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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 13, 2021 13:19:17 GMT -6
I wouldn’t offer that to Verlander. Isn’t it true that if he signs after the draft, then the Astros wouldn’t get a pick? That’s what happened when Keuchel signed with the Braves. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 13, 2021 14:07:21 GMT -6
I wouldn’t offer that to Verlander. Isn’t it true that if he signs after the draft, then the Astros wouldn’t get a pick? That’s what happened when Keuchel signed with the Braves. I would have to see a very thorough physical report on Verlander before deciding on making him a QO. Our primary concern should be re-signing Correa. Get that settled and they should know what they need to do next. |
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Post by dafish on Oct 13, 2021 14:28:15 GMT -6
One of those FS1 nit wit Talking Heads yesterday was saying Correa might gt $400M in next contract.
I sure hope Crain isn't that stupid.
As much as I hated to see George Springer go, I wonder how badly he misses playing baseball in October?
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 13, 2021 14:59:57 GMT -6
One of those FS1 nit wit Talking Heads yesterday was saying Correa might gt $400M in next contract. I sure hope Crain isn't that stupid. As much as I hated to see George Springer go, I wonder how badly he misses playing baseball in October? No way...That type of contract kills your team in years to come.. I still like my 3 year overpay contract....Heck make it 3 years/$120M, with a team option of $45M for year 4. |
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Post by dafish on Oct 13, 2021 15:03:32 GMT -6
One of those FS1 nit wit Talking Heads yesterday was saying Correa might gt $400M in next contract. I sure hope Crain isn't that stupid. As much as I hated to see George Springer go, I wonder how badly he misses playing baseball in October? No way...That type of contract kills your team in years to come.. I still like my 3 year overpay contract....Heck make it 3 years/$120M, with a team option of $45M for year 4. And Bobby Bonilla still gets $500K a year for 2022 and 2023. Now that's the agent I would have wanted. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 13, 2021 15:33:21 GMT -6
I wouldn’t offer that to Verlander. Isn’t it true that if he signs after the draft, then the Astros wouldn’t get a pick? That’s what happened when Keuchel signed with the Braves. It doesn’t cost you anything if he doesn’t accept it. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 13, 2021 15:49:05 GMT -6
I wouldn’t offer that to Verlander. Isn’t it true that if he signs after the draft, then the Astros wouldn’t get a pick? That’s what happened when Keuchel signed with the Braves. It doesn’t cost you anything if he doesn’t accept it. I meant what if he declines and another team due to his age signs him late in the season after the draft? There would be no draft pick to gain since the draft passed. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 13, 2021 16:01:59 GMT -6
I wouldn’t offer that to Verlander. Isn’t it true that if he signs after the draft, then the Astros wouldn’t get a pick? That’s what happened when Keuchel signed with the Braves. Correct. If Verlander rejects a QO and is signed by another team BEFORE the June draft, the signing team loses a pick and the Astros gain a supplemental pick. If not signed before the June draft, there is no team losing a pick and the Astros don't gain a supplemental pick. But that's not really a reason to not throw a QO at him. If he declines the QO, he'll be able to negotiate an agreement (before June) with the Astros that's surely better than he would get from another team, considering the other team would lose a pick. If he signs with another team after June, he presents even less value because a big chunk of the season will already be in the rearview mirror.
My concern would be that a QO, if accepted, would be an overpay. At least in my opinion. He only pitched 6 innings in one game in 2020. And not at all in 2021. Who has even the slightest clue how good he'll be in 2022? I surely don't. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 13, 2021 16:31:40 GMT -6
I wouldn’t offer that to Verlander. Isn’t it true that if he signs after the draft, then the Astros wouldn’t get a pick? That’s what happened when Keuchel signed with the Braves. Correct. If Verlander rejects a QO and is signed by another team BEFORE the June draft, the signing team loses a pick and the Astros gain a supplemental pick. If not signed before the June draft, there is no team losing a pick and the Astros don't gain a supplemental pick. But that's not really a reason to not throw a QO at him. If he declines the QO, he'll be able to negotiate an agreement (before June) with the Astros that's surely better than he would get from another team, considering the other team would lose a pick. If he signs with another team after June, he presents even less value because a big chunk of the season will already be in the rearview mirror.
My concern would be that a QO, if accepted, would be an overpay. At least in my opinion. He only pitched 6 innings in one game in 2020. And not at all in 2021. Who has even the slightest clue how good he'll be in 2022? I surely don't. You just want Verlander back, plus sign Correa!!! You're a Secret Agent!!! A Spy!!! Just like that black chick that is going to be the next Bond!!! Someone that no one saw it was coming, unless you were Woke. This post just teetered the: Don't talk about this shit on this forum, you stupid MF!!! BTW You get a pass if it is just meant to be stupid, because you're a person no one takes seriesly. |
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Post by dafish on Oct 13, 2021 16:41:39 GMT -6
I wouldn’t offer that to Verlander. Isn’t it true that if he signs after the draft, then the Astros wouldn’t get a pick? That’s what happened when Keuchel signed with the Braves. Correct. If Verlander rejects a QO and is signed by another team BEFORE the June draft, the signing team loses a pick and the Astros gain a supplemental pick. If not signed before the June draft, there is no team losing a pick and the Astros don't gain a supplemental pick. But that's not really a reason to not throw a QO at him. If he declines the QO, he'll be able to negotiate an agreement (before June) with the Astros that's surely better than he would get from another team, considering the other team would lose a pick. If he signs with another team after June, he presents even less value because a big chunk of the season will already be in the rearview mirror.
My concern would be that a QO, if accepted, would be an overpay. At least in my opinion. He only pitched 6 innings in one game in 2020. And not at all in 2021. Who has even the slightest clue how good he'll be in 2022? I surely don't. Then add the fact that he will be showing up at Spring Training at about his 39th birthday. I know the team got burnt thinking Nolan Ryan was too old, but there is a lot of downside risk to SP's that old. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 13, 2021 17:23:19 GMT -6
Then add the fact that he will be showing up at Spring Training at about his 39th birthday. I know the team got burnt thinking Nolan Ryan was too old, but there is a lot of downside risk to SP's that old. The Ryan Express turned 41 before his final year with Houston even started. I can understand the age concern. But he threw well over 200 innings in each of his last two years with Houston. And they were high quality innings. JV on the other hand, hasn't done squat for two years. I wouldn't hold age against him as much as the average MLB pitcher, although lasting as long as Nolan Ryan did would seem highly unlikely. It's the lack of recent activity that makes me very cautious. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 13, 2021 17:25:07 GMT -6
You just want Verlander back, plus sign Correa!!! You're a Secret Agent!!! A Spy!!! Just like that black chick that is going to be the next Bond!!! Someone that no one saw it was coming, unless you were Woke. This post just teetered the: Don't talk about this shit on this forum, you stupid MF!!! BTW You get a pass if it is just meant to be stupid, because you're a person no one takes seriesly. Dammit, Thomas. You blew my cover. *takes cyanide pill* |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 13, 2021 17:25:51 GMT -6
It doesn’t cost you anything if he doesn’t accept it. I meant what if he declines and another team due to his age signs him late in the season after the draft? There would be no draft pick to gain since the draft passed. So? He won't be under contract with us. What he does is his business and we don't have any claim on compensation for a free agent. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 13, 2021 17:46:12 GMT -6
I meant what if he declines and another team due to his age signs him late in the season after the draft? There would be no draft pick to gain since the draft passed. So? He won't be under contract with us. What he does is his business and we don't have any claim on compensation for a free agent. I guess. I just hope they get a pick for him. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 13, 2021 17:47:57 GMT -6
QO to JV. No reason not to.
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 13, 2021 17:49:27 GMT -6
You just want Verlander back, plus sign Correa!!! You're a Secret Agent!!! A Spy!!! Just like that black chick that is going to be the next Bond!!! Someone that no one saw it was coming, unless you were Woke. This post just teetered the: Don't talk about this shit on this forum, you stupid MF!!! BTW You get a pass if it is just meant to be stupid, because you're a person no one takes seriesly. Dammit, Thomas. You blew my cover. *takes cyanide pill* Better recognize the recognition! |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 13, 2021 17:54:18 GMT -6
QO to JV. No reason not to. I guess there’s no such thing as a bad 1-year deal. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 13, 2021 18:06:54 GMT -6
One of those FS1 nit wit Talking Heads yesterday was saying Correa might gt $400M in next contract. I sure hope Crain isn't that stupid. As much as I hated to see George Springer go, I wonder how badly he misses playing baseball in October? No way...That type of contract kills your team in years to come.. I still like my 3 year overpay contract....Heck make it 3 years/$120M, with a team option of $45M for year 4. If it was money only, he would take that. I think he's more concerned with the length of the contract. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 13, 2021 18:08:01 GMT -6
QO to JV. No reason not to. Never hurts to try. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 13, 2021 18:36:30 GMT -6
No way...That type of contract kills your team in years to come.. I still like my 3 year overpay contract....Heck make it 3 years/$120M, with a team option of $45M for year 4. If it was money only, he would take that. I think he's more concerned with the length of the contract. We should all be too |
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Post by Saint on Oct 13, 2021 18:56:30 GMT -6
I wouldn’t offer that to Verlander. Isn’t it true that if he signs after the draft, then the Astros wouldn’t get a pick? That’s what happened when Keuchel signed with the Braves. Correct. If Verlander rejects a QO and is signed by another team BEFORE the June draft, the signing team loses a pick and the Astros gain a supplemental pick. If not signed before the June draft, there is no team losing a pick and the Astros don't gain a supplemental pick. But that's not really a reason to not throw a QO at him. If he declines the QO, he'll be able to negotiate an agreement (before June) with the Astros that's surely better than he would get from another team, considering the other team would lose a pick. If he signs with another team after June, he presents even less value because a big chunk of the season will already be in the rearview mirror.
My concern would be that a QO, if accepted, would be an overpay. At least in my opinion. He only pitched 6 innings in one game in 2020. And not at all in 2021. Who has even the slightest clue how good he'll be in 2022? I surely don't. Verlander is a generational type player. I don't think it's a big deal if you overpay for one year of him. The buzz for the team and jersey sales probably balance it all out anyways. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 13, 2021 18:57:09 GMT -6
QO to JV. No reason not to. I guess there’s no such thing as a bad 1-year deal. Exactly. And if you're going to overpay a SP for one year, I'd rather it be a fan favorite future HoFer. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 13, 2021 19:13:24 GMT -6
I predict that Crane’s final offer to Correa will be a 7-8 year deal with a AAV of $31 million. That would be 7 years, $217 million or 8 years, $248 million. If Crane makes that kind of offer, do you think Correa will stay in Houston? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 13, 2021 19:19:07 GMT -6
I guess there’s no such thing as a bad 1-year deal. Exactly. And if you're going to overpay a SP for one year, I'd rather it be a fan favorite future HoFer. If he is healthy and will sign a one-year deal, we need to get it done. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 13, 2021 19:20:52 GMT -6
I predict that Crane’s final offer to Correa will be a 7-8 year deal with a AAV of $31 million. That would be 7 years, $217 million or 8 years, $248 million. If Crane makes that kind of offer, do you think Correa will stay in Houston? I think Crane will at least go 7/225 and he might go the 9/295. Crane wants Correa and so do the players and fans. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 13, 2021 19:25:30 GMT -6
I guess there’s no such thing as a bad 1-year deal. Exactly. And if you're going to overpay a SP for one year, I'd rather it be a fan favorite future HoFer. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 13, 2021 19:32:13 GMT -6
Dammit, Thomas. You blew my cover. *takes cyanide pill* Better recognize the recognition! I knew it! Thomas isn't a real person. It's just an alt account of ɮօʀȶǟʐ  |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 13, 2021 19:39:36 GMT -6
I predict that Crane’s final offer to Correa will be a 7-8 year deal with a AAV of $31 million. That would be 7 years, $217 million or 8 years, $248 million. If Crane makes that kind of offer, do you think Correa will stay in Houston? I can see Crane offering a contract with a AAV in the $31-$32 million range. A 8-year contract would take Correa through his age 34 season. Altuve’s extension carries him through his age 34 season. I can’t see Crane agreeing to a long-term contract that will be paying any player $30 million + well beyond their age 34 season. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 13, 2021 19:47:58 GMT -6
I predict Crane's offer will be 7yr/$225M. Someone will offer 9yr/$295M and he'll take it I can see Crane offering a contract with a AAV in the $31-$32 million range. A 8-year contract would take Correa through his age 34 season. Altuve’s extension carries him through his age 34 season. I can’t see Crane agreeing to a long-term contract that will be paying any player $30 million + well beyond their age 34 season. My hunch is since Click doesn't want to go longer than 6yrs for Carlos, Crane will press for 7 and get his way since he's the owner. I have to admit I'd offer Correa 8yr/$260M if I were GM. With his arm I think we can move him to LF when he starts showing he's on the wrong side of 30
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 13, 2021 19:52:10 GMT -6
I guess there’s no such thing as a bad 1-year deal. Exactly. And if you're going to overpay a SP for one year, I'd rather it be a fan favorite future HoFer. Look at you disobeying your robot protocols for a fan favorite. |
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