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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 11, 2019 23:53:33 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 12, 2019 9:42:17 GMT -6
Pfft. 76,000 emails can be faked! I demand proof.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 10:26:20 GMT -6
Pfft. 76,000 emails can be faked! I demand proof. For some reason, you have wanted the Astros convicted from the beginning.....or at least it sounds like it. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 12, 2019 10:29:26 GMT -6
Pfft. 76,000 emails can be faked! I demand proof. For some reason, you have wanted the Astros convicted from the beginning.....or at least it sounds like it. No, what I wanted was a team that doesn't f***ing cheat. And a fanbase that will admit that the team DID cheat when all indicators are positive. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 10:55:40 GMT -6
For some reason, you have wanted the Astros convicted from the beginning.....or at least it sounds like it. No, what I wanted was a team that doesn't fecking cheat. And a fanbase that will admit that the team DID cheat when all indicators are positive. I’m in the camp that we did it, we should be punished as they see fit, but the other teams also cheat and haven’t gotten caught. The way the pundits act as if the Astros invented cheating is laughable and is also sensationalistic journalism at its finest. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 12, 2019 11:03:21 GMT -6
Get Comey and Hillary on the investigation, case closed.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 14:03:19 GMT -6
For some reason, you have wanted the Astros convicted from the beginning.....or at least it sounds like it. No, what I wanted was a team that doesn't fecking cheat. And a fanbase that will admit that the team DID cheat when all indicators are positive. There is a difference in indicators and hard evidence. We probably did cheat to some extent but that is yet to be proven. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 14:05:29 GMT -6
No, what I wanted was a team that doesn't fecking cheat. And a fanbase that will admit that the team DID cheat when all indicators are positive. I’m in the camp that we did it, we should be punished as they see fit, but the other teams also cheat and haven’t gotten caught. The way the pundits act as if the Astros invented cheating is laughable and is also sensationalistic journalism at its finest. We probably did some of what we are accused of doing. However, I would take anything out of the mouth of Mike Fiers with a grain of salt. Also, this crap about lights and banging on garbage cans is bullshit. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 12, 2019 14:09:45 GMT -6
No, what I wanted was a team that doesn't fecking cheat. And a fanbase that will admit that the team DID cheat when all indicators are positive. There is a difference in indicators and hard evidence. We probably did cheat to some extent but that is yet to be proven. You've made it clear that you're ok with the team being a bunch of amoral cheaters. That's your prerogative. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 14:11:12 GMT -6
I’m in the camp that we did it, we should be punished as they see fit, but the other teams also cheat and haven’t gotten caught. The way the pundits act as if the Astros invented cheating is laughable and is also sensationalistic journalism at its finest. We probably did some of what we are accused of doing. However, I would take anything out of the mouth of Mike Fiers with a grain of salt. Also, this crap about lights and banging on garbage cans is bullshit. I don’t really care who said it. It’s out there and those videos make it seem shady. The Goldstein email was the most damning. I just don’t think you have to have a thing against the Astros to see questionable activity going on here. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 14:32:49 GMT -6
There is a difference in indicators and hard evidence. We probably did cheat to some extent but that is yet to be proven. You've made it clear that you're ok with the team being a bunch of amoral cheaters. That's your prerogative. I am OK with doing what is necesary to win......I am NOT Ok with using cameras placed in the OF to relay signs to the dugout. That has been implied........not proven. I am not going to bash them for doing what most of the hypocrites who are accusing them are doing themselves. Don't tell me we are the only team that could be using cameras and other technological means to gain an advantage whether the advantage is within the rules or not. We made the mistake of winning and beating the big boys who are darlings of the media to do it. If they find us guilty, investigations need to be done regarding activities of the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, etc. To label them a team of "amoral cheaters" is stretching it quite a bit. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 14:34:05 GMT -6
There is a difference in indicators and hard evidence. We probably did cheat to some extent but that is yet to be proven. You've made it clear that you're ok with the team being a bunch of amoral cheaters. That's your prerogative. The court of public opinion has wrongly convicted many innocent people and organizations.. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 12, 2019 14:45:42 GMT -6
For some reason, you have wanted the Astros convicted from the beginning.....or at least it sounds like it. No, what I wanted was a team that doesn't fecking cheat. And a fanbase that will admit that the team DID cheat when all indicators are positive. I'm not gonna get entrenched in one side or the other until the investigation is completed. That said, this walks like a duck and quacks like a duck so ... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 14:56:31 GMT -6
No, what I wanted was a team that doesn't fecking cheat. And a fanbase that will admit that the team DID cheat when all indicators are positive. I'm not gonna get entrenched in one side or the other until the investigation is completed. That said, this walks like a duck and quacks like a duck so ... This scandal brings out the worst in our fanbase. There’s this gang-like mentality of “you’re either with us or against us”. If you think the Astros were cheating, then you’re “not a real fan”, yet when you come back at them by saying they must support cheating, then they angrily refute it. I support and love the team and also think they cheated at least to some degree. This display with the fans hinders that national media respect that they for some reason desperately desire. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2019 16:00:31 GMT -6
You've made it clear that you're ok with the team being a bunch of amoral cheaters. That's your prerogative. I am OK with doing what is necesary to win......I am NOT Ok with using cameras placed in the OF to relay signs to the dugout. That has been implied........not proven. I am not going to bash them for doing what most of the hypocrites who are accusing them are doing themselves. Don't tell me we are the only team that could be using cameras and other technological means to gain an advantage whether the advantage is within the rules or not. We made the mistake of winning and beating the big boys who are darlings of the media to do it. If they find us guilty, investigations need to be done regarding activities of the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, etc. To label them a team of "amoral cheaters" is stretching it quite a bit. I wouldn't think they go after any other teams, it might be too damaging for baseball for them to do so. Clearly put, they're going to make an example of the Astros |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2019 16:01:14 GMT -6
No, what I wanted was a team that doesn't fecking cheat. And a fanbase that will admit that the team DID cheat when all indicators are positive. I'm not gonna get entrenched in one side or the other until the investigation is completed. That said, this walks like a duck and quacks like a duck so ... You better have them in a row. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2019 16:07:50 GMT -6
I am OK with doing what is necesary to win......I am NOT Ok with using cameras placed in the OF to relay signs to the dugout. That has been implied........not proven. I am not going to bash them for doing what most of the hypocrites who are accusing them are doing themselves. Don't tell me we are the only team that could be using cameras and other technological means to gain an advantage whether the advantage is within the rules or not. We made the mistake of winning and beating the big boys who are darlings of the media to do it. If they find us guilty, investigations need to be done regarding activities of the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, etc. To label them a team of "amoral cheaters" is stretching it quite a bit. I wouldn't think they go after any other teams, it might be too damaging for baseball for them to do so. Clearly put, they're going to make an example of the Astros I expect them to make an example of the Astros......One problem I have with this is if this were the Yankees,the "investigation" would turn up "inconclusive evidence" and the matter would be dropped. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2019 16:18:33 GMT -6
I wouldn't think they go after any other teams, it might be too damaging for baseball for them to do so. Clearly put, they're going to make an example of the Astros I expect them to make an example of the Astros......One problem I have with this is if this were the Yankees,the "investigation" would turn up "inconclusive evidence" and the matter would be dropped. More or less, Manfred will lay the hammer on the Astros, and say in a closed meeting: To everyone else here, you better cover your tracks and stop now. MLB can't afford the image that you are a bunch of cheaters. |
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Post by m240 on Dec 12, 2019 16:24:51 GMT -6
I expect them to make an example of the Astros......One problem I have with this is if this were the Yankees,the "investigation" would turn up "inconclusive evidence" and the matter would be dropped. More or less, Manfred will lay the hammer on the Astros, and say in a closed meeting: To everyone else here, you better cover your tracks and stop now. MLB can't afford the image that you are a bunch of cheaters. All I have to say is that if the Astros cheated they did a piss poor job of using the information. Just look at home and away stats. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 16:31:04 GMT -6
More or less, Manfred will lay the hammer on the Astros, and say in a closed meeting: To everyone else here, you better cover your tracks and stop now. MLB can't afford the image that you are a bunch of cheaters. All I have to say is that if the Astros cheated they did a piss poor job of using the information. Just look at home and away stats. And the god-awful performance at home against the Nats. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 12, 2019 16:53:05 GMT -6
All I have to say is that if the Astros cheated they did a piss poor job of using the information. Just look at home and away stats. And the god-awful performance at home against the Nats. The Nats had the Astros figured out. Their catcher still flashed the signs as usual to the pitcher. But when it was important, the signs were fakes and the catcher sent the real info on which pitch to throw to the pitcher's buzzing bandaid. Nats cheating > Astros cheating. [/ conspiracy theory] |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2019 17:47:44 GMT -6
And the god-awful performance at home against the Nats. The Nats had the Astros figured out. Their catcher still flashed the signs as usual to the pitcher. But when it was important, the signs were fakes and the catcher sent the real info on which pitch to throw to the pitcher's buzzing bandaid. Nats cheating > Astros cheating. [/ conspiracy theory] We got outcheated |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 17:53:02 GMT -6
And the god-awful performance at home against the Nats. The Nats had the Astros figured out. Their catcher still flashed the signs as usual to the pitcher. But when it was important, the signs were fakes and the catcher sent the real info on which pitch to throw to the pitcher's buzzing bandaid. Nats cheating > Astros cheating. [/ conspiracy theory] I’ve always contended that other teams cheat too so I’m on board with your grassy knoll theory. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 12, 2019 17:53:28 GMT -6
The Nats had the Astros figured out. Their catcher still flashed the signs as usual to the pitcher. But when it was important, the signs were fakes and the catcher sent the real info on which pitch to throw to the pitcher's buzzing bandaid. Nats cheating > Astros cheating. [/ conspiracy theory] We got outcheated And now we are three. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 12, 2019 19:07:57 GMT -6
The Nats had the Astros figured out. Their catcher still flashed the signs as usual to the pitcher. But when it was important, the signs were fakes and the catcher sent the real info on which pitch to throw to the pitcher's buzzing bandaid. Nats cheating > Astros cheating. [/ conspiracy theory] We got outcheated That’s soom cheet right thar! |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 12, 2019 19:40:00 GMT -6
And the god-awful performance at home against the Nats. The Nats had the Astros figured out. Their catcher still flashed the signs as usual to the pitcher. But when it was important, the signs were fakes and the catcher sent the real info on which pitch to throw to the pitcher's buzzing bandaid. Nats cheating > Astros cheating. [/ conspiracy theory] That is a good point. The catcher could have changed the indicator sequence and each hitter coming up throughout the order. Also what I used to do with my catcher, using the body parts such as touching the knee, chest protector, left, right, center, to the top or bottom, of what the pitch will be. Then let the catcher throw all the number sequence he wants, meaning nothing, but a game of Italian fingers. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 12, 2019 20:59:01 GMT -6
The Nats had the Astros figured out. Their catcher still flashed the signs as usual to the pitcher. But when it was important, the signs were fakes and the catcher sent the real info on which pitch to throw to the pitcher's buzzing bandaid. Nats cheating > Astros cheating. [/ conspiracy theory] That is a good point. The catcher could have changed the indicator sequence and each hitter coming up throughout the order. Also what I used to do with my catcher, using the body parts such as touching the knee, chest protector, left, right, center, to the top or bottom, of what the pitch will be. Then let the catcher throw all the number sequence he wants, meaning nothing, but a game of Italian fingers. My favorite Italian finger is the no-finger finger.  aka - Bras d'honneur, aka - Chinga tu madre. It's like the played-out American finger on steroids.
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 12, 2019 21:17:30 GMT -6
That is a good point. The catcher could have changed the indicator sequence and each hitter coming up throughout the order. Also what I used to do with my catcher, using the body parts such as touching the knee, chest protector, left, right, center, to the top or bottom, of what the pitch will be. Then let the catcher throw all the number sequence he wants, meaning nothing, but a game of Italian fingers. My favorite Italian finger is the no-finger finger. aka - Bras d'honneur, aka - Chinga tu madre. It's like the played-out American finger on steroids.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:56:15 GMT -6
For some reason, you have wanted the Astros convicted from the beginning.....or at least it sounds like it. No, what I wanted was a team that doesn't fecking cheat. And a fanbase that will admit that the team DID cheat when all indicators are positive. Whoa Whoa Whoa there..... Some facts...... (1) I never denied that the possibiliy exists that the Astros cheated. All I asked is that hearsay, innunendo, and rumour be shelved unitl some facts come out of the investigation. Allowng fans of other teams and media markets to burn us at the stake just in the court of public opinion, f'ing sucks. I want dirty laundry from all 30 teams aired, once and for all. Let the chips fly where they may. (2) Cheating and espionage are as old as baseball itself. Be it corked bats, roids, spit balls, stealing signs, sharpened spikes, midgets, and on and on. Is it right? Of course not. But for some in our fan base to be indifferent towards the league making an example to us, or not wanting an equitable investigation and subsequent justice for all 30 teams...... I have to question the true loyalty of fans like that who are basing their judgement on the accusations of that son of a bitch Fellatio Faced Fiers. The man was denied a spot on the WS roster in '17, and he publically was irrated about it. Any Motives? (3) There is at least one 2017 player who has gone on record that he absolutly saw no evidence of elaborate steal signing. And I have to ask, ..... How the F do you hide that? I am really sick of this shit. Let's not give the mf'ers any cover trying to destroy our team. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 13, 2019 0:46:34 GMT -6
not wanting an equitable investigation and subsequent justice for all 30 teams. If there are any credible accusations made against any of the other 30 teams, then of course those specific teams should be investigated. But expecting in-depth investigations of ALL teams, regardless of whether or not accusations have been made, doesn't make sense. |
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