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Post by Saint on Sept 23, 2020 15:01:27 GMT -6
Umm yeah, plenty of players go through stretches over a season (or even an entire season) where they slump. Kris Bryant, Bellinger, are a couple others having horrible seasons for them off the top of my head. Look at Chris Davis from 2013-2015. Great - Horrible - Great. Hell, look at the entire 2nd half of Ripken's career: Elite - Bad - Bad - Good - Bad - Mediocre - Bad - Bad - Elite - Bad And this is not a normal season. Plus, he hasn't been bad all season. He had a bad month in August. Up until yesterday, his September numbers were down for him, but not horrible. Unfortunately, a bad month in a 3 month season will ruin your season. And like Thomas said, he was very good before 2017. From 2012-2016 (when he was our everyday 2B) he hit .314 with an .800 OPS averaging 12 HR 38 SB and 197 Hits... And that includes his very pedestrian 2012 and 2013 seasons. You're discounting everything he has accomplished based on this one partial season that has seen all kinds of weird things happen. There's nothing wrong with you defending George (even though we all like George), but tearing Altuve down to do so with such a limited sample size is what doesn't make sense. What Altuve has done over the previous 6 seasons is HoF material. I am afraid the sign-stealing scandal will keep Altuve or any other Astro on those teams out of the HOF. i hope that is not the case, but, it could very well happen. I hope you are right about this just being an off year. I hope what we see now isn't what we are going to get for $30 million a year, I don't think it will hurt Jose in the long run if he bounces back and gets to his normal self again for 3-5 more years. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 23, 2020 15:10:12 GMT -6
I can’t believe we have to defend Altuve around here. Ridiculous. You don't have to. Just accept that Corch is a mental retard and move on. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 23, 2020 16:15:20 GMT -6
I can’t believe we have to defend Altuve around here. Ridiculous. You don't have to. Just accept that Corch is a mental retard and move on. That is right. We accepted that about you a long time ago. You can't imagine how it worries me when geniuses like you refer to me as a retard. LMAO. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 24, 2020 7:15:47 GMT -6
I can’t believe we have to defend Altuve around here. Ridiculous. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 24, 2020 7:50:04 GMT -6
I love Altuve. And he's guilty. Even if he didn't use the system, he gave tacit consent for its continuation. I disagree. It was Luhnow who did that, and he gave consent to the bench coach who cultivated the scheme Even looking back at the shenanigans, I still wouldn't have expected a ballplayer to blow the whistle on who was (for all intents and purposes) the assistant manager, even if it's Altuve we're discussing hypothetically taking it upon himself to do that
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 24, 2020 9:12:07 GMT -6
Bear is right about Luhnow. Also, unlike Hinch, he never apologized for the whole thing.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 24, 2020 9:18:21 GMT -6
Bear is right about Luhnow. Also, unlike Hinch, he never apologized for the whole thing. Luhnow was a good GM, butl he lied through his teeth when he claimed innocence. He knew about it and should have stopped it. He is more guilty than Hinch or Cora. Cora devised it.....Beltran helped him advance it.......Hinch knew about it, claimed he opposed it, but, never stopped it. Luhnow was the boss of both so the buck stopped with him. Hinch apologized......As far as I know, Luhnow never admitted to knowing anything. I don't think Crane knew about it. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 24, 2020 10:40:15 GMT -6
Bear is right about Luhnow. Also, unlike Hinch, he never apologized for the whole thing. I’ve no doubt as soon as Luhnow got the September warning from the commissioner about electronic sign-stealing, he took it straight to Beltrán and asked him point-blank if the Yankees would stop cheating as a result of the directive. And Coach Carlos answered not on your life
The fact that all the gaslighters in the news media know dam well Beltrán is to blame for the whole thing (and why) while continuing to shield him from criticism whenever the subject comes up proves how dumb this scandal has been from the start, and why folks should relegate it to the dustbin of our memories if resolve and sanity is what we seek
I know now why Luhnow signed Beltrán in the winter of 2016, and I still commend him for doing so because of the memory I get to cash in on once in a while thinking back to the subsequent October when it was an opportunity and not yet a betrayal. The only thing the team has done wrong since then if you ask me was not throwing Beltrán & the Yankees under the bus during that press conference a few months ago when Crane wanted them to be contrite |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 24, 2020 11:07:09 GMT -6
Bear is right about Luhnow. Also, unlike Hinch, he never apologized for the whole thing. I’ve no doubt as soon as Luhnow got the September warning from the commissioner about electronic sign-stealing, he took it straight to Beltrán and asked him point-blank if the Yankees would stop cheating as a result of the directive. And Coach Carlos answered not on your life
The fact that all the gaslighters in the news media know dam well Beltrán is to blame for the whole thing (and why) while continuing to shield him from criticism whenever the subject comes up proves how dumb this scandal has been from the start, and why folks should relegate it to the dustbin of our memories if resolve and sanity is what we seek
I know now why Luhnow signed Beltrán in the winter of 2016, and I still commend him for doing so because of the memory I get to cash in on once in a while thinking back to the subsequent October when it was an opportunity and not yet a betrayal. The only thing the team has done wrong since then if you ask me was not throwing Beltrán & the Yankees under the bus during that press conference a few months ago when Crane wanted them to be contrite The players don’t have the balls to implicate any from their group, but Hinch was fair game. That’s the one thing I felt unsettling about their so-called apologies. We all know I wasn’t the biggest fan of Hinch, but I thought he was a good manager overall. He didn’t deserve to be the guy having that embarrassing interview with Tom Verducci. There should’ve been more players speaking out like Correa instead of like Bregman and Altuve. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 24, 2020 11:27:32 GMT -6
I’ve no doubt as soon as Luhnow got the September warning from the commissioner about electronic sign-stealing, he took it straight to Beltrán and asked him point-blank if the Yankees would stop cheating as a result of the directive. And Coach Carlos answered not on your life
The fact that all the gaslighters in the news media know dam well Beltrán is to blame for the whole thing (and why) while continuing to shield him from criticism whenever the subject comes up proves how dumb this scandal has been from the start, and why folks should relegate it to the dustbin of our memories if resolve and sanity is what we seek
I know now why Luhnow signed Beltrán in the winter of 2016, and I still commend him for doing so because of the memory I get to cash in on once in a while thinking back to the subsequent October when it was an opportunity and not yet a betrayal. The only thing the team has done wrong since then if you ask me was not throwing Beltrán & the Yankees under the bus during that press conference a few months ago when Crane wanted them to be contrite The players don’t have the balls to implicate any from their group, but Hinch was fair game. That’s the one thing I felt unsettling about their so-called apologies. We all know I wasn’t the biggest fan of Hinch, but I thought he was a good manager overall. He didn’t deserve to be the guy having that embarrassing interview with Tom Verducci. There should’ve been more players speaking out like Correa instead of like Bregman and Altuve. The outstanding job AJ did managing the pitching staff is going to be missed eventually. I don't remember any injuries being nothing we couldn't weather during his tenure, and we had a top-10 bullpen all the seasons he managed here. There's no manager in franchise history I can think of with a track record like that, and probably never will be
Hinch will catch on with another club and do the same thing there
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Post by Saint on Sept 24, 2020 11:48:05 GMT -6
Where is this damn sealed letter about the Yankees and sign-stealing?
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 24, 2020 14:08:52 GMT -6
Bear is right about Luhnow. Also, unlike Hinch, he never apologized for the whole thing. I’ve no doubt as soon as Luhnow got the September warning from the commissioner about electronic sign-stealing, he took it straight to Beltrán and asked him point-blank if the Yankees would stop cheating as a result of the directive. And Coach Carlos answered not on your life
The fact that all the gaslighters in the news media know dam well Beltrán is to blame for the whole thing (and why) while continuing to shield him from criticism whenever the subject comes up proves how dumb this scandal has been from the start, and why folks should relegate it to the dustbin of our memories if resolve and sanity is what we seek
I know now why Luhnow signed Beltrán in the winter of 2016, and I still commend him for doing so because of the memory I get to cash in on once in a while thinking back to the subsequent October when it was an opportunity and not yet a betrayal. The only thing the team has done wrong since then if you ask me was not throwing Beltrán & the Yankees under the bus during that press conference a few months ago when Crane wanted them to be contrite I tend to agree that one of the reasons Luhnow signed Beltran was because he knew the Yankees stole signs and wanted Beltran to bring that to the Astros. That is one of the reasons the Yankees are still fuming is because Beltran was one of their own, they declined to sign him, and, Carlos came to Houston and brought their system of sign-stealing with him. The Yankees get by with anything because they are in New York. Beltran taught our young players a lot about winning.. Luhnow threw Hinch under the bus...........I remember Correa speaking out, and, I remember Bregman and Altuve both sounding like they were sorry they got caught.....Not one word from either in the defense of Hinch. Instead, others covered up for little Jose because he just won the MVP and a batting title and they would not expose that he cheated to win them. If Crane had a brain and wanted to win, he'd dump Baker and his BLM shirts and beg Hinch to come back. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 24, 2020 15:54:14 GMT -6
I’ve no doubt as soon as Luhnow got the September warning from the commissioner about electronic sign-stealing, he took it straight to Beltrán and asked him point-blank if the Yankees would stop cheating as a result of the directive. And Coach Carlos answered not on your life
The fact that all the gaslighters in the news media know dam well Beltrán is to blame for the whole thing (and why) while continuing to shield him from criticism whenever the subject comes up proves how dumb this scandal has been from the start, and why folks should relegate it to the dustbin of our memories if resolve and sanity is what we seek
I know now why Luhnow signed Beltrán in the winter of 2016, and I still commend him for doing so because of the memory I get to cash in on once in a while thinking back to the subsequent October when it was an opportunity and not yet a betrayal. The only thing the team has done wrong since then if you ask me was not throwing Beltrán & the Yankees under the bus during that press conference a few months ago when Crane wanted them to be contrite I tend to agree that one of the reasons Luhnow signed Beltran was because he knew the Yankees stole signs and wanted Beltran to bring that to the Astros. That is one of the reasons the Yankees are still fuming is because Beltran was one of their own, they declined to sign him, and, Carlos came to Houston and brought their system of sign-stealing with him. The Yankees get by with anything because they are in New York. Beltran taught our young players a lot about winning.. Luhnow threw Hinch under the bus...........I remember Correa speaking out, and, I remember Bregman and Altuve both sounding like they were sorry they got caught.....Not one word from either in the defense of Hinch. Instead, others covered up for little Jose because he just won the MVP and a batting title and they would not expose that he cheated to win them. If Crane had a brain and wanted to win, he'd dump Baker and his BLM shirts and beg Hinch to come back. Would you like Dusty if he wore a All Lives Matter shirt? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 24, 2020 18:00:49 GMT -6
I tend to agree that one of the reasons Luhnow signed Beltran was because he knew the Yankees stole signs and wanted Beltran to bring that to the Astros. That is one of the reasons the Yankees are still fuming is because Beltran was one of their own, they declined to sign him, and, Carlos came to Houston and brought their system of sign-stealing with him. The Yankees get by with anything because they are in New York. Beltran taught our young players a lot about winning.. Luhnow threw Hinch under the bus...........I remember Correa speaking out, and, I remember Bregman and Altuve both sounding like they were sorry they got caught.....Not one word from either in the defense of Hinch. Instead, others covered up for little Jose because he just won the MVP and a batting title and they would not expose that he cheated to win them. If Crane had a brain and wanted to win, he'd dump Baker and his BLM shirts and beg Hinch to come back. Would you like Dusty if he wore a All Lives Matter shirt? I would like him better, but, he would still suck as a manager and need to be replaced. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 24, 2020 22:53:05 GMT -6
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 25, 2020 9:20:30 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 25, 2020 11:09:51 GMT -6
sounds like the Yankees have something to hide and want everything covered up. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 25, 2020 15:11:50 GMT -6
Nothing to see here, folks. Let’s just accept that the Astros are the only team that cheated in the history of baseball.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 25, 2020 15:35:26 GMT -6
Nothing to see here, folks. Let’s just accept that the Astros are the only team that cheated in the history of baseball. They were not the first, just the dumbest. |
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Post by talshill on Sept 25, 2020 15:42:41 GMT -6
I love Altuve. And he's guilty. Even if he didn't use the system, he gave tacit consent for its continuation. I disagree. It was Luhnow who did that, and he gave consent to the bench coach who cultivated the scheme Even looking back at the shenanigans, I still wouldn't have expected a ballplayer to blow the whistle on who was (for all intents and purposes) the assistant manager, even if it's Altuve we're discussing hypothetically taking it upon himself to do that
There would have been no need to "blow the whistle" (and indeed no whistle would have been blown at all) had Jose or others of his stature quietly taken the responsible group aside and insisted that it be disbanded (assuming that it indeed originated with the players). If enough guys had taken a stance then Luhnow, et al would have still been employed. Of course, they may have continued the practice anyway and maybe the 'Stros wouldn't have won the championship. My personal opinion completely devoid of facts is that the reason no one apparently spoke out was because it originated in Luhnow's office, probably with Crane's consent. I certainly don't hold Jose solely responsible; he was one of however many who should have done the right thing. I'm not trying to be holier-than-thou because Lord knows I've failed plenty of times. But to hold Jose innocent is inaccurate in my book, and I'm probably one of his biggest fans. If we live long enough more of the story will come out and maybe we'll find out we were all wrong. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 25, 2020 15:56:41 GMT -6
Nothing to see here, folks. Let’s just accept that the Astros are the only team that cheated in the history of baseball. They were not the first, just the dumbest. Bunch of Altuves, stupid Cubans! |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 25, 2020 15:58:11 GMT -6
Nothing to see here, folks. Let’s just accept that the Astros are the only team that cheated in the history of baseball. They were not the first, just the dumbest. DO DUMMIES WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 25, 2020 15:58:56 GMT -6
They were not the first, just the dumbest. DO DUMMIES WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS? Every Dumday |
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