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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 14, 2021 12:31:01 GMT -6
$25 million a year was better, I agree. The $20 million a year was like come on. Didn’t he offer almost double for Cole? Cole was what: 10 year/$270M, and coming off a fantastic 2019 season? Correa didn't have a fantastic 2020 season: .264/.326/.383 I thought the Astros were like a million or two off the Yankees offer per year, and that’s for a twice a week player. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 14, 2021 12:42:16 GMT -6
Would you offer Semien the 5-year, $125 million deal that Correa rejected? NO. He'd be 36 years old at the end of it. I'd do the 3/$90 million. I would not give Correa or anyone else a 10 year contract. I'd go 8 years max. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 14, 2021 12:43:29 GMT -6
“It was like, ’Take it or leave it; this is what we’ve got.’ And now my value has gone up. If they didn’t want to meet my price in spring training, now that I led the league in [Baseball Reference] WAR at 7.2 and I’m in the playoffs helping the team, I don’t know if they’ll meet my price now.” —Carlos Correa Hmmm, “If they didn’t want to meet my price....” Sounds to me like Carlos is saying, “Take it or leave it.” There are no negotiations when either party is insisting that the other party cave in to their demands. Has Correa ever came and said it exactly what IS his price? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 14, 2021 12:45:19 GMT -6
You’ve got to admit $20 million AAV was peanuts, especially considering Bregman gets more than half of that just to make salsa. Springer made more his last season here. Final number was 5 year/$125M.... And at that moment, the only thing he was coming off was a good postseason. And he happened to not miss many games in a shortened season. I think everyone here, Corch included, thought 5 year/$125M was a good offer, not an insult. How quickly do we forget. At that time, it was not a bad offer, but, they could have done better. There may be some team that will give him 10 years, but, I'll have to see it to believe it. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 14, 2021 12:46:56 GMT -6
If the Astros sign Correa to 8+ year deal, then you can pretty much forget extending both Tucker and Alvarez, when their time comes... You can't keep them all. I guess I would echo Saint's sentiments then, trade Alvarez. They should try to get both Tucker and Alvarez signed to an extension along the lines of the one they have Altuve or Bregman. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 14, 2021 13:28:13 GMT -6
If the Astros sign Correa to 8+ year deal, then you can pretty much forget extending both Tucker and Alvarez, when their time comes... You can't keep them all. I guess I would echo Saint's sentiments then, trade Alvarez. They should try to get both Tucker and Alvarez signed to an extension along the lines of the one they have Altuve or Bregman. Tucker style of play does not reflect his great numbers...He never strikes you as the person that could be considered the best on the team....From the way he swings to his personality, nothing says take notice to me...But, the numbers don't lie, he just gets the job done.....He has the makings of a legit 5 Tool Player, the best overall player on the Astros....So, he would be the one to make sure extension is made towards...over Correa...don't want to be a situation in the future where Correa's humungous contract comes at the expense of someone like Tucker staying here..... www.spotrac.com/mlb/houston-astros/kyle-tucker-17620/ |
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Post by dafish on Oct 14, 2021 14:01:45 GMT -6
They should try to get both Tucker and Alvarez signed to an extension along the lines of the one they have Altuve or Bregman. Tucker style of play does not reflect his great numbers...He never strikes you as the person that could be considered the best on the team....From the way he swings to his personality, nothing says take notice to me...But, the numbers don't lie, he just gets the job done.....He has the makings of a legit 5 Tool Player, the best overall player on the Astros....So, he would be the one to make sure extension is made towards...over Correa...don't want to be a situation in the future where Correa's humungous contract comes at the expense of someone like Tucker staying here..... www.spotrac.com/mlb/houston-astros/kyle-tucker-17620/He doesn't have that cocky swager and attitude, which I absolutley love about this guy. Just a quiet hard working who seems destined for great things. Give this guy a 10 year contract while he is still affordable. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 14, 2021 14:07:22 GMT -6
Tucker style of play does not reflect his great numbers...He never strikes you as the person that could be considered the best on the team....From the way he swings to his personality, nothing says take notice to me...But, the numbers don't lie, he just gets the job done.....He has the makings of a legit 5 Tool Player, the best overall player on the Astros....So, he would be the one to make sure extension is made towards...over Correa...don't want to be a situation in the future where Correa's humungous contract comes at the expense of someone like Tucker staying here..... www.spotrac.com/mlb/houston-astros/kyle-tucker-17620/He doesn't have that cocky swager and attitude, which I absolutley love about this guy. Just a quiet hard working who seems destined for great things. Give this guy a 10 year contract while he is still affordable. I thought this board was against long term deals. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 14, 2021 14:10:07 GMT -6
Would you offer Semien the 5-year, $125 million deal that Correa rejected? NO. He'd be 36 years old at the end of it. I'd do the 3/$90 million. I would not give Correa or anyone else a 10 year contract. I'd go 8 years max. Semien is 4 years and 5 days older than Correa. If Crane signs Correa to a 8-year deal, Carlos will be 35 years old at the end of it. If that 8-year deal was for $260 million, as bear suggested and you agreed was reasonable, the AAV of that deal would be $32.5 million. The Astros would be paying a 35-year old Carlos $32,5 million. Would you offer Semien a 4-year, $100 million deal? Semien would be 35 years old at the end of the deal and the Astros would be paying him $25 million. BTW.... Carlos bragged about his 7.2 WAR for 2021. Semien posted a 7.1 WAR in 2021..... and hit 45 home runs. |
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Post by dafish on Oct 14, 2021 14:10:27 GMT -6
He doesn't have that cocky swager and attitude, which I absolutley love about this guy. Just a quiet hard working who seems destined for great things. Give this guy a 10 year contract while he is still affordable. I thought this board was against long term deals. Specifc exceptons for the exceptional might acceptable at the right price But generally....No. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 14, 2021 14:18:17 GMT -6
Would you offer Semien the 5-year, $125 million deal that Correa rejected? I don't care for Semien. When he came up with the Athletics he was known to be a butcher defensively. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 14, 2021 14:27:52 GMT -6
I thought this board was against long term deals. Specifc exceptons for the exceptional might acceptable at the right price But generally....No. If Tucker keeps producing, and even getting better, in 2023, the first year he becomes eligible for arbitration, I would not be opposed to the Astros offering him a 5 year deal. Avoid 3 years of arbitration, by signing a 5 year/$125M deal.. What would he get in arbitration? 2023 - $6M? 2024 - $12M? 2025 - $18M? Thus $36M after 3 years. Then he hits open market and signs 6 year/$210M deal...$35AAV. Or take 5 year/$125M deal in 2023. And gets $39M total more than in arbitration In this scenario, you would be taking a loss projected earnings in years four and five. About 10 million a year.... Overall he'd be coming out $19M on the good side in buying out the arbitration years, with a 5 year/$125M deal |
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Post by Saint on Oct 15, 2021 15:44:45 GMT -6
There's only two player in baseball that I think have/had the talent and age for a 10-year deal. Betts and Trout. And Trout hasn't gotten healthier.
I don't think Tucker is at their level yet.
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Post by dafish on Oct 15, 2021 15:57:33 GMT -6
There's only two player in baseball that I think have/had the talent and age for a 10-year deal. Betts and Trout. And Trout hasn't gotten healthier. I don't think Tucker is at their level yet. I didn't say 10yr/$Break the Bank either. I am saying his upside warrants going that investment if we can work something like 10/$200M at artbitration, or maybe a little more. Guy's hard working, appears durable, is exponentially getting better, and has susbstantial upside. And don't get me wrong, I am against LTC's 95+% of the time. This guy mght be in Biggio's category. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 15, 2021 16:51:19 GMT -6
Tucker style of play does not reflect his great numbers...He never strikes you as the person that could be considered the best on the team....From the way he swings to his personality, nothing says take notice to me...But, the numbers don't lie, he just gets the job done.....He has the makings of a legit 5 Tool Player, the best overall player on the Astros....So, he would be the one to make sure extension is made towards...over Correa...don't want to be a situation in the future where Correa's humungous contract comes at the expense of someone like Tucker staying here..... www.spotrac.com/mlb/houston-astros/kyle-tucker-17620/He doesn't have that cocky swager and attitude, which I absolutley love about this guy. Just a quiet hard working who seems destined for great things. Give this guy a 10 year contract while he is still affordable. He is only 24 so a 10 year contract for him is reasonable. They'd be smart to do it. Signing Correa should be the top priority this off season. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 15, 2021 16:54:48 GMT -6
There's only two player in baseball that I think have/had the talent and age for a 10-year deal. Betts and Trout. And Trout hasn't gotten healthier. I don't think Tucker is at their level yet. I think I'd include Tatis in that group. Tucker could get to that level. I doubt if he goes on vacation for most of every season the way Trout does. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 15, 2021 17:59:01 GMT -6
There's only two player in baseball that I think have/had the talent and age for a 10-year deal. Betts and Trout. And Trout hasn't gotten healthier. I don't think Tucker is at their level yet. I didn't say 10yr/$Break the Bank either. I am saying his upside warrants going that investment if we can work something like 10/$200M at artbitration, or maybe a little more. Guy's hard working, appears durable, is exponentially getting better, and has susbstantial upside. And don't get me wrong, I am against LTC's 95+% of the time. This guy mght be in Biggio's category. Tucker isn't even eligible for arb next year. He'll see arbitration in '23, '24, and '25. He'll have NO financial security from one year to the next during those four years. So this winter would be a great opportunity to lock him into a team-friendly deal. Once signed to a defined contract the salary he's due each year is GUARANTEED even if his performance tanks or has a career ending injury. That's a strong incentive for a young player to sign at a much lower salary than he could maybe demand if/when he reaches free agency. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 15, 2021 18:04:09 GMT -6
There's only two player in baseball that I think have/had the talent and age for a 10-year deal. Betts and Trout. And Trout hasn't gotten healthier. I don't think Tucker is at their level yet. I think I'd include Tatis in that group. Tucker could get to that level. I doubt if he goes on vacation for most of every season the way Trout does. Tatis is as injury prone as Correa. |
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Post by koolade2 on Oct 16, 2021 21:29:18 GMT -6
I have made it known I didn't think Correa was worth what you guys were throwing around. I read an article that was talking about Correa and it said he had a 7.2 War the highest among position players. Now, most of you should know by now I am a fan and not really a baseball Nerd and really don't pay attention to stats.
This made me think maybe Correa is better than the .268 or so Ba and he doesn't lead the team in HR so maybe there is something I am missing.
I never played ball as a kid as I was always the smallest guy and was always the last to get picked and never was allowed to play. So after a half-season I never went back. I enjoy Baseball as a distraction from the BS in life and when they started with the WOKE stuff was enough to walk away.
My family moved to small-town north of Houston the year the Colts 45's started and the family behind our house had an older boy who was into sports and was talking about the 45's starting up and that was my first introduction to baseball. So I have followed the Astros since then on and off. When you go off to war that is kinda out of mind.
Back to Correa from reading this article, I got a better understanding of his Value to the team in other ways than being the best hitter, it is what he does to lift the team... I know the money they say some baseball player is worth as the amount of money the team makes in the year.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 16, 2021 21:35:28 GMT -6
I think I'd include Tatis in that group. Tucker could get to that level. I doubt if he goes on vacation for most of every season the way Trout does. Tatis is as injury prone as Correa. Correa hasn't been injured since 2019. He has been healthier than Bregman. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 17, 2021 11:11:23 GMT -6
Tatis is as injury prone as Correa. Correa hasn't been injured since 2019. He has been healthier than Bregman. And Bregman shouldn't get a long contract either. What's your point? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 17, 2021 11:54:22 GMT -6
Correa hasn't been injured since 2019. He has been healthier than Bregman. And Bregman shouldn't get a long contract either. What's your point? He was just looking for a way to bash Bregman. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 17, 2021 11:57:53 GMT -6
And Bregman shouldn't get a long contract either. What's your point? He was just looking for a way to bash Bregman. The only surprise is that he didn't throw in a rant about Altuve's error 2 or 3 years ago. |
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Post by dafish on Oct 17, 2021 12:16:28 GMT -6
He was just looking for a way to bash Bregman. The only surprise is that he didn't throw in a rant about Altuve's error 2 or 3 years ago. Altuve is an amazing, and immensly talented athlete. I think his mental lapses are that he is so talented, he loses focus on the basics. Like glove down, or bat on ball in a situational point. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 17, 2021 12:55:37 GMT -6
Correa hasn't been injured since 2019. He has been healthier than Bregman. And Bregman shouldn't get a long contract either. What's your point? What then do you do with him? |
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Post by Saint on Oct 17, 2021 13:12:00 GMT -6
And Bregman shouldn't get a long contract either. What's your point? What then do you do with him? Right now? Nothing. We have multiple years of control. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 17, 2021 13:12:39 GMT -6
And Bregman shouldn't get a long contract either. What's your point? He was just looking for a way to bash Bregman. Right but it doesn't matter towards his argument, which was my point. 😋 |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 17, 2021 14:20:15 GMT -6
What then do you do with him? Right now? Nothing. We have multiple years of control. How do you think this team does without Correa? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 17, 2021 14:35:23 GMT -6
Right now? Nothing. We have multiple years of control. How do you think this team does without Correa? The same thing every other team who doesn't have Correa does. |
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Post by dafish on Oct 17, 2021 15:16:55 GMT -6
How do you think this team does without Correa? The same thing every other team who doesn't have Correa does. I was a huge Springer fan, and was sick when he walked. And still, look where we are. Correa will be a huge loss too. But a team lineup with Bregman, Altuve, Tucker, and Alvarez by itself will be as potent as least more than half the league. My bigger concern is pitching next year. |
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