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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 15, 2021 18:44:01 GMT -6
Joc Pederson traded to the Braves.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 15, 2021 18:59:51 GMT -6
Joc Pederson traded to the Braves. I imagine trade activity is about to pick up. I'll believe we do much of anything when I see it. We seem to have a policy of sitting around watching other teams acquire players who could help us. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 15, 2021 19:11:26 GMT -6
Joc Pederson traded to the Braves. I imagine trade activity is about to pick up. I'll believe we do much of anything when I see it. We seem to have a policy of sitting around watching other teams acquire players who could help us. I hope we get a rp that can throw strikes. I would love it if he could take the roster spot that belongs to Joe Smith. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 15, 2021 19:13:17 GMT -6
I imagine trade activity is about to pick up. I'll believe we do much of anything when I see it. We seem to have a policy of sitting around watching other teams acquire players who could help us. I hope we get a rp that can throw strikes. I would love it if he could take the roster spot that belongs to Joe Smith. I'd love to get Kimbrell and dump Smith. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 15, 2021 19:13:49 GMT -6
I hope we get a rp that can throw strikes. I would love it if he could take the roster spot that belongs to Joe Smith. I'd love to get Kimbrell and dump Smith. I would be happy if we simply dumped Smith. Lol. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 15, 2021 19:15:09 GMT -6
Dumping Smith would be addition by subtraction.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 15, 2021 19:22:00 GMT -6
Dumping Smith would be addition by subtraction. We have nathan around for one reason. Trades... I can't believe he has failed to get us someone yet. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 18, 2021 9:28:28 GMT -6
Twins Reportedly Disinclined To Trade Players Controllable Beyond 2021I guess that makes sense because they have SEVEN players hitting Free Agency this winter and none of them worth throwing a QO at. Anything they get in return for any of them will be better than nothing. But there isn't much to choose from. Nelson Cruz is still hitting well, so if someone needs a DH he would be an option. If someone needs a quality shortstop who can't hit, Andrelton Simmons will be available. Three starting pitchers. Michael Pineda would slot at the bottom of a good rotation and the remainder of his $10MM salary wouldn't be too much if they accept a token return. The aging J.A. Happ has a good resume but he kinda sux this year. Pass. Matt Shoemaker has been awful this year. Two relievers. Hansel Robles ... meh. Nick Vincent ... signed to a minors contract and is doing poorly at AAA.
Other than Cruz and maybe Pineda, I don't imagine they'll draw any interest.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 18, 2021 9:45:22 GMT -6
I see either the White Sox or A's going after Cruz....
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 18, 2021 9:51:16 GMT -6
Click needs to get a reliever or two here pronto. If not, get a starter and move someone to the bullpen. It’s a joke outside of Pressly and maybe Stanek.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 18, 2021 10:03:14 GMT -6
I see either the White Sox or A's going after Cruz.... Steve Adams (mlbtr) mentioned the White Sox but also said Eloy Jimenez will be returning soon from a rehab assignment. So maybe on the Sox. He sees the A's as a prime target for Cruz. The Best Fits For Nelson Cruz |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 18, 2021 10:06:56 GMT -6
Click needs to get a reliever or two here pronto. If not, get a starter and move someone to the bullpen. It’s a joke outside of Pressly and maybe Stanek. The Astros are “going to entertain the idea of [acquiring] starting pitchers” at the trade deadline, GM James Click told The Houston Chronicle’s Chandler Rome and other reporters. Zack Greinke and Jose Urquidy are battling sore shoulders, Framber Valdez’s control has been shaky, and Luis Garcia and Cristian Javier might be approaching innings thresholds. These issues have combined to turn what had been an area of strength for the Astros into a potential concern down the stretch. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 18, 2021 10:18:56 GMT -6
Let's talk Tigers for minute. The Tigers have EIGHT players headed to free agency this winter. The first and last on this list are the most notable: Wily Peralta Erasmo Ramirez Julio Teheran Derek Holland Nomar Mazara Jose Urena Jonathan SchoopSchoop is a 2B but due to the way AJ has been moving the pieces around, he's added 1B to his resume. Started the season horribly at the plate. But he worked diligently to turn himself around. His batting stats since mid-May: www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=schoojo01&t=b&year=2021#882-935-sum:batting_gamelogsWily Peralta is a veteran pitcher other teams gave up on. He started the season in the Tigers minor league system. Made it back to the show in mid-June. I think he could be of interest to the Astros. www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/peralwi01.shtml |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 18, 2021 10:41:04 GMT -6
Click needs to get a reliever or two here pronto. If not, get a starter and move someone to the bullpen. It’s a joke outside of Pressly and maybe Stanek. The Astros are “going to entertain the idea of [acquiring] starting pitchers” at the trade deadline, GM James Click told The Houston Chronicle’s Chandler Rome and other reporters. Zack Greinke and Jose Urquidy are battling sore shoulders, Framber Valdez’s control has been shaky, and Luis Garcia and Cristian Javier might be approaching innings thresholds. These issues have combined to turn what had been an area of strength for the Astros into a potential concern down the stretch. Since I am old school, I think this "inning threshold" business is a load of crap. We never heard of it until the last few years. Of course, back when we had tough guys playing, they didn't run to the IL with every ache and pain. Managers didn't "rest" them in a big game. Many played both games of nine inning DH's, even some catchers. Top starting pitchers worked 300 ore more innings per season in four man rotations and they didn't go to the IL over everything you could name. Today's pitchers who work 200 innings they have a heavy work load. LOL Setting an "innings threshold" at 150 innings hasn't proven to be worth it. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 18, 2021 10:45:58 GMT -6
Since I am old school, I think this "inning threshold" business is a load of crap. We never heard of it until the last few years. Of course, back when we had tough guys playing, they didn't run to the IL with every ache and pain. Managers didn't "rest" them in a big game. Many played both games of nine inning DH's, even some catchers. Top starting pitchers worked 300 ore more innings per season in four man rotations and they didn't go to the IL over everything you could name. Today's pitchers who work 200 innings they have a heavy work load. LOL Setting an "innings threshold" at 150 innings hasn't proven to be worth it. I agree. All this pampering of pitchers doesn’t keep umpteen of them from getting elbow surgery before, during, and after the season. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 18, 2021 12:04:02 GMT -6
Since I am old school, I think this "inning threshold" business is a load of crap. We never heard of it until the last few years. Of course, back when we had tough guys playing, they didn't run to the IL with every ache and pain. Managers didn't "rest" them in a big game. Many played both games of nine inning DH's, even some catchers. Top starting pitchers worked 300 ore more innings per season in four man rotations and they didn't go to the IL over everything you could name. Today's pitchers who work 200 innings they have a heavy work load. LOL Setting an "innings threshold" at 150 innings hasn't proven to be worth it. I agree. All this pampering of pitchers doesn’t keep umpteen of them from getting elbow surgery before, during, and after the season. You seldom heard of pitchers needing surgery back in the days when they went out and pitched and didn't worry about pitch counts, and "innings thresholds". |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 18, 2021 12:17:41 GMT -6
I agree. All this pampering of pitchers doesn’t keep umpteen of them from getting elbow surgery before, during, and after the season. You seldom heard of pitchers needing surgery back in the days when they went out and pitched and didn't worry about pitch counts, and "innings thresholds". They say the lower mound has contributed to more prevalence of injuries. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 18, 2021 20:27:10 GMT -6
Since I am old school, I think this "inning threshold" business is a load of crap. We never heard of it until the last few years. Of course, back when we had tough guys playing, they didn't run to the IL with every ache and pain. Managers didn't "rest" them in a big game. Many played both games of nine inning DH's, even some catchers. Top starting pitchers worked 300 ore more innings per season in four man rotations and they didn't go to the IL over everything you could name. Today's pitchers who work 200 innings they have a heavy work load. LOL Setting an "innings threshold" at 150 innings hasn't proven to be worth it. I agree. All this pampering of pitchers doesn’t keep umpteen of them from getting elbow surgery before, during, and after the season. Starting in High School with the TJS |
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Post by Saint on Jul 19, 2021 7:30:28 GMT -6
I personally agree with the side that says we baby pitchers' arms too much. That's one thing that douche, Trevor Bauer has right. You gotta throw a lot and do long toss.
I remember in high school we used to throw a couple hundred pitches every other day not counting weighted balls, long toss, etc. Now they frown upon that as the pitchers get older.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 19, 2021 8:47:57 GMT -6
I agree. All this pampering of pitchers doesn’t keep umpteen of them from getting elbow surgery before, during, and after the season. Starting in High School with the TJS It’s always “we took out a dominating pitcher after 6 innings because of pitch count”. Then, oh his forearm hurts. He’s going to visit Dr. James Andrews (oh no’s!). Surprise, he needs Tommy John surgery. He’ll be fine in a year. Then, that year comes and it’s “oh, well he needs time to get back to his old self”. Meanwhile, they’ve spent $66 million for 6 innings from an over the hill ace. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 19, 2021 8:53:04 GMT -6
I personally agree with the side that says we baby pitchers' arms too much. That's one thing that douche, Trevor Bauer has right. You gotta throw a lot and do long toss. I remember in high school we used to throw a couple hundred pitches every other day not counting weighted balls, long toss, etc. Now they frown upon that as the pitchers get older. exactly my point. Pitchers or any other athlete does what he is trained to do. If you baby pitchers by reducing innings and being overly concerned with pitch counts, you get guys with no endurance who can't give you the innings you need. Starters should have no trouble going seven as far as endurance is concerned. Pitchers who work hard and concentrate on conditioning are less likely to be injured. I'd like to see some of today's wimps go through what Nolan Ryan did to stay in shape and last as long as he did. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 19, 2021 8:54:50 GMT -6
Starting in High School with the TJS It’s always “we took out a dominating pitcher after 6 innings because of pitch count”. Then, oh his forearm hurts. He’s going to visit Dr. James Andrews (oh no’s!). Surprise, he needs Tommy John surgery. He’ll be fine in a year. Then, that year comes and it’s “oh, well he needs time to get back to his old self”. Meanwhile, they’ve spent $66 million for 6 innings from an over the hill ace. I wonder how many had TJ surgery who didn't need it or wouldn't have needed it if they had better conditioning programs. The son of one of my former players had TJ in high school when he was 16. I have always wondered if he needed it, and, if so, why. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 19, 2021 8:59:53 GMT -6
It’s always “we took out a dominating pitcher after 6 innings because of pitch count”. Then, oh his forearm hurts. He’s going to visit Dr. James Andrews (oh no’s!). Surprise, he needs Tommy John surgery. He’ll be fine in a year. Then, that year comes and it’s “oh, well he needs time to get back to his old self”. Meanwhile, they’ve spent $66 million for 6 innings from an over the hill ace. I wonder how many had TJ surgery who didn't need it or wouldn't have needed it if they had better conditioning programs. The son of one of my former players had TJ in high school when he was 16. I have always wondered if he needed it, and, if so, why. People see it as inevitable and want to get it over with as soon as possible so they don’t waste a year in the pros. I’m surprised there hasn’t been a better solution after all these years. It’s also been said that a higher mound allowed for a more complete pitching delivery and thus led to fewer injuries. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 19, 2021 9:40:30 GMT -6
I wonder how many had TJ surgery who didn't need it or wouldn't have needed it if they had better conditioning programs. The son of one of my former players had TJ in high school when he was 16. I have always wondered if he needed it, and, if so, why. People see it as inevitable and want to get it over with as soon as possible so they don’t waste a year in the pros. I’m surprised there hasn’t been a better solution after all these years. It’s also been said that a higheI tr mound allowed for a more complete pitching delivery and thus led to fewer injuries. I think the higher mound theory is correct. Put it back where it was. Manfred has been a disaster as commissioner and needs to be replaced. None of his changes have been beneficial. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 20, 2021 7:12:23 GMT -6
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 20, 2021 13:28:24 GMT -6
Ok so the hypothetical deals I've seen
Max Scherzer for Christian Javier and Pedro Leon and extend Max 3yrs.
Sterling Marte for McCormick and and a low level prospect Marte signs a 3yr deal. Straw moves to 4th OFer.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 20, 2021 13:36:09 GMT -6
I'd offer Whitley Abreu and Javier and leave it at that nothing more |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 20, 2021 14:34:32 GMT -6
I'd offer Whitley Abreu and Javier and leave it at that nothing more Take Javier out of that and add a mid-level pick and I'd do it. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 20, 2021 14:35:50 GMT -6
Ok so the hypothetical deals I've seen Max Scherzer for Christian Javier and Pedro Leon and extend Max 3yrs. Sterling Marte for McCormick and and a low level prospect Marte signs a 3yr deal. Straw moves to 4th OFer. No way do I trade Javier and Leon for a 37 year old pitcher. Neither would I deal McCormick for a 33 year old Marte. There is nothing wrong with the OF we have and McCormick can step in for Brantley in a couple of years. We need relievers and a utility infielder. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 20, 2021 14:36:36 GMT -6
I'd offer Whitley Abreu and Javier and leave it at that nothing more Take Javier out of that and add a mid-level pick and I'd do it. If Lord Strom can’t teach Javier to throw strikes, then I’m fine with trading him. |
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