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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 26, 2021 11:07:37 GMT -6
Greinke is ineligible for a qualifying offer because he has had one given to him before. Would you make a qualifying offer to Verlander? I think we should revisit that in a couple of months. Maybe he'll be throwing some sessions and a more informed decision can be made. It appears to be almost certain, he won't be on the postseason roster. Justin Verlander And The Qualifying OfferRather than a QO, maybe a creative 2-year deal might be cheaper and safer. Say, 1 year @ $10MM and a team option year for a second year @ $25MM with a $5MM buyout. JV pocketed a lot of Astros money for very little time on the mound so he might be willing to agree to something that benefits the team. Idk. I would offer him a 2/38 contract. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 26, 2021 11:13:10 GMT -6
Greinke is ineligible for a qualifying offer because he has had one given to him before. Would you make a qualifying offer to Verlander? I think we should. 1yr 19mil is what it would be. I have seen a couple of times that Verlander said he feels like he owes the Astros for missing all this time and not being there when needed. I think we definitely should make him a QO and go higher if necessary. A healthy JV could be just what we need next year. It would be like replacing Greinke with him. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 26, 2021 14:50:38 GMT -6
I think we should revisit that in a couple of months. Maybe he'll be throwing some sessions and a more informed decision can be made. It appears to be almost certain, he won't be on the postseason roster. Justin Verlander And The Qualifying OfferRather than a QO, maybe a creative 2-year deal might be cheaper and safer. Say, 1 year @ $10MM and a team option year for a second year @ $25MM with a $5MM buyout. JV pocketed a lot of Astros money for very little time on the mound so he might be willing to agree to something that benefits the team. Idk. Seems like I read somewhere that JV had commented that he hadn’t earned his money on the contact he signed for 2020-2021. If he feels that way he may be willing to accept a deal like you proposed. The numbers and years I suggested might be way off the mark but I reckon if the Astros decide they want to keep JV, it's likely to be a very easy conversation to reach a mutually beneficial deal. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 26, 2021 14:53:33 GMT -6
Seems like I read somewhere that JV had commented that he hadn’t earned his money on the contact he signed for 2020-2021. If he feels that way he may be willing to accept a deal like you proposed. The numbers and years I suggested might be way off the mark but I reckon if the Astros decide they want to keep JV, it's likely to be a very easy conversation to reach a mutually beneficial deal. We need to keep him in Houston. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 26, 2021 14:56:50 GMT -6
The numbers and years I suggested might be way off the mark but I reckon if the Astros decide they want to keep JV, it's likely to be a very easy conversation to reach a mutually beneficial deal. We need to keep him in Houston. You’d rather keep Old Man Verlander over Correa? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 26, 2021 15:00:47 GMT -6
We need to keep him in Houston. You’d rather keep Old Man Verlander over Correa? If he had, I'm going to get olpapa to go over there and haul his ass to the Rusk State Hospital. LOL |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 26, 2021 15:03:33 GMT -6
You’d rather keep Old Man Verlander over Correa? If he had, I'm going to get olpapa to go over there and haul his ass to the Rusk State Hospital. LOL In terms of “need”: Correa > Verlander |
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Post by Saint on Aug 26, 2021 15:17:10 GMT -6
If he had, I'm going to get olpapa to go over there and haul his ass to the Rusk State Hospital. LOL In terms of “need”: Correa > Verlander I agree, but I don't think it needs to be one or the other. They can easily get both if they want. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 26, 2021 15:24:00 GMT -6
We need to keep him in Houston. You’d rather keep Old Man Verlander over Correa? Verlander will not be anywhere close on salary. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 26, 2021 15:28:07 GMT -6
In terms of “need”: Correa > Verlander I agree, but I don't think it needs to be one or the other. They can easily get both if they want. I wish. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 26, 2021 15:28:47 GMT -6
Post #150k. It's been fun!
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 26, 2021 15:33:19 GMT -6
You’d rather keep Old Man Verlander over Correa? Verlander will not be anywhere close on salary. Young expensive guy vs. old fresh off Tommy John surgery POSSIBLY inexpensive guy. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 26, 2021 15:42:08 GMT -6
The numbers and years I suggested might be way off the mark but I reckon if the Astros decide they want to keep JV, it's likely to be a very easy conversation to reach a mutually beneficial deal. We need to keep him in Houston. I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm wholly uncertain what to expect regarding Verlander's performance next season. If the front office is optimistic and they feel he fits, I do hope they can come to a reasonable agreement. Even if he isn't the dominating force he once was, there's benefit in having an experienced veteran. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Aug 26, 2021 15:53:44 GMT -6
Verlander will not be anywhere close on salary. Young expensive guy vs. old fresh off Tommy John surgery POSSIBLY inexpensive guy. Young, incredibly expensive guy who will continue to be incredibly expensive for the next 7-8 years while you hold your breath hoping he doesn't continued to get injured left and right like he has for the last half decade vs. Old fresh off Tommy John surgery probably inexpensive guy who will probably be inexpensive and only on a 1-2 year contract |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 26, 2021 16:09:52 GMT -6
In terms of “need”: Correa > Verlander I agree, but I don't think it needs to be one or the other. They can easily get both if they want. Agreed. We will have the money to keep both, especially if we don't bring Greinke back. If Verlander won't accept a one-year deal, it might be a good idea to make an offer to Zack at significantly lower price than we are paying him now. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 26, 2021 16:26:21 GMT -6
I agree, but I don't think it needs to be one or the other. They can easily get both if they want. Agreed. We will have the money to keep both, especially if we don't bring Greinke back. If Verlander won't accept a one-year deal, it might be a good idea to make an offer to Zack at significantly lower price than we are paying him now. If Greinke gets in the way of Verlander or Correa, Click should shoot himself. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 26, 2021 18:20:04 GMT -6
Agreed. We will have the money to keep both, especially if we don't bring Greinke back. If Verlander won't accept a one-year deal, it might be a good idea to make an offer to Zack at significantly lower price than we are paying him now. If Greinke gets in the way of Verlander or Correa, Click should shoot himself. No doubt about that. I think Click will be active this off-season. I can see a 2nd tier SS and several arms added this winter. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 26, 2021 18:28:50 GMT -6
If Greinke gets in the way of Verlander or Correa, Click should shoot himself. No doubt about that. I think Click will be active this off-season. I can see a 2nd tier SS and several arms added this winter. I agree... |
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Post by churchill on Aug 26, 2021 19:06:19 GMT -6
Correa said this is his last year in Houston
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Post by abregmanfan on Aug 26, 2021 19:07:35 GMT -6
Correa said this is his last year in Houston Yes, we know. All but a few of us have agreed to let him go! |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 26, 2021 19:11:30 GMT -6
Correa said this is his last year in Houston Yes, we know. All but a few of us have agreed to let him go! I really hope he goes to Baltimore....he sells out for the money. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 26, 2021 20:38:16 GMT -6
Agreed. We will have the money to keep both, especially if we don't bring Greinke back. If Verlander won't accept a one-year deal, it might be a good idea to make an offer to Zack at significantly lower price than we are paying him now. If Greinke gets in the way of Verlander or Correa, Click should shoot himself. I'll load the gun and hand it to him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 26, 2021 20:40:43 GMT -6
Correa said this is his last year in Houston Yes, we know. All but a few of us have agreed to let him go! Did we HEAR him say it or did we read where he said it? Big difference. I'm guessing what he actually said has been taken out of context. When I hear him say it, I'll believe it and join the rest who wants to let him go......even though he is the best player on the team by the numbers. His defense is elite and better than any player on the team. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 28, 2021 10:22:54 GMT -6
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Post by olpapa on Oct 13, 2021 11:02:21 GMT -6
I predict that Crane’s final offer to Correa will be a 7-8 year deal with a AAV of $31 million. That would be 7 years, $217 million or 8 years, $248 million. If Crane makes that kind of offer, do you think Correa will stay in Houston?
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 13, 2021 11:06:33 GMT -6
I predict that Crane’s final offer to Correa will be a 7-8 year deal with a AAV of $31 million. That would be 7 years, $217 million or 8 years, $248 million. If Crane makes that kind of offer, do you think Correa will stay in Houston? I think he’ll go for $300 million. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 13, 2021 11:17:12 GMT -6
I predict that Crane’s final offer to Correa will be a 7-8 year deal with a AAV of $31 million. That would be 7 years, $217 million or 8 years, $248 million. If Crane makes that kind of offer, do you think Correa will stay in Houston? Here's what I think. Carlos will shop himself to all interested teams and won't be in a rush to sign. He'll be the first domino to fall for teams looking to upgrade at SS. He should know that patience is his friend. So it all depends on what the other teams offer. I think he'll leave a little bit on the table to keep the band together. I don't think he'll leave a lot on the table. JMO |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 13, 2021 11:31:58 GMT -6
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Post by olpapa on Oct 13, 2021 11:40:58 GMT -6
Texas does not have a state income tax and both California and New York do (and some cities within those states also have their own city income tax). Correa would realize more money per year at $31 million AAV in Texas than he would at $35 million AAV in California or New York after income taxes are deducted.
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Post by Saint on Oct 13, 2021 11:58:53 GMT -6
Texas does not have a state income tax and both California and New York do (and some cities within those states also have their own city income tax). Correa would realize more money per year at $31 million AAV in Texas than he would at $35 million AAV in California or New York after income taxes are deducted. I can see it going one of two ways with Correa: 1. Correa will want to be the highest paid shortstop in either AAV or total contract. Even if it's just barely more than Lindor. Just so that he can say that he was the highest paid SS for a time. Bragging rights. He won't even care whether it's actually more after taxes and such. 2. He takes a deal from the Astros (for a substantial amount but maybe not quite as much as he could get elsewhere) and broadcasts all over how he "sacrificed" to continue to build Houston into a powerhouse. (Knowing full well that it's really in the best interests of both to get a deal done.) He also works in his deal how he wants some level of say-so in baseball operations (like a good QB or Lebron, Harden, etc.). Correa knows that the more successful his teams are in the postseason, the more it does for his "brand" and legacy. He has seen players like Rendon, Machado, and Lindor follow the money and then go immediately go nowhere, falling off the national radar. Correa doesn't want that. He thrives on the attention. So I don't think money is exactly the main issue. It will be the overall statement (and how he can spin it) of the contract that he feels helps his legacy. The Astros obviously get quite a bit of negative attention, but I think he kind of likes being looked at asthe bad guy (to an extent) as long they're winning. Staying with the Astros and this awesome core of players (with an ever remaining/growing window of success thanks to Yordan, Tucker, the SPs, Meyers, etc.) and continuing the advancement of a potential dynasty MUST intrigue him some. But certainly he feels he deserves to be compensated well for that, and he should be. But can they come in an agreement on what that compensation is? I have doubts... |
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