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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 13, 2021 17:00:42 GMT -6
Correa can just say he plays a more demanding position with better defense and that he has a similar batting average. He can always talk up with postseason walkoff history. Of course, he won’t mention how he goes MIA at times on offense while taking endless meatball pitches, but the other information is enough to get him well paid. All of them go MIA at times on offense, including Altuve. Carlos DOES play a more demanding position and he is a better defensive SS than Jose is a 2B. Jose is a good second baseman, but, I wouldn't put his defense in the elite category. Carlos takes "meatball" pitches at times and swings at pitches out of the zone, and, that is exactly what Yordan does at times. Jose often gets in the habit of going to the plate and just hacking away at whatever he sees. Often, he gets himself out without ever seeing a pitch in the zone. Replacing Correa's defense would be right at impossible. He is also a clutch hitter in the post-season and usually comes through in September. He is due to break out of his slump. Corch sticking up for Carla by using the "but THEY do it to!" constantly:  |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 13, 2021 17:06:06 GMT -6
Remember though on Altuve’s deal bought out the last two year options that the Astros had at real low prices. His aav on the New Years added was around 30 million as best as I can remember. At the time Altuve signed his extension in March 2018, he was already under contract for 2018 at $6 million and 2019 at $6.5 million. His extension paid him a $21 million signing bonus ($1 million paid upon approval of the contract, $10 million paid on 7/1/2018 and $10 million paid on 7/1/2019) and then added 5 years to his contract at $26 million per year. So his extension added $151 million and 5 years (plus some incentives and perks) to the 2-year deal he already had with the team. You are correct. In reality he signed a 5-year extension for $151 million... slightly over $30 million AAV. I thought his total deal turned out to be a 7 year deal for $163m, with a $21M signing bonus. AAV for 7 years $23 AAV... www.spotrac.com/mlb/houston-astros/jose-altuve-8688/#:~:text=Current%20Contract,a%20total%20salary%20of%20%2429%2C000%2C000. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 13, 2021 17:19:33 GMT -6
At the time Altuve signed his extension in March 2018, he was already under contract for 2018 at $6 million and 2019 at $6.5 million. His extension paid him a $21 million signing bonus ($1 million paid upon approval of the contract, $10 million paid on 7/1/2018 and $10 million paid on 7/1/2019) and then added 5 years to his contract at $26 million per year. So his extension added $151 million and 5 years (plus some incentives and perks) to the 2-year deal he already had with the team. You are correct. In reality he signed a 5-year extension for $151 million... slightly over $30 million AAV. I thought his total deal turned out to be a 7 year deal for $163m, with a $21M signing bonus. AAV for 7 years $23 AAV... www.spotrac.com/mlb/houston-astros/jose-altuve-8688/#:~:text=Current%20Contract,a%20total%20salary%20of%20%2429%2C000%2C000. 151 + 6 + 6.5 = 163 |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 13, 2021 17:23:08 GMT -6
Naught + naught = naught
— Jethro Bodine
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 13, 2021 18:19:12 GMT -6
All of them go MIA at times on offense, including Altuve. Carlos DOES play a more demanding position and he is a better defensive SS than Jose is a 2B. Jose is a good second baseman, but, I wouldn't put his defense in the elite category. Carlos takes "meatball" pitches at times and swings at pitches out of the zone, and, that is exactly what Yordan does at times. Jose often gets in the habit of going to the plate and just hacking away at whatever he sees. Often, he gets himself out without ever seeing a pitch in the zone. Replacing Correa's defense would be right at impossible. He is also a clutch hitter in the post-season and usually comes through in September. He is due to break out of his slump. Corch sticking up for Carla by using the "but THEY do it to!" constantly: We didn't need to see a photo of your hero. If Corch had stuck up for Jose, you'd be fine with it. LOL |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 25, 2021 8:42:09 GMT -6
If Correa leaves in the off-season, what would you think of Aledmys Diaz at SS next season? Or Bregman at SS and Diaz at 3B?
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 25, 2021 9:02:18 GMT -6
If Correa leaves in the off-season, what would you think of Aledmys Diaz at SS next season? Or Bregman at SS and Diaz at 3B? Not a horrible idea. If Aledmys continues to hit well, he's earned the right to be an everyday player. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 25, 2021 9:25:21 GMT -6
If Correa leaves in the off-season, what would you think of Aledmys Diaz at SS next season? Or Bregman at SS and Diaz at 3B? If Correa leaves, I think the best idea may be Bregman at SS and Diaz at 3B, but, either would work. I'd rather keep Correa and have Diaz as the guy you can plug in anywhere. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 25, 2021 9:29:44 GMT -6
If Correa leaves in the off-season, what would you think of Aledmys Diaz at SS next season? Or Bregman at SS and Diaz at 3B? Not a horrible idea. If Aledmys continues to hit well, he's earned the right to be an everyday player. I agree. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2021 9:40:33 GMT -6
My only concern is that Diaz has proven to be just as much of a health concern as Correa (and Bregman recently).
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 25, 2021 9:41:23 GMT -6
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Post by olpapa on Aug 25, 2021 10:05:07 GMT -6
I read an article recently that suggested that both Correa and Seager are likely to get deals similar to the Lindor deal. Just because other teams make crazy deals doesn’t mean the Astros have to. To quote Curly Bill - “Bye” |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2021 10:31:31 GMT -6
I read an article recently that suggested that both Correa and Seager are likely to get deals similar to the Lindor deal. Just because other teams make crazy deals doesn’t mean the Astros have to. To quote Curly Bill - “Bye” Lindor having an underwhelming season might change things up a little. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 25, 2021 10:36:58 GMT -6
I refuse to believe that Correa would declare he’s leaving while employed by the Astros. That’s beyond disrespectful to not only the team but also the fans who’ve been clamoring for his re-signing. He had to have been misquoted.
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2021 10:40:52 GMT -6
The comment being circulated was from months ago probably during his brief extensions talks. It's being overhyped.
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Post by olpapa on Aug 25, 2021 10:53:22 GMT -6
I read an article recently that suggested that both Correa and Seager are likely to get deals similar to the Lindor deal. Just because other teams make crazy deals doesn’t mean the Astros have to. To quote Curly Bill - “Bye” Lindor having an underwhelming season might change things up a little. Has there ever been one of these crazy mega deals that worked out well for a team? Lindor is just one example of what players tend to do once they’ve got that massive contract in hand. Trout is another example. Signed a $426 million 12 year deal in 2019. He has spent practically this entire season sitting on his butt. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2021 10:56:42 GMT -6
Lindor having an underwhelming season might change things up a little. Has there ever been one of these crazy mega deals that worked out well for a team? Lindor is just one example of what players tend to do once they’ve got that massive contract in hand. Trout is another example. Signed a $426 million 12 year deal in 2019. He has spent practically this entire season sitting on his butt. Not off the top of my head from a player production standpoint. But do the teams make money in ticket and merchandise to make them worthwhile? Probably. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 25, 2021 11:11:17 GMT -6
I refuse to believe that Correa would declare he’s leaving while employed by the Astros. That’s beyond disrespectful to not only the team but also the fans who’ve been clamoring for his re-signing. He had to have been misquoted. ***** |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 25, 2021 20:36:15 GMT -6
Would anyone want Story if he is Much cheaper than Correa?
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 25, 2021 20:41:52 GMT -6
Would anyone want Story if he is Much cheaper than Correa? If people think Correa is too much all-glove, I doubt they’d like Story. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 25, 2021 20:54:33 GMT -6
Would anyone want Story if he is Much cheaper than Correa? If people think Correa is too much all-glove, I doubt they’d like Story. We don't have to have Babe Ruth at SS! |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 25, 2021 20:56:02 GMT -6
If people think Correa is too much all-glove, I doubt they’d like Story. We don't have to have Babe Ruth at SS! I agree. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 25, 2021 21:55:56 GMT -6
Would anyone want Story if he is Much cheaper than Correa? Story may be about half the player Correa is if he's that good. I am not sure his stats give a clear picture of him since he plays at Coors Field. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 26, 2021 8:20:57 GMT -6
Ok. Altuve is due $29 million a year each year 2022-2024 and becomes a free agent in 2025. Bregman is due $13 million in 2022 and $30.5 million in 2023 and 2024 and becomes a free agent in 2025. If I am not mistaken, Cole’s contract he signed with NYY currently pays the highest AAV at $36 million per year.
Would you offer Correa 3/110? This would allow him to remain with the Astros through the end of Altuve’s current contract, make him the highest paid player in MLB by AAV and allow him to become a free agent again at age 30. Do you think Correa would accept such a deal?
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 26, 2021 8:35:31 GMT -6
Ok. Altuve is due $29 million a year each year 2022-2024 and becomes a free agent in 2025. Bregman is due $13 million in 2022 and $30.5 million in 2023 and 2024 and becomes a free agent in 2025. If I am not mistaken, Cole’s contract he signed with NYY currently pays the highest AAV at $36 million per year. Would you offer Correa 3/110? This would allow him to remain with the Astros through the end of Altuve’s current contract, make him the highest paid player in MLB by AAV and allow him to become a free agent again at age 30. Do you think Correa would accept such a deal? 1 - Yes, I would. I'd even consider overpaying him for four years. 2 - Hard to guess. I'd say no, but I could be wrong. *shrug* |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 26, 2021 9:23:43 GMT -6
Ok. Altuve is due $29 million a year each year 2022-2024 and becomes a free agent in 2025. Bregman is due $13 million in 2022 and $30.5 million in 2023 and 2024 and becomes a free agent in 2025. If I am not mistaken, Cole’s contract he signed with NYY currently pays the highest AAV at $36 million per year. Would you offer Correa 3/110? This would allow him to remain with the Astros through the end of Altuve’s current contract, make him the highest paid player in MLB by AAV and allow him to become a free agent again at age 30. Do you think Correa would accept such a deal? That sounds more than fair. If the number of years on the contract is Correa's priority, he would decline. The money per year is as much or more than he should expect. I'd offer it and see what happens. Would you extend a QO to Greinke? If he declines, should we move on? I would take the compensatory pick for losing him and invest the money on another top FA pitcher who is younger, preferably a good left-hander. I haven't checked the list of pitchers who will become FA's at the end of the season. I just don't want to invest a lot of money in Greinke. I expect to lose Verlander so that money is off the books, too. We would have the money to give Correa a 3yr/$110 millon contract and still have money to invest in pitching. With the emergence of Meyers and McCormick, we have a solid, young OF under club control for several years so we don't need to spend money there. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 26, 2021 9:53:22 GMT -6
Ok. Altuve is due $29 million a year each year 2022-2024 and becomes a free agent in 2025. Bregman is due $13 million in 2022 and $30.5 million in 2023 and 2024 and becomes a free agent in 2025. If I am not mistaken, Cole’s contract he signed with NYY currently pays the highest AAV at $36 million per year. Would you offer Correa 3/110? This would allow him to remain with the Astros through the end of Altuve’s current contract, make him the highest paid player in MLB by AAV and allow him to become a free agent again at age 30. Do you think Correa would accept such a deal? That sounds more than fair. If the number of years on the contract is Correa's priority, he would decline. The money per year is as much or more than he should expect. I'd offer it and see what happens. Would you extend a QO to Greinke? If he declines, should we move on? I would take the compensatory pick for losing him and invest the money on another top FA pitcher who is younger, preferably a good left-hander. I haven't checked the list of pitchers who will become FA's at the end of the season. I just don't want to invest a lot of money in Greinke. I expect to lose Verlander so that money is off the books, too. We would have the money to give Correa a 3yr/$110 millon contract and still have money to invest in pitching. With the emergence of Meyers and McCormick, we have a solid, young OF under club control for several years so we don't need to spend money there. Greinke is ineligible for a qualifying offer because he has had one given to him before. Would you make a qualifying offer to Verlander? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 26, 2021 9:54:21 GMT -6
That sounds more than fair. If the number of years on the contract is Correa's priority, he would decline. The money per year is as much or more than he should expect. I'd offer it and see what happens. Would you extend a QO to Greinke? If he declines, should we move on? I would take the compensatory pick for losing him and invest the money on another top FA pitcher who is younger, preferably a good left-hander. I haven't checked the list of pitchers who will become FA's at the end of the season. I just don't want to invest a lot of money in Greinke. I expect to lose Verlander so that money is off the books, too. We would have the money to give Correa a 3yr/$110 millon contract and still have money to invest in pitching. With the emergence of Meyers and McCormick, we have a solid, young OF under club control for several years so we don't need to spend money there. Greinke is ineligible for a qualifying offer because he has had one given to him before. Would you make a qualifying offer to Verlander? I think we should. 1yr 19mil is what it would be. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 26, 2021 10:49:21 GMT -6
Greinke is ineligible for a qualifying offer because he has had one given to him before. Would you make a qualifying offer to Verlander? I think we should revisit that in a couple of months. Maybe he'll be throwing some sessions and a more informed decision can be made. It appears to be almost certain, he won't be on the postseason roster. Justin Verlander And The Qualifying OfferRather than a QO, maybe a creative 2-year deal might be cheaper and safer. Say, 1 year @ $10MM and a team option year for a second year @ $25MM with a $5MM buyout. JV pocketed a lot of Astros money for very little time on the mound so he might be willing to agree to something that benefits the team. Idk. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 26, 2021 11:06:57 GMT -6
Greinke is ineligible for a qualifying offer because he has had one given to him before. Would you make a qualifying offer to Verlander? I think we should revisit that in a couple of months. Maybe he'll be throwing some sessions and a more informed decision can be made. It appears to be almost certain, he won't be on the postseason roster. Justin Verlander And The Qualifying OfferRather than a QO, maybe a creative 2-year deal might be cheaper and safer. Say, 1 year @ $10MM and a team option year for a second year @ $25MM with a $5MM buyout. JV pocketed a lot of Astros money for very little time on the mound so he might be willing to agree to something that benefits the team. Idk. Seems like I read somewhere that JV had commented that he hadn’t earned his money on the contact he signed for 2020-2021. If he feels that way he may be willing to accept a deal like you proposed. |
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