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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 20, 2021 12:14:51 GMT -6
MLB managers are a lot like NFL coaches; if the talent is there they can win. If not, they won't. I think it's true that a superior coach or manager can get more out of their players. It's also true that a sub-par coach/manager can lead their team to underperform. I don't know if Dusty sucks or is fantastic, but sometimes he does things that make me scratch my head (like not reviewing the pickoff play at first base a few games back). In my humble opinion, he's neither. Just adequate. Sort of the safe choice, given who was available at the time. Would the Astros have been better off to make a bold choice and go with someone who had no MLB experience as a manager? Hard to say. All I'm saying is the 'half-assed lineups' rationale doesn't work for me. If you want to be critical of him for other actions, that seems fair to me. JMO Dusty was the right choice for the s*** storm that they're going through b/c of the cheating scandal. Like I said previously, I hope the Astros win the World Series this year, and Dusty retires afterwards. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 20, 2021 12:19:49 GMT -6
Dusty was the right choice for the s*** storm that they're going through b/c of the cheating scandal. Like I said previously, I hope the Astros win the World Series this year, and Dusty retires afterwards. I'm pretty sure Dusty will retire this winter, regardless of the outcome. JMO. And I share your hope the Astros will grab the brass ring! |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 20, 2021 12:21:50 GMT -6
MLB managers are a lot like NFL coaches; if the talent is there they can win. If not, they won't. I think it's true that a superior coach or manager can get more out of their players. It's also true that a sub-par coach/manager can lead their team to underperform. I don't know if Dusty sucks or is fantastic, but sometimes he does things that make me scratch my head (like not reviewing the pickoff play at first base a few games back). Larry Dierker the best Astros manager of all-time? Hinch was better if you look at results. Dierker was 4/5 winning seasons, Hinch was 5/5. Both made the postseason 4 times, but Hinch had two pennants (would’ve been 3) and a WS title. |
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Post by talshill on Jun 20, 2021 13:02:21 GMT -6
MLB managers are a lot like NFL coaches; if the talent is there they can win. If not, they won't. I think it's true that a superior coach or manager can get more out of their players. It's also true that a sub-par coach/manager can lead their team to underperform. I don't know if Dusty sucks or is fantastic, but sometimes he does things that make me scratch my head (like not reviewing the pickoff play at first base a few games back). In my humble opinion, he's neither. Just adequate. Sort of the safe choice, given who was available at the time. Would the Astros have been better off to make a bold choice and go with someone who had no MLB experience as a manager? Hard to say. All I'm saying is the 'half-assed lineups' rationale doesn't work for me. If you want to be critical of him for other actions, that seems fair to me. JMO Yes, I can see that, too. The thing none of us knows is how well managers do at massaging the prima donna psyches some of these ballplayers have. How well do they help maintain a good attitude among the players? Hard to say. I've done many root cause analyses during my career. It would be interesting to see how many team failures come back to poor managerial decisions. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 20, 2021 15:44:38 GMT -6
Dusty was the right choice for the s*** storm that they're going through b/c of the cheating scandal. Like I said previously, I hope the Astros win the World Series this year, and Dusty retires afterwards. I'm pretty sure Dusty will retire this winter, regardless of the outcome. JMO. And I share your hope the Astros will grab the brass ring! I hope Dusty gets his ring and then retires. I want Brad Ausmus to replace him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 20, 2021 15:47:53 GMT -6
In my humble opinion, he's neither. Just adequate. Sort of the safe choice, given who was available at the time. Would the Astros have been better off to make a bold choice and go with someone who had no MLB experience as a manager? Hard to say. All I'm saying is the 'half-assed lineups' rationale doesn't work for me. If you want to be critical of him for other actions, that seems fair to me. JMO Yes, I can see that, too. The thing none of us knows is how well managers do at massaging the prima donna psyches some of these ballplayers have. How well do they help maintain a good attitude among the players? Hard to say. I've done many root cause analyses during my career. It would be interesting to see how many team failures come back to poor managerial decisions. What I meant by "half-assed lineups" was his tendency to rest a couple of our hottest hitters for games when we had a chance to sweep a series. Had we had Bregman and Tucker available today, he probably would have done it again. To me, resting guys who are in slumps makes more sense than sitting guys who are on a hot streak. He isn't making as many bonehead moves with the pitching now that our starters are going deeper into games. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 20, 2021 16:25:55 GMT -6
What I meant by "half-assed lineups" was his tendency to rest a couple of our hottest hitters for games when we had a chance to sweep a series. Had we had Bregman and Tucker available today, he probably would have done it again. To me, resting guys who are in slumps makes more sense than sitting guys who are on a hot streak.I have a radically different opinion about all of that. You rest guys when they're tired or to keep them from becoming weary. If a guy is in a slump, he needs playing time as well as coaching to break himself out of the slump. You can't emerge from a slump, riding the pine. Sweep, schmeep. When you win the first two, you still get on the plane with a positive attitude if you lose the last game of the series. Split the first two and it makes a huge difference in morale if you lose the last game. Sweeps are awesome for fan bragging, though. Bregman and Tucker? Who played in their stead today? Toro and Chas? Toro went 4 for 5 (wow!), scored a run and drove one in. Chas went 2 for 4 plus a walk and drove in a run. Sounds like a very good day at the plate for a couple of 'scrubs'. These guys are stepping up when needed. I'm not sure Dusty would have played them if Bregman and Tucker were available. But if he would have, I say good on him! Go Dusty! Go Astros! |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 20, 2021 16:33:32 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 20, 2021 16:49:02 GMT -6
What I meant by "half-assed lineups" was his tendency to rest a couple of our hottest hitters for games when we had a chance to sweep a series. Had we had Bregman and Tucker available today, he probably would have done it again. To me, resting guys who are in slumps makes more sense than sitting guys who are on a hot streak.I have a radically different opinion about all of that. You rest guys when they're tired or to keep them from becoming weary. If a guy is in a slump, he needs playing time as well as coaching to break himself out of the slump. You can't emerge from a slump, riding the pine. Sweep, schmeep. When you win the first two, you still get on the plane with a positive attitude if you lose the last game of the series. Split the first two and it makes a huge difference in morale if you lose the last game. Sweeps are awesome for fan bragging, though. Bregman and Tucker? Who played in their stead today? Toro and Chas? Toro went 4 for 5 (wow!), scored a run and drove one in. Chas went 2 for 4 plus a walk and drove in a run. Sounds like a very good day at the plate for a couple of 'scrubs'. These guys are stepping up when needed. I'm not sure Dusty would have played them if Bregman and Tucker were available. But if he would have, I say good on him! Go Dusty! Go Astros! Sweeps are awesome when you are trying to win a division. Sitting hot hitters is also not the way to win games or the division. Tell you what...get the Tigers to send Hinch back and they can have Dusty the Dumbass. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 20, 2021 18:37:40 GMT -6
Larry Dierker the best Astros manager of all-time? Hinch was better if you look at results. Dierker was 4/5 winning seasons, Hinch was 5/5. Both made the postseason 4 times, but Hinch had two pennants (would’ve been 3) and a WS title. Hinch's shitty pitcher management cost us far more than any decision Dustbag has or will make |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 20, 2021 18:54:37 GMT -6
Hinch was better if you look at results. Dierker was 4/5 winning seasons, Hinch was 5/5. Both made the postseason 4 times, but Hinch had two pennants (would’ve been 3) and a WS title. Hinch's shitty pitcher management cost us far more than any decision Dustbag has or will make Will Harris in 2015 and 2019 |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 20, 2021 19:28:40 GMT -6
Hinch was better if you look at results. Dierker was 4/5 winning seasons, Hinch was 5/5. Both made the postseason 4 times, but Hinch had two pennants (would’ve been 3) and a WS title. Hinch's shitty pitcher management cost us far more than any decision Dustbag has or will make But he did well in ‘17 by saying screw the relievers, we’re going with starters in relief. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 20, 2021 19:47:17 GMT -6
The big difference between Hinch and Baker is that when Hinch had great talent, he won two pennants and a World Series. When Baker had great talent, he managed to get his team eliminated before they got the league championship series.
I still fault Hinch for pulling Greinke in game 7 of the 2019 WS and putting Harris in to give up the home run. But, he is the same guy who used two of his starters out of the pen in 2017 to help us win the AL pennant and the WS.
When Baker gets us to the WS this year, I'll consider putting him in the same class with Hinch. Until then, he is down there with all of the other wannabes who never won squat.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 20, 2021 19:58:54 GMT -6
Hinch's shitty pitcher management cost us far more than any decision Dustbag has or will make But he did well in ‘17 by saying screw the relievers, we’re going with starters in relief. making a good (or lucky) decision in the middle of 2 shitty decisions does not make you a good decision-maker. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 20, 2021 21:09:34 GMT -6
Today I pick Toro as player of the game. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 20, 2021 21:10:18 GMT -6
I want to go on record as being a Dusty fan.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 20, 2021 21:25:47 GMT -6
But he did well in ‘17 by saying screw the relievers, we’re going with starters in relief. making a good (or lucky) decision in the middle of 2 shitty decisions does not make you a good decision-maker. Well, he postponed screwing up long enough to lead a championship team. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 20, 2021 22:48:28 GMT -6
I want to go on record as being a Dusty fan. I want to stay on record as saying I think he is a loser. He may be a nice guy but, he is not close to being a top manager. I can't wait until he retires and gets out of the way. If we win, it won't be due to anything he does. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 20, 2021 22:49:52 GMT -6
making a good (or lucky) decision in the middle of 2 shitty decisions does not make you a good decision-maker. Well, he postponed screwing up long enough to lead a championship team. I imagine lots of teams wish their manager had screwed up like Hinch did.......win two pennants and a World Series. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 21, 2021 7:35:14 GMT -6
Sweeps are awesome when you are trying to win a division. Sitting hot hitters is also not the way to win games or the division. That's a textbook example of shortsighted thinking. Completing a sweep does nothing more towards your season record than winning ANY other game. The BEST time for a hitter to have a day off is when they're performing well. They feel good about their self and return with a positive attitude. Sitting a hitter who is struggling is a vote of no-confidence. When they return, they're pressing, trying to prove they belong. Psych 101. Tell you what...get the Tigers to send Hinch back and they can have Dusty the Dumbass. Your blind hate for Dusty has hampered your ability to reason. AJ is even more guilty of the sins of which you accuse Dusty. And I respect AJ for that. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 21, 2021 7:35:53 GMT -6
Today I pick Toro as player of the game. Excellent choice! By the way, I LOVE the intent of this thread. Let's recognize those who are doing well rather than ragging on those who aren't. Positive thinking! I want to go on record as being a Dusty fan. Duly noted. Personally, I'm not so much a fan. But he's the man at the helm, so I wish him nothing but the best. And I fully respect his wisdom in using his reserves. Go Dusty! Go Astros! |
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Post by Saint on Jun 21, 2021 8:21:07 GMT -6
Dusty is a mediocre coach at this point. Most days he doesn't really make a difference either way. Every now and then he does something smart with a pitcher (like leaving Taylor in for two innings yesterday), but then he'll ruin it by making a move that makes zero sense (and then doesn't seem to have a good reason for it when ask about it later).
At the end of all of it, he won't be the reason we're successful or not, but he could be the reason we win or lose in a key postseason series. We'll see.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 21, 2021 9:42:28 GMT -6
Unless they're mental retards, resting a hot player for 1 game should have no intrinsic impact on the player.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 21, 2021 21:32:46 GMT -6
Tonight's player of the game is not a player at all. Our player of the game is Mr. Dusty Baker! Thank you Dusty!
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 21, 2021 21:46:10 GMT -6
Tonight's player of the game is not a player at all. Our player of the game is Mr. Dusty Baker! Thank you Dusty! I fear you just made someone's head explode.  |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 22, 2021 21:22:36 GMT -6
Congrats to Mr. Straw for winning player of the game honors.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 22, 2021 21:48:37 GMT -6
Sweeps are awesome when you are trying to win a division. Sitting hot hitters is also not the way to win games or the division. That's a textbook example of shortsighted thinking. Completing a sweep does nothing more towards your season record than winning ANY other game. The BEST time for a hitter to have a day off is when they're performing well. They feel good about their self and return with a positive attitude. Sitting a hitter who is struggling is a vote of no-confidence. When they return, they're pressing, trying to prove they belong. Psych 101. Tell you what...get the Tigers to send Hinch back and they can have Dusty the Dumbass. Your blind hate for Dusty has hampered your ability to reason. AJ is even more guilty of the sins of which you accuse Dusty. And I respect AJ for that. I have no "blind hatred" for Dusty or anyone else. I just don't think he's a good manager.....he never has been. He has had good talent and squandered it. He has a history of losing because he can't manage a pitching staff. As for comparing him to AJ, AJ won.....Dusty never has. The only thing I didn't like about AJ was his total reliance on analytics. He often managed like a robot. The worst move he ever made was pulling Greinke in game 7 of the 2019 WS. Dusty has never managed in a WS. In fact, most of his playoff teams never won a series of any kind. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 22, 2021 21:48:59 GMT -6
Congrats to Mr. Straw for winning player of the game honors. He earned it. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 22, 2021 23:27:18 GMT -6
Hinch won a World Series because they cheated.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 23, 2021 8:08:42 GMT -6
Hinch won a World Series because they cheated. ***** |
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