GMT -6
I don't think it really matters. I don't believe, outside of a cursory try at Cole, that we had any intention of going after any big free agents. I still expect a couple small pitcher signings and possibly a trade or two, but nothing world-busting. I think the fans wanting a big splash better grab a Snickers. I think if anything goes down, it’ll be in a trade. I doubt Harris or Smith comes back. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 16, 2019 8:13:02 GMT -6
I don't think it really matters. I don't believe, outside of a cursory try at Cole, that we had any intention of going after any big free agents. I still expect a couple small pitcher signings and possibly a trade or two, but nothing world-busting. I think the fans wanting a big splash better grab a Snickers. I think if anything goes down, it’ll be in a trade. I doubt Harris or Smith comes back. Fans always want a big splash. Most don't realize that we still have an excellent team, but are limited on resources the next couple seasons. I bet we could get Smith back for a reasonable deal. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 16, 2019 8:14:51 GMT -6
I think the fans wanting a big splash better grab a Snickers. I think if anything goes down, it’ll be in a trade. I doubt Harris or Smith comes back. Fans always want a big splash. Most don't realize that we still have an excellent team, but are limited on resources the next couple seasons. I bet we could get Smith back for a reasonable deal. There’s a reason why Luhnow doesn’t stagger contracts. So much payroll goes down the next two off seasons, especially in 2022. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 8:43:29 GMT -6
I don't think it really matters. I don't believe, outside of a cursory try at Cole, that we had any intention of going after any big free agents. I still expect a couple small pitcher signings and possibly a trade or two, but nothing world-busting. I think the fans wanting a big splash better grab a Snickers. I think if anything goes down, it’ll be in a trade. I doubt Harris or Smith comes back. Not knowing the results of the investigation is making the team go into a holding pattern. We are already getting punished. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 16, 2019 9:04:32 GMT -6
I think the fans wanting a big splash better grab a Snickers. I think if anything goes down, it’ll be in a trade. I doubt Harris or Smith comes back. Not knowing the results of the investigation is making the team go into a holding pattern. We are already getting punished. If they somehow manage to get Harris or Smith to come back, make a trade and call it an off-season. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 16, 2019 9:07:38 GMT -6
Not knowing the results of the investigation is making the team go into a holding pattern. We are already getting punished. If they somehow manage to get Harris or Smith to come back, make a trade and call it an off-season. Exactly. Then, after punishment, make a move or two during the season if it seems beneficial. I don't want to see them make desperation moves. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 16, 2019 9:19:25 GMT -6
If they somehow manage to get Harris or Smith to come back, make a trade and call it an off-season. Exactly. Then, after punishment, make a move or two during the season if it seems beneficial. I don't want to see them make desperation moves. When Cole left, it was never going to be AS good but good. No free agent pitcher came close to him. They might as well go to Plan B now that he’s in pinstripes. I still support trading Correa but not as much now that Rendon went to Anaheim. However, for the right return... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 16, 2019 10:41:22 GMT -6
I think the fans wanting a big splash better grab a Snickers. I think if anything goes down, it’ll be in a trade. I doubt Harris or Smith comes back. Not knowing the results of the investigation is making the team go into a holding pattern. We are already getting punished. Exactly.......the team withholds signing FA's and FA';s are skeptical about signing here until this mess is over. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 16, 2019 10:43:09 GMT -6
Not knowing the results of the investigation is making the team go into a holding pattern. We are already getting punished. Exactly.......the team withholds signing FA's and FA';s are skeptical about signing here until this mess is over. On the plus side, they did offer Cole a boatload of money. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 16, 2019 10:43:45 GMT -6
Exactly. Then, after punishment, make a move or two during the season if it seems beneficial. I don't want to see them make desperation moves. When Cole left, it was never going to be AS good but good. No free agent pitcher came close to him. They might as well go to Plan B now that he’s in pinstripes. I still support trading Correa but not as much now that Rendon went to Anaheim. However, for the right return... We could have made Bumgarner a better offer than he got from Arizona, but, I didn't expect it. We may need to focus on bullpen arms, |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 16, 2019 13:22:14 GMT -6
Exactly.......the team withholds signing FA's and FA';s are skeptical about signing here until this mess is over. On the plus side, they did offer Cole a boatload of money. They offered ridiculous amount of money, but the Yankees topped it with ludicrous. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 16, 2019 14:47:45 GMT -6
If the Yankees want to keep guys like Judge, Torres, etc. they'll be in the same boat as us, if not worse, in just a few years.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 16, 2019 15:55:37 GMT -6
If the Yankees want to keep guys like Judge, Torres, etc. they'll be in the same boat as us, if not worse, in just a few years. The absurd revenue they receive from their TV contract lessens the sting of the luxury tax penalty. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 16, 2019 16:00:02 GMT -6
If the Yankees want to keep guys like Judge, Torres, etc. they'll be in the same boat as us, if not worse, in just a few years. The absurd revenue they receive from their TV contract lessens the sting of the luxury tax penalty. Yeah, but they've recently been hesitant to want to go absurd with the luxury tax. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 16, 2019 16:29:09 GMT -6
On the plus side, they did offer Cole a boatload of money. They offered ridiculous amount of money, but the Yankees topped it with ludicrous. The Yankees would have given Cole whatever it took to get him to sign. They have been under fire for not winning a WS and were not going to be outbid for Cole. p We made Cole a good offer that we knew he would decline when it was made |
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Post by Saint on Dec 19, 2019 13:52:09 GMT -6
I didn't see this:
" Should Cole exercise his opt-out provision in the 2024-25 offseason, the Yankees will have the opportunity to void that decision by extending him for an additional year and $36MM, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic further reports (Twitter link).
Cole would need to be willing to walk away from four years and $144MM at age 34 for that clause to be relevant, and the Yankees would likewise need to be willing to pay him a total of $180MM for his age-34 through age-38 seasons to void the opt-out decision. It doesn’t seem particularly likely that the clause will come into play, but in the event that it does, Cole would earn $360MM over a decade-long term with the Yankees."
That's an interesting addition to a contract. I wonder if we'll start seeing more of those type of clauses.
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Post by talshill on Dec 19, 2019 18:32:03 GMT -6
I didn't see this: " Should Cole exercise his opt-out provision in the 2024-25 offseason, the Yankees will have the opportunity to void that decision by extending him for an additional year and $36MM, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic further reports (Twitter link). Cole would need to be willing to walk away from four years and $144MM at age 34 for that clause to be relevant, and the Yankees would likewise need to be willing to pay him a total of $180MM for his age-34 through age-38 seasons to void the opt-out decision. It doesn’t seem particularly likely that the clause will come into play, but in the event that it does, Cole would earn $360MM over a decade-long term with the Yankees." That's an interesting addition to a contract. I wonder if we'll start seeing more of those type of clauses. In the long run, it doesn't matter. This contract will bit NY in the butt in the end. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 19, 2019 18:53:19 GMT -6
I don’t follow the point of an opt-out clause if you can’t opt out immediately.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 20, 2019 7:03:53 GMT -6
I don’t follow the point of an opt-out clause if you can’t opt out immediately. It's weird and convoluted. Cole has the option walk away from the last 4 years of his contract. But the Yankees can void that option by agreeing to a fifth year added to those last four. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 20, 2019 7:05:22 GMT -6
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