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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 13, 2019 15:44:14 GMT -6
I want to meet the idiot who dreamed up the new rule that says a reliever must face 3 hitters before he can be replaced.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 13, 2019 16:30:20 GMT -6
I want to meet the idiot who dreamed up the new rule that says a reliever must face 3 hitters before he can be replaced. Manfred is ruining baseball. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 13, 2019 16:44:38 GMT -6
I want to meet the idiot who dreamed up the new rule that says a reliever must face 3 hitters before he can be replaced. Manfred is ruining baseball. Yes, he is........the limit on mound conferences is bad enough but this is a joke and should be voted out. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 13, 2019 16:53:07 GMT -6
Manfred is ruining baseball. Yes, he is........the limit on mound conferences is bad enough but this is a joke and should be voted out. How this gets past the Players’ Union is beyond me. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 13, 2019 17:11:47 GMT -6
I like the rule. Less overmanaging bullpens and drawing games out a ridiculous length.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 17:45:20 GMT -6
I want to meet the idiot who dreamed up the new rule that says a reliever must face 3 hitters before he can be replaced. Manfred is ruining baseball. I'd add past tense to that statement (and add Selig). |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 13, 2019 17:51:55 GMT -6
I like the rule. Less overmanaging bullpens and drawing games out a ridiculous length. They need to stop screwing with the game. I want the game as it was meant to be played and has been played before this idiot, Manfred, came along...We don't need speed up rules.......let the managers manage and use pitching as they see fit. I am fine with the pitcher being pulled on the second trip to the mound in an inning, I don't like the rule that stops the catcher from going to the mound as he thinks is necessary,. Manfred needs to stay out of it.......he has no baseball background. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 13, 2019 17:52:33 GMT -6
Manfred is ruining baseball. I'd add past tense to that statement (and add Selig). Agreed.........Selig was an idiot. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 13, 2019 17:59:17 GMT -6
I like the rule. Less overmanaging bullpens and drawing games out a ridiculous length. Naturally. All boys whose nuts haven't dropped fully like to take the opposite position to everyone else. It's human nature. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 13, 2019 18:02:29 GMT -6
Mound visit limitations need to go away, in this age of Astros sign stealing.
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Post by Saint on Dec 13, 2019 18:08:46 GMT -6
I like the rule. Less overmanaging bullpens and drawing games out a ridiculous length. Naturally. All boys whose nuts haven't dropped fully like to take the opposite position to everyone else. It's human nature. That seemed hostile. I grow tired of the changing pitchers 3-4 times an inning. That's not how baseball used to be played. It's boring. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 13, 2019 18:15:08 GMT -6
Naturally. All boys whose nuts haven't dropped fully like to take the opposite position to everyone else. It's human nature. That seemed hostile. I grow tired of the changing pitchers 3-4 times an inning. That's not how baseball used to be played. It's boring. replace "hostile" with "facetious" and you're on the money. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 13, 2019 18:22:49 GMT -6
That seemed hostile. I grow tired of the changing pitchers 3-4 times an inning. That's not how baseball used to be played. It's boring. replace "hostile" with "facetious" and you're on the money. No, I'm Todd. #dadjokes |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 13, 2019 18:28:18 GMT -6
replace "hostile" with "facetious" and you're on the money. No, I'm Todd. #dadjokes We-Todd-did is what you is |
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Post by Saint on Dec 13, 2019 18:58:55 GMT -6
We-Todd-did is what you is Jealous. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 13, 2019 20:51:12 GMT -6
I will volunteer my time to be the Stros coach for the 2020 season.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 13, 2019 21:09:40 GMT -6
Naturally. All boys whose nuts haven't dropped fully like to take the opposite position to everyone else. It's human nature. That seemed hostile. I grow tired of the changing pitchers 3-4 times an inning. That's not how baseball used to be played. It's boring. A ,manager should have the freedom to make pitching changes that he thinks will help his team win the game as many times in an inning or game as he deems necessary. Those who don't llike it or get tired of it can feel free to go take a crap or get something to eat and drink. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 13, 2019 22:07:27 GMT -6
I will volunteer my time to be the Stros coach for the 2020 season. How’d you get the job? Cheaters! |
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Post by Saint on Dec 13, 2019 23:05:06 GMT -6
That seemed hostile. I grow tired of the changing pitchers 3-4 times an inning. That's not how baseball used to be played. It's boring. A ,manager should have the freedom to make pitching changes that he thinks will help his team win the game as many times in an inning or game as he deems necessary. Those who don't llike it or get tired of it can feel free to go take a crap or get something to eat and drink. Boring baseball. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 13, 2019 23:29:37 GMT -6
A ,manager should have the freedom to make pitching changes that he thinks will help his team win the game as many times in an inning or game as he deems necessary. Those who don't llike it or get tired of it can feel free to go take a crap or get something to eat and drink. Boring baseball. It has worked for decades........if you are bored, don't watch........it is the manager's job to try to win games and he should not be restricted by rukes designed to just shorten the game. If he doesn't win, he eventually loses his job and that damn three batter minimum rule is horse shit dreamed up by a commissioner with no baseball background. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 14, 2019 0:29:21 GMT -6
I do not support any measure intended to shorten a baseball game. They're not long enough already.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 14, 2019 5:56:36 GMT -6
People say baseball is so long while completely ignoring the fact that they take timeouts in football just so the kicker has time to sip his Capri Sun before and after he has to step into the field.
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2019 10:31:00 GMT -6
It has worked for decades........if you are bored, don't watch........it is the manager's job to try to win games and he should not be restricted by rukes designed to just shorten the game. If he doesn't win, he eventually loses his job and that damn three batter minimum rule is horse shit dreamed up by a commissioner with no baseball background. No, baseball didn't use to regularly go through 5+ pitchers a game. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 10:42:14 GMT -6
It has worked for decades........if you are bored, don't watch........it is the manager's job to try to win games and he should not be restricted by rukes designed to just shorten the game. If he doesn't win, he eventually loses his job and that damn three batter minimum rule is horse shit dreamed up by a commissioner with no baseball background. No, baseball didn't use to regularly go through 5+ pitchers a game. I am pretty nuetral on this one, except the present regime in COB office has got to stop tweaking this game. They are feckin' idiots. For instance, if they go forward with the "ghost man on second, using the playground analogy", i.e a designated runner at second starting extra inning games........ I will go f'n ballistic. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 14, 2019 10:58:38 GMT -6
I do not support any measure intended to shorten a baseball game. They're not long enough already. My only request is that they let the damn game alone and let it be played as it was intended and the way it has been played for years.......Whenever these geniuses try to tweak it or make some major change, they screw it up. I still think the DH should be implemented in BOTH leagues or done away with completely. We don't need more rule changes.....we don't need balls and strikes called by way of technology. Yes, umpires make mistakes, but, taking more of the human element out of the game is not a good thing. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 14, 2019 11:07:32 GMT -6
It has worked for decades........if you are bored, don't watch........it is the manager's job to try to win games and he should not be restricted by rukes designed to just shorten the game. If he doesn't win, he eventually loses his job and that damn three batter minimum rule is horse shit dreamed up by a commissioner with no baseball background. No, baseball didn't use to regularly go through 5+ pitchers a game. I don't give a damn what they used to do.......We haven't always had set-up men, closers, left-handed specialists, etc. I remember very well when the pitchers weren't a bunch of pampered babies, They wee not praised for working 200 innings a season and have an ERA of 4.00 or more. Most relievers were former starters who were no longer capable of going 6-7 innings. Payers worked for their salaries instead of needing "rest" time on the IL, etc. Only a handful of today's pitchers could have functioned back in they days of Ryan, Carlton, Gibson, Seaver, Koufax, Drysdale, Spahn, and those guys. They didn't care 13 pitchers on the roster in the days when 5 + pitchers were not used, They carried position players because the pitchers were expected to work.....starters were expected to go deep into games and not work 5 innings and turn it over to the pen. We have conditioned today's starters to only work 5-6 innings and then be replaced by a reliever......Analytics and a clipboard didn't make those decisions back in those days. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 14, 2019 14:21:06 GMT -6
It has worked for decades........if you are bored, don't watch........it is the manager's job to try to win games and he should not be restricted by rukes designed to just shorten the game. If he doesn't win, he eventually loses his job and that damn three batter minimum rule is horse shit dreamed up by a commissioner with no baseball background. No, baseball didn't use to regularly go through 5+ pitchers a game. Fair point. It's ludicrous to claim it's "been this way for decades" and ignore the nonsense that's become rampant in everyday games today (which wasn't like that in the '60s). This business of treating every pitch, in every at-bat, in every inning, of every game as if it was being thrown in the ninth inning of game-7 of the World Series is absurd. Catchers running out to the mound, every other pitch. Batters asking for time, multiple times between pitches. Pitchers holding the ball for ridiculous amounts of time with their foot on the pitcher's plate, before actually throwing the pitch. The duration of games was fairly consistent in the '50s, '60s, and '70s. Average time for a nine-inning game was roughly 2:30. But things took a turn for the worse in the '80s and forward. In 2019 the average duration for a nine-inning game was 3:05 and we already had plenty of lame rules in-place in a failed attempt to improve the pace of play! Refer to the column marked Time/9I in this list: www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/misc.shtml
The 3-hitter rule for relief pitchers is wrong-headed and ridiculous. But it doesn't take a rocket surgeon or a brain scientist to understand why MLB is resorting to stupid measures like this. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 14:33:00 GMT -6
It has worked for decades........if you are bored, don't watch........it is the manager's job to try to win games and he should not be restricted by rukes designed to just shorten the game. If he doesn't win, he eventually loses his job and that damn three batter minimum rule is horse shit dreamed up by a commissioner with no baseball background. No, baseball didn't use to regularly go through 5+ pitchers a game. I don't have the data, but I'd bet back in my youth the average start lasted 6-7 innings, where now it is 5-6. That extra inning or two has created a cottage industry of bullpen specialist. OTOH, as we gripe about the time wasted. One thing back then was batters didn't jump in and out of the batters box after every pitch. Now that's an annoying waste of time. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 14, 2019 14:38:27 GMT -6
No, baseball didn't use to regularly go through 5+ pitchers a game. I don't have the data, but I'd bet back in my youth the average start lasted 6-7 innings, where now it is 5-6. That extra inning or two has created a cottage industry of bullpen specialist. OTOH, as we gripe about the time wasted. One thing back then was batters didn't jump in and out of the batters box after every pitch. Now that's an annoying waste of time. Go back as far as I know three innings saves were a norm in the 60's. LaRusa and Anderson were the guys that started pushing the specialists in the 70's. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 14, 2019 14:51:28 GMT -6
No, baseball didn't use to regularly go through 5+ pitchers a game. I don't have the data, but I'd bet back in my youth the average start lasted 6-7 innings, where now it is 5-6. That extra inning or two has created a cottage industry of bullpen specialist. OTOH, as we gripe about the time wasted. One thing back then was batters didn't jump in and out of the batters box after every pitch. Now that's an annoying waste of time. I don't know when your youth was, Catfish, but I picked 1968 (one of my favorites as a Tigers fan) to compare to 2019. In 1968, starting pitchers averaged 6.6 innings and there were 887 Complete Games (out of 3250 total pitcher/games) www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/1968-starter-pitching.shtmlIn 2019 that was down to an average of 5.2 innings for a starter and a mere 45 Complete Games (out of 4858 total pitcher/games) www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2019-starter-pitching.shtml |
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