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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 13, 2021 19:53:03 GMT -6
Better recognize the recognition! I knew it! Thomas isn't a real person. It's just an alt account of ɮօʀȶǟʐ  He is not that funny... |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 13, 2021 20:04:35 GMT -6
Better recognize the recognition! I knew it! Thomas isn't a real person. It's just an alt account of ɮօʀȶǟʐ That’s my second alt account in just over a week! |
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Post by Saint on Oct 13, 2021 20:04:40 GMT -6
Exactly. And if you're going to overpay a SP for one year, I'd rather it be a fan favorite future HoFer. Look at you disobeying your robot protocols for a fan favorite. I just feel like it's a no-brainer from a potential value standpoint. If he's good, he's worth more than the QO. If he isn't good, it was only one year. If he doesn't take it and signs somewhere else before June, we get an extra pick. If he doesn't take it and doesn't sign before June, we lose nothing. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 13, 2021 20:15:29 GMT -6
I knew it! Thomas isn't a real person. It's just an alt account of ɮօʀȶǟʐ That’s my second alt account in just over a week! UR sew ...  |
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Post by Saint on Oct 13, 2021 21:25:45 GMT -6
 That doesn't bode well. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 13, 2021 21:26:11 GMT -6
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Post by dafish on Oct 13, 2021 21:58:44 GMT -6
That doesn't bode well. I have heard players discuss their worth in statistical terms many times, especially in the past 10 years. But I think this is the first time I have seen a guy quote his WAR as a factor. Can I say this comes across Prima Donna-ish? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 13, 2021 22:34:45 GMT -6
No matter what happens with Correa, Crane and Click botched this in Spring Training.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 13, 2021 22:36:48 GMT -6
I can see Crane offering a contract with a AAV in the $31-$32 million range. A 8-year contract would take Correa through his age 34 season. Altuve’s extension carries him through his age 34 season. I can’t see Crane agreeing to a long-term contract that will be paying any player $30 million + well beyond their age 34 season. My hunch is since Click doesn't want to go longer than 6yrs for Carlos, Crane will press for 7 and get his way since he's the owner. I have to admit I'd offer Correa 8yr/$260M if I were GM. With his arm I think we can move him to LF when he starts showing he's on the wrong side of 30
Crane will make the final offer so Click's opinion may not have much influence. Click's Tampa Bay mentality should not play a part in this. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 13, 2021 22:41:36 GMT -6
I predict Crane's offer will be 7yr/$225M. Someone will offer 9yr/$295M and he'll take it I can see Crane offering a contract with a AAV in the $31-$32 million range. A 8-year contract would take Correa through his age 34 season. Altuve’s extension carries him through his age 34 season. I can’t see Crane agreeing to a long-term contract that will be paying any player $30 million + well beyond their age 34 season. The idea of offering him a deal that would take him to age 34 sounds reasonable, but, bear's idea of an 8yr deal at $260million would not be unreasonable. Correa's presence means a lot to this franchise, the fan base, and the city of Houston. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 13, 2021 22:42:37 GMT -6
No matter what happens with Correa, Crane and Click botched this in Spring Training. Yes, they did. They basically insulted him with the offer. |
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Post by dafish on Oct 13, 2021 22:47:26 GMT -6
No matter what happens with Correa, Crane and Click botched this in Spring Training. Yes, they did. They basically insulted him with the offer. An usually 4 out of 5 times, this negates any kind of loyalty or affection a player may have for his existing team (pre-new contract). Coach, the last I remember you were gigging CC for hoochie coochie stuff...... Change of heart? |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 14, 2021 6:55:51 GMT -6
“A lot of people don’t believe in 10-year contracts and in long-term deals and all that. But when you look at most of the 10-year contracts they’ve been giving out, the long-term deals, they’re players that are 31, 30, 32,” the shortstop noted. “I’m going to be 27 on my first year. I’m young, I’m healthy, and I perform. So we’ll see what happens.”
— Carlos Correa
Sounds like Correa is indeed seeking a 10-year contract. Crane will never go 10 years, $300+ million. Bye.
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Post by dafish on Oct 14, 2021 7:11:16 GMT -6
“A lot of people don’t believe in 10-year contracts and in long-term deals and all that. But when you look at most of the 10-year contracts they’ve been giving out, the long-term deals, they’re players that are 31, 30, 32,” the shortstop noted. “I’m going to be 27 on my first year. I’m young, I’m healthy, and I perform. So we’ll see what happens.” — Carlos Correa Sounds like Correa is indeed seeking a 10-year contract. Crane will never go 10 years, $300+ million. Bye. Especially one that has had some health/injury issues during his career here, and I sure don't want another Pujols situation here. Can buy a lot of decent 1A tier talent for $30M annually. |
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Post by m240 on Oct 14, 2021 7:25:11 GMT -6
“A lot of people don’t believe in 10-year contracts and in long-term deals and all that. But when you look at most of the 10-year contracts they’ve been giving out, the long-term deals, they’re players that are 31, 30, 32,” the shortstop noted. “I’m going to be 27 on my first year. I’m young, I’m healthy, and I perform. So we’ll see what happens.” — Carlos Correa Sounds like Correa is indeed seeking a 10-year contract. Crane will never go 10 years, $300+ million. Bye. I agree that Crane will never agree to put that much money at risk and he would never box himself into a corner with the other talent that we have that needs to be extended. Tough deal and the only way to do it is with outs for both sides, big money up front, a total package bigger than Lindor, and play to his vanity in the talks. At the end of the day though this is a rerun of Cole and Springer. all I really have to say is go out there and earn you some more money there Carlos by bringing Houston another WS title. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 14, 2021 7:30:35 GMT -6
“A lot of people don’t believe in 10-year contracts and in long-term deals and all that. But when you look at most of the 10-year contracts they’ve been giving out, the long-term deals, they’re players that are 31, 30, 32,” the shortstop noted. “I’m going to be 27 on my first year. I’m young, I’m healthy, and I perform. So we’ll see what happens.” — Carlos Correa Sounds like Correa is indeed seeking a 10-year contract. Crane will never go 10 years, $300+ million. Bye. Especially one that has had some health/injury issues during his career here, and I sure don't want another Pujols situation here. Can buy a lot of decent 1A tier talent for $30M annually. Carlos Correa 9 years/300M Or Marcus Semien 3 years/90M |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 14, 2021 7:35:35 GMT -6
If Carlos wants a 8+ year deal, I would rather go after Semien, and sign him to a 2 to 3 year deal
Plus, go after Robbie Ray 4 year/$100M.
Sign two relievers.
Depends how the money works out, sign Verlander to a QO.
Trade Castro for something, and promote Korey Lee to learn under Maldonado. See if anyone will take Odorizzi
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 14, 2021 9:06:02 GMT -6
In case ya'll didn't see it, Correa did an interview with someone from Puerto Rico, and it's been translated on Twitter (click on the tweet below, it's the first of a string of them)
VERY interesting. The part about the tax figuring is especially interesting. That's a huge advantage for Houston...but it will still take a huge amount of money/years.
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Post by dafish on Oct 14, 2021 9:14:25 GMT -6
I really thought losing Springer would have significant impact on the team's success. Goes to show a calm level headed approach to buiilding smart has. a lot more merit than breaking the bank.
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Post by olpapa on Oct 14, 2021 10:38:27 GMT -6
Especially one that has had some health/injury issues during his career here, and I sure don't want another Pujols situation here. Can buy a lot of decent 1A tier talent for $30M annually. Carlos Correa 9 years/300M Or Marcus Semien 3 years/90M Semien. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 14, 2021 10:50:32 GMT -6
I really thought losing Springer would have significant impact on the team's success. Goes to show a calm level headed approach to buiilding smart has. a lot more merit than breaking the bank. Springer is older and plays one of three outfield positions. He was more of a corner outfielder than a centerfielder as defensive metrics showed. Correa plays the most demanding defensive position, captains the infield, and helps Dusty by being a vocal leader on the field. For what it’s worth, he’s really high up on that WAR thing for this season too, namely on defense. He’s a lot less replaceable than Springer, especially since they bailed on Straw and brought up guys who could swing a bat. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 14, 2021 11:04:41 GMT -6
Would you offer Semien the 5-year, $125 million deal that Correa rejected?
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 14, 2021 11:06:48 GMT -6
Would you offer Semien the 5-year, $125 million deal that Correa rejected? How old is he? How is he on defense? |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 14, 2021 11:13:20 GMT -6
Especially one that has had some health/injury issues during his career here, and I sure don't want another Pujols situation here. Can buy a lot of decent 1A tier talent for $30M annually. Carlos Correa 9 years/300M Or Marcus Semien 3 years/90M If we have to choose one of those options, then Correa. If we're letting him walk, either get someone on a one-year deal or just go ahead and throw Pena in there. Don't like the idea of the half-measure with a quickly-aging Semien. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 14, 2021 11:21:46 GMT -6
“It was like, ’Take it or leave it; this is what we’ve got.’ And now my value has gone up. If they didn’t want to meet my price in spring training, now that I led the league in [Baseball Reference] WAR at 7.2 and I’m in the playoffs helping the team, I don’t know if they’ll meet my price now.”
—Carlos Correa
Hmmm, “If they didn’t want to meet my price....” Sounds to me like Carlos is saying, “Take it or leave it.” There are no negotiations when either party is insisting that the other party cave in to their demands.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 14, 2021 11:23:02 GMT -6
“It was like, ’Take it or leave it; this is what we’ve got.’ And now my value has gone up. If they didn’t want to meet my price in spring training, now that I led the league in [Baseball Reference] WAR at 7.2 and I’m in the playoffs helping the team, I don’t know if they’ll meet my price now.” —Carlos Correa Hmmm, “If they didn’t want to meet my price....” Sounds to me like Carlos is saying, “Take it or leave it.” There are no negotiations when either party is insisting that the other party cave in to their demands. You’ve got to admit $20 million AAV was peanuts, especially considering Bregman gets more than half of that just to make salsa. Springer made more his last season here. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 14, 2021 11:44:28 GMT -6
“It was like, ’Take it or leave it; this is what we’ve got.’ And now my value has gone up. If they didn’t want to meet my price in spring training, now that I led the league in [Baseball Reference] WAR at 7.2 and I’m in the playoffs helping the team, I don’t know if they’ll meet my price now.” —Carlos Correa Hmmm, “If they didn’t want to meet my price....” Sounds to me like Carlos is saying, “Take it or leave it.” There are no negotiations when either party is insisting that the other party cave in to their demands. You’ve got to admit $20 million AAV was peanuts, especially considering Bregman gets more than half of that just to make salsa. Springer made more his last season here. Final number was 5 year/$125M.... And at that moment, the only thing he was coming off was a good postseason. And he happened to not miss many games in a shortened season. I think everyone here, Corch included, thought 5 year/$125M was a good offer, not an insult. How quickly do we forget. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 14, 2021 11:48:11 GMT -6
You’ve got to admit $20 million AAV was peanuts, especially considering Bregman gets more than half of that just to make salsa. Springer made more his last season here. Final number was 5 year/$125M.... And at that moment, the only thing he was coming off was a good postseason. And he happened to not miss many games in a shortened season. I think everyone here, Corch included, thought 5 year/$125M was a good offer, not an insult. How quickly do we forget. $25 million a year was better, I agree. The $20 million a year was like come on. Didn’t he offer almost double for Cole? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 14, 2021 11:58:54 GMT -6
Final number was 5 year/$125M.... And at that moment, the only thing he was coming off was a good postseason. And he happened to not miss many games in a shortened season. I think everyone here, Corch included, thought 5 year/$125M was a good offer, not an insult. How quickly do we forget. $25 million a year was better, I agree. The $20 million a year was like come on. Didn’t he offer almost double for Cole? Cole was what: 10 year/$270M, and coming off a fantastic 2019 season? Correa didn't have a fantastic 2020 season: .264/.326/.383 |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 14, 2021 12:12:13 GMT -6
If the Astros sign Correa to 8+ year deal, then you can pretty much forget extending both Tucker and Alvarez, when their time comes... You can't keep them all. I guess I would echo Saint's sentiments then, trade Alvarez.
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