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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2020 10:21:09 GMT -6
It doesn't make much sense to commit to a manager before a GM. I think they should give Espada the job this year and then make a move, if necessary, once we get a GM in place. Espada is a good man but not what we need as manager at this time. If we are going to hire an inexperienced manager, it needs to be someone with close connections to the Astros.....someone players will respect and fans will support.......that means getting Biggio if possible. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 20, 2020 10:28:17 GMT -6
I don't think that you can necessarily assume that just because a guy was a good player that it will make him a good manager. I wouldn't rush to appoint Biggio (or worse, Bagwell) to that role unless they have demonstrated management ability through, say...a minor league team.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2020 10:51:35 GMT -6
I don't think that you can necessarily assume that just because a guy was a good player that it will make him a good manager. I wouldn't rush to appoint Biggio (or worse, Bagwell) to that role unless they have demonstrated management ability through, say...a minor league team. I don't think Bagwell is managerial material. Biggio, on the other hand, I think should be offered the job if he will accept it. We need a guy the players will respect and the fans will support. We have an image to repair due to Hinch not having the balls to shut down Cora's scheme to steal signs. I am not crying over Hinch being gone and I think Luhnow lied about not knowing this stuff was going on. Losing Luhnow as GM will hurt for awhile. We can get by without Hinch, especially after the way he handed game 7 to the Nationals. |
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Post by talshill on Jan 20, 2020 10:57:40 GMT -6
GM is a much more vital position. There are any number of people who can manage this team to 90+ wins. Hell, I could probably do it. Doesn't take a genius to fill out a lineup card when you have names like Bregman, Altuve, Verlander, etc. to write down. The real test of a manager is keeping the egos/personalities in order. So I'm not much interested in who the manager will be, but I'm very interested in who the GM will be.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 20, 2020 11:20:56 GMT -6
It doesn't make much sense to commit to a manager before a GM. I think they should give Espada the job this year and then make a move, if necessary, once we get a GM in place. I agree....Which team should the Astros try to take their best Assistant GM from? |
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Post by Saint on Jan 20, 2020 11:35:24 GMT -6
It doesn't make much sense to commit to a manager before a GM. I think they should give Espada the job this year and then make a move, if necessary, once we get a GM in place. Espada is a good man but not what we need as manager at this time. If we are going to hire an inexperienced manager, it needs to be someone with close connections to the Astros.....someone players will respect and fans will support.......that means getting Biggio if possible. Espada is already familiar with the players and is well-respected in the game. He knows the approach we've had and has been part of the success we've had the last couple years. Biggio has never coached outside of high school, right? I don't think throwing him into the mix is the right thing to do. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 20, 2020 11:37:43 GMT -6
It doesn't make much sense to commit to a manager before a GM. I think they should give Espada the job this year and then make a move, if necessary, once we get a GM in place. I agree....Which team should the Astros try to take their best Assistant GM from? I don't know enough about the front office guys. All I know is that I'd like to see us get people that can develop/redevelop hitters the way the LAD has recently. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 20, 2020 12:00:59 GMT -6
It doesn't make much sense to commit to a manager before a GM. I think they should give Espada the job this year and then make a move, if necessary, once we get a GM in place. I agree....Which team should the Astros try to take their best Assistant GM from? The Stros front office was raided over the last few years, we all thought Jeff and AJ were going to be here forever in Baseball terms. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2020 12:22:33 GMT -6
Espada is a good man but not what we need as manager at this time. If we are going to hire an inexperienced manager, it needs to be someone with close connections to the Astros.....someone players will respect and fans will support.......that means getting Biggio if possible. Espada is already familiar with the players and is well-respected in the game. He knows the approach we've had and has been part of the success we've had the last couple years. Biggio has never coached outside of high school, right? I don't think throwing him into the mix is the right thing to do. Espada may be respected but he also has no more major league managerial experience than Biggio. The fact that Espada has been involved the last couple of years may not work to his benefit. We need someone who is detached. Larry Dierker had no experience and won division titles. Biggio has the respect of the players and the fans as well as a good reputation throughout the major leagues. I am not opposed to Espada being involved but I had rather have Biggio as manager. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 20, 2020 13:19:09 GMT -6
Espada is already familiar with the players and is well-respected in the game. He knows the approach we've had and has been part of the success we've had the last couple years. Biggio has never coached outside of high school, right? I don't think throwing him into the mix is the right thing to do. Espada may be respected but he also has no more major league managerial experience than Biggio. The fact that Espada has been involved the last couple of years may not work to his benefit. We need someone who is detached. Larry Dierker had no experience and won division titles. Biggio has the respect of the players and the fans as well as a good reputation throughout the major leagues. I am not opposed to Espada being involved but I had rather have Biggio as manager. A bench coach two years > High school coach |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2020 14:41:21 GMT -6
Espada may be respected but he also has no more major league managerial experience than Biggio. The fact that Espada has been involved the last couple of years may not work to his benefit. We need someone who is detached. Larry Dierker had no experience and won division titles. Biggio has the respect of the players and the fans as well as a good reputation throughout the major leagues. I am not opposed to Espada being involved but I had rather have Biggio as manager. A bench coach two years > High school coach A former Astros and member of the Hall of Fame who continues to make his home in Houston and has maintained close ties to the Astros and the players > than a bench coach with no managerial experience and no long time ties to the organization and the city of Houston The fact that Biggio coached his son's high school team has nothing to do with it. Espada never played in the major leagues and his claim to fame is being a third base coach for the Marlins. Before being hired in 2017, the year this scandal began, he had NO ties to the Astros. Biggio would be a much better choice. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 20, 2020 14:52:46 GMT -6
Another problem with hiring a team icon is the risk of something happening that leads to his termination (and damage to their relationship with the team) or a stain on his record. Most teams are not willing to risk that, because they benefit so much from the alumi relationship.
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Post by m240 on Jan 20, 2020 15:02:24 GMT -6
I’m pretty sure the guy will have to come out of the pool of non Astros. I also think whoever the guy is will have to have a reputation as being a no BS kind of guy. The team has enough veteran leadership to make up for any housekeeping issues that may arise but I think the next hire will be more for reputation restoration.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 20, 2020 15:05:34 GMT -6
It doesn't make much sense to commit to a manager before a GM. I think they should give Espada the job this year and then make a move, if necessary, once we get a GM in place. Yes, this is odd kind of like when Bob McNair fired Gary Kubiak and kept Rick Smith. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 20, 2020 15:06:07 GMT -6
A bench coach two years > High school coach A former Astros and member of the Hall of Fame who continues to make his home in Houston and has maintained close ties to the Astros and the players > than a bench coach with no managerial experience and no long time ties to the organization and the city of Houston The fact that Biggio coached his son's high school team has nothing to do with it. Espada never played in the major leagues and his claim to fame is being a third base coach for the Marlins. Before being hired in 2017, the year this scandal began, he had NO ties to the Astros. Biggio would be a much better choice. I'm not sure what having past ties to the organization has to do with anything. We want somebody capable..not somebody that just brings back fond memories for fans. There is a reason why Biggio hasn't been mentioned as being a serious candiate or eve showing interest. It's a pipe dream. He's not prepared to be a MLB manager yet if he even wants to be. And playing history means absolutely nothing when it comes to managers. Espada has worked in a number of different coaching positions for multiple organizations, a front office role, and is a viewed as a manager in the near future. He's been the backup for Hinch already. it would be the easiest smoothest transition while we work on getting a new GM. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2020 15:06:31 GMT -6
Another problem with hiring a team icon is the risk of something happening that leads to his termination (and damage to their relationship with the team) or a stain on his record. Most teams are not willing to risk that, because they benefit so much from the alumi relationship. You make a valid point. I think Biggio is a good option if he wants to do it. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 20, 2020 15:09:20 GMT -6
I’m pretty sure the guy will have to come out of the pool of non Astros. I also think whoever the guy is will have to have a reputation as being a no BS kind of guy. The team has enough veteran leadership to make up for any housekeeping issues that may arise but I think the next hire will be more for reputation restoration. Jim Leyland. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 20, 2020 15:10:28 GMT -6
Eddie Perez is the guy that the Astros seem to be eyeing at the moment
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2020 15:12:21 GMT -6
A former Astros and member of the Hall of Fame who continues to make his home in Houston and has maintained close ties to the Astros and the players > than a bench coach with no managerial experience and no long time ties to the organization and the city of Houston The fact that Biggio coached his son's high school team has nothing to do with it. Espada never played in the major leagues and his claim to fame is being a third base coach for the Marlins. Before being hired in 2017, the year this scandal began, he had NO ties to the Astros. Biggio would be a much better choice. I'm not sure what having past ties to the organization has to do with anything. We want somebody capable..not somebody that just brings back fond memories for fans. There is a reason why Biggio hasn't been mentioned as being a serious candiate or eve showing interest. It's a pipe dream. He's not prepared to be a MLB manager yet if he even wants to be. And playing history means absolutely nothing when it comes to managers. Espada has worked in a number of different coaching positions for multiple organizations, a front office role, and is a viewed as a manager in the near future. He's been the backup for Hinch already. it would be the easiest smoothest transition while we work on getting a new GM. They viewed Cora and Beltran as potential managers, too. What happened to them? Espada was here when this mess was happening but probably had nothing to do with it. The fact that Biggio is a former Astros icon doesn't mean he can or can't do the job. We don't know until we try. His name has been mentioned in the media as a possible candidate. He, Bagwell, and Berkman all called Crane and offered to help in some way, We don't know what they had in mind. I am sure Espada is a good man but I don't think he is what we need at the present time. I would prefer Bochy if we can't get Biggio or Ausmus. Ausmus has managerial experience although it was with bad team so we don't know what he could do with a roster with as much talent as the Astros have now. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 20, 2020 15:12:31 GMT -6
Another problem with hiring a team icon is the risk of something happening that leads to his termination (and damage to their relationship with the team) or a stain on his record. Most teams are not willing to risk that, because they benefit so much from the alumi relationship. Like the Nolan Ryan situation. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2020 15:12:49 GMT -6
Eddie Perez is the guy that the Astros seem to be eyeing at the moment I doubt that. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2020 15:13:48 GMT -6
Another problem with hiring a team icon is the risk of something happening that leads to his termination (and damage to their relationship with the team) or a stain on his record. Most teams are not willing to risk that, because they benefit so much from the alumi relationship. Like the Nolan Ryan situation. Crane made a huge blunder when he demoted Reid and lost Nolan in the process. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 20, 2020 15:24:49 GMT -6
From mlbtraderumors:
"The Astros are interested in former big leaguer Eduardo Perez as they seek a new manager to replace the recently fired A.J. Hinch, reports Andy Martino of SNY.tv (Twitter link). Perez will interview tomorrow, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter).
Perez, 50, should be plenty familiar with the organization after serving as former manager Bo Porter’s bench coach during the 2013 season. He was lined up to serve as Houston’s first base coach in 2014 but ultimately opted to step away from that role, citing a desire to spend more time with family. He also spent two years as the hitting coach in Miami (2011-12) and has managed in the Puerto Rican Winter League in addition to managing Team Colombia in the 2013 World Baseball Classic.
Beyond his coaching experience and his 13-year MLB career (1993-2006), Perez is of course well-known for his time as a host and analyst on ESPN and for MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM. It’s been more than five years since he suited up in a big league dugout, although he’s been a popular managerial candidate over the past couple of offseasons. The Blue Jays interviewed Perez before hiring Charlie Montoyo last winter, and Perez was reportedly the runner-up when the Mets hired Carlos Beltran back in November. Like Hinch and Alex Cora, Beltran was ousted from a managerial job following his role in the 2017 sign-stealing scandal.
Among the other candidates for the Astros’ opening are veteran skippers Buck Showalter, John Gibbons and Dusty Baker. Cubs coach Will Venable, too, is reportedly set to interview."
None of Biggio, Bagwell, or Berkman are set to interview at this time, and the ST starts in a month. It's not happening. And none of them are ready either.
I'm kind of liking the idea of Gibbons. He's a winning manager for his career, and has had some success in the postseason in recent years. He's also not afraid to stand up to this players when they're being babies, and he doesn't sugarcoat things. He could be a nice fit for an outsider.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 20, 2020 15:34:29 GMT -6
From mlbtraderumors: "The Astros are interested in former big leaguer Eduardo Perez as they seek a new manager to replace the recently fired A.J. Hinch, reports Andy Martino of SNY.tv (Twitter link). Perez will interview tomorrow, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter). Perez, 50, should be plenty familiar with the organization after serving as former manager Bo Porter’s bench coach during the 2013 season. He was lined up to serve as Houston’s first base coach in 2014 but ultimately opted to step away from that role, citing a desire to spend more time with family. He also spent two years as the hitting coach in Miami (2011-12) and has managed in the Puerto Rican Winter League in addition to managing Team Colombia in the 2013 World Baseball Classic. Beyond his coaching experience and his 13-year MLB career (1993-2006), Perez is of course well-known for his time as a host and analyst on ESPN and for MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM. It’s been more than five years since he suited up in a big league dugout, although he’s been a popular managerial candidate over the past couple of offseasons. The Blue Jays interviewed Perez before hiring Charlie Montoyo last winter, and Perez was reportedly the runner-up when the Mets hired Carlos Beltran back in November. Like Hinch and Alex Cora, Beltran was ousted from a managerial job following his role in the 2017 sign-stealing scandal. Among the other candidates for the Astros’ opening are veteran skippers Buck Showalter, John Gibbons and Dusty Baker. Cubs coach Will Venable, too, is reportedly set to interview." None of Biggio, Bagwell, or Berkman are set to interview at this time, and the ST starts in a month. It's not happening. And none of them are ready either. I'm kind of liking the idea of Gibbons. He's a winning manager for his career, and has had some success in the postseason in recent years. He's also not afraid to stand up to this players when they're being babies, and he doesn't sugarcoat things. He could be a nice fit for an outsider. It’s not the best hiring pool, but I’m okay with Showalter. I wouldn’t mind Gibbons. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 20, 2020 15:41:08 GMT -6
From mlbtraderumors: "The Astros are interested in former big leaguer Eduardo Perez as they seek a new manager to replace the recently fired A.J. Hinch, reports Andy Martino of SNY.tv (Twitter link). Perez will interview tomorrow, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter). Perez, 50, should be plenty familiar with the organization after serving as former manager Bo Porter’s bench coach during the 2013 season. He was lined up to serve as Houston’s first base coach in 2014 but ultimately opted to step away from that role, citing a desire to spend more time with family. He also spent two years as the hitting coach in Miami (2011-12) and has managed in the Puerto Rican Winter League in addition to managing Team Colombia in the 2013 World Baseball Classic. Beyond his coaching experience and his 13-year MLB career (1993-2006), Perez is of course well-known for his time as a host and analyst on ESPN and for MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM. It’s been more than five years since he suited up in a big league dugout, although he’s been a popular managerial candidate over the past couple of offseasons. The Blue Jays interviewed Perez before hiring Charlie Montoyo last winter, and Perez was reportedly the runner-up when the Mets hired Carlos Beltran back in November. Like Hinch and Alex Cora, Beltran was ousted from a managerial job following his role in the 2017 sign-stealing scandal. Among the other candidates for the Astros’ opening are veteran skippers Buck Showalter, John Gibbons and Dusty Baker. Cubs coach Will Venable, too, is reportedly set to interview." None of Biggio, Bagwell, or Berkman are set to interview at this time, and the ST starts in a month. It's not happening. And none of them are ready either. I'm kind of liking the idea of Gibbons. He's a winning manager for his career, and has had some success in the postseason in recent years. He's also not afraid to stand up to this players when they're being babies, and he doesn't sugarcoat things. He could be a nice fit for an outsider. It’s not the best hiring pool, but I’m okay with Showalter. I wouldn’t mind Gibbons. I disagree. I think there are a few interesting candidates that could be good fits. I just don't think we should get some big-name manager before a GM. That's why I think it's a perfect chance to give Espada a chance while we're kind of in this open phase. He probably wouldn't do things much differently from Hinch on the field (where we've had a ton of success for a few years now), and it would be the smoothest transition for the players right now. If Espada sucks you didn't really lose anything and then the new GM picks his own guy. If Espada does well, we've got our new manager. Either way it works out. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 20, 2020 15:45:34 GMT -6
It’s not the best hiring pool, but I’m okay with Showalter. I wouldn’t mind Gibbons. I disagree. I think there are a few interesting candidates that could be good fits. I just don't think we should get some big-name manager before a GM. That's why I think it's a perfect chance to give Espada a chance while we're kind of in this open phase. He probably wouldn't do things much differently from Hinch on the field (where we've had a ton of success for a few years now), and it would be the smoothest transition for the players right now. If Espada sucks you didn't really lose anything and then the new GM picks his own guy. If Espada does well, we've got our new manager. Either way it works out. If the interest is to keep the analytics alive, the best choice would probably be Espada, but they likely want an outside hire. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 20, 2020 16:23:56 GMT -6
The best compromise of appeasing fans AND getting effective guys that will respect the analytics (but also seem to know baseball from a little bit of an old school view) are likely Ensberg and Everett. I haven't seen them mentioned anywhere seriously though.
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Post by Saint on Jan 20, 2020 16:33:17 GMT -6
So JD Martinez has come out and said they didn't do what was described in 2018. He says MLB will exonerate them on the claims.
So are they better liars, or did they really not cheat?
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2020 16:39:24 GMT -6
I don't see what being Bo Porter's bench coach would do to impress anyone. Porter sucked as a manager. I definitely don't want Baker. I could live with Gibbons but he has always looked tired to me and showed little enthusiasm. If we want experience, I wish we could get Bochy. I have never been a big fan of Showalter. We don't know if Biggio is ready or not.........we haven't tried to find out. We know Baker destroys pitching staffs. Espada has no managerial experience and I see no reason why they should be looking at Perez.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2020 17:15:13 GMT -6
So JD Martinez has come out and said they didn't do what was described in 2018. He says MLB will exonerate them on the claims. So are they better liars, or did they really not cheat? Liars. No doubt Cora had a system working in Boston similar to the one he had in Houston. He should have his ass banned for lfe. |
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