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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 5, 2021 11:24:34 GMT -6
sorry you can't see the problem here....... Yes, NL pitchers ARE facing heat on a regular basis and are used to it. AL pitchers are not, which is why using McCullers to pinch hit was a bad idea. Here you have a guy who is not used to being in the batter's box and not used to facing hard-throwing pitchers. If he gets hit or fouls a ball off his foot and ends up on the IL and missing starts, whose fault is it? It is Dusty's for sending him up there. Now, I wait for your little friend to come by, curse me, and call me some more names. LOL LOL LOL If you're going to make ridiculous posts like that, you deserve to be called names. Right there in your post is the reason it was a GOOD idea. If all goes well and the Astros get to the WS, McTwitchy will almost certainly come to the plate and likely face a hard-throwing pitcher a few times. Actual game experience prior to that is a GOOD thing. Did you have children? Did you insist they have training wheels on their bicycles until they were adults?
Should Dusty assign someone check all the pavement wherever Lance walks to insure it's level and he won't stub his toe? Or maybe they can just cover him in bubble wrap whenever he's not on the mound.
Your asinine reasoning as to why using Lance to pinch hit was a good idea just proves how little you know. In the NL, pitchers have to hit and are used to it. In the AL, they aren't used to it. You don't risk one of your starting pitchers....especially your top guy...getting hit or fouling a pitch off his foot. Your argument doesn't rate a further response so I'll just let you keep being ignorant. I promise you that people who know the game do not agree with you. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 5, 2021 11:25:47 GMT -6
As a Tigers and baseball fan, wouldn't you agree? Or, am I off base? You're not totally off base but you need to realize that when the team loses, the fans want to play the blame game. And of course they're all so much smarter than the front office and coaching staff. But that's the nature of the beast. In my estimation, the biggest problem last night was that Odorizzi sucked. Shit happens. The Astros did manage to chip away at the massive lead, but not enough. You are right about one thing........the biggest problem last night was that Odorizzi sucked. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 5, 2021 11:27:09 GMT -6
Well it looks like they made it interesting at the end, and the bullpen had a great day! Unfortunately Odorizzi continues his flop job. He had been on a really nice run until the White Sox series, but it's now been 4 starts in a row with 3 ER or more in 5 innings or less... It was nice to see Correa get some revenge on Kelly, and Tucker had a good game. Altuve....yikes. That's got to be the worst game of the season for him. Hopefully they get on a nice run against some lesser teams now. Edit: Might have been a sweep if we had Bregman and Yuli in there. That was not only Jose's worst game of the season, but, probably the worst of his career.....at least in the top 5. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 5, 2021 11:27:51 GMT -6
Check your AOL, ima send you an email.  I was a "guide" on AOL, as well as a chat monitor. Don't make me punt you, son I'll bet you were a hall monitor in school, too.  |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 5, 2021 11:28:28 GMT -6
To add to Thomas's accurate but hurtful rant. Our starters ERAs: Greinke: 3.65 McCullers: 3.02 Urquidy: 3.38 Javier: 2.86 Garcia: 3.49 Framber: 3.01 Odorizzi: 4.95 Outside of Odorizzi, out of our *7* starters, our worst starter is 10-3 with a 3.65 ERA over 130 IP. I'm not too worried about the starters. Although I do feel that we should flip-flop Odorizzi and Javier. I see the Astros sticking with Odorizzi has their 4 or 5th starter for most of the season, well until about a month before playoffs. I think he has the stuff to be a sub 4.00 ERA pitcher. For the time being, let him do his best to eat-up innings. When the Astros are 30 days out, maybe transition him to long inning relief. By that time Urquidy should hopefully be back, but if not, start stretching out Javier. For the playoffs I am hoping these are the pitchers, and the roles McCullers - if he continues to do well, he can be the number 1 Valdez - need to go 6 innings, need him to get back to pitching at least like a number 2 Greinke - cross your fingers Urquidy -hopefully he will be ready...if not, then one of the long relievers would have to take his place Long Relief - Javier, L Garcia, Odorizzi, Relievers - Pressly, Graveman, Maton, Stanek, Y Garcia, Taylor or Baez He can't "eat up innings" by giving up 1-3 HR per inning, unless you want to fall behind the A's. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 5, 2021 11:29:03 GMT -6
Your tweet also didn't work. I can see both. The one I posted and the one unionstation posted. Maybe try Chrome? People don’t really use Lynx anymore. Of course you can see it. It's in your cache. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 5, 2021 11:31:03 GMT -6
To add to Thomas's accurate but hurtful rant. Our starters ERAs: Greinke: 3.65 McCullers: 3.02 Urquidy: 3.38 Javier: 2.86 Garcia: 3.49 Framber: 3.01 Odorizzi: 4.95 Outside of Odorizzi, out of our *7* starters, our worst starter is 10-3 with a 3.65 ERA over 130 IP. I'm not too worried about the starters. Although I do feel that we should flip-flop Odorizzi and Javier. I see the Astros sticking with Odorizzi has their 4 or 5th starter for most of the season, well until about a month before playoffs. I think he has the stuff to be a sub 4.00 ERA pitcher. For the time being, let him do his best to eat-up innings. When the Astros are 30 days out, maybe transition him to long inning relief. By that time Urquidy should hopefully be back, but if not, start stretching out Javier. For the playoffs I am hoping these are the pitchers, and the roles McCullers - if he continues to do well, he can be the number 1 Valdez - need to go 6 innings, need him to get back to pitching at least like a number 2 Greinke - cross your fingers Urquidy -hopefully he will be ready...if not, then one of the long relievers would have to take his place Long Relief - Javier, L Garcia, Odorizzi, Relievers - Pressly, Graveman, Maton, Stanek, Y Garcia, Taylor or Baez If your rotation for the playoffs is so good that Garcia and Javier are in the bullpen, you're doing something right. That's a damn good pitching staff. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 5, 2021 11:32:04 GMT -6
I was a "guide" on AOL, as well as a chat monitor. Don't make me punt you, son I'll bet you were a hall monitor in school, too. We didn't have hall monitors. We had teachers who would beat your ass if you got out of place. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 5, 2021 11:32:28 GMT -6
Well it looks like they made it interesting at the end, and the bullpen had a great day! Unfortunately Odorizzi continues his flop job. He had been on a really nice run until the White Sox series, but it's now been 4 starts in a row with 3 ER or more in 5 innings or less... It was nice to see Correa get some revenge on Kelly, and Tucker had a good game. Altuve....yikes. That's got to be the worst game of the season for him. Hopefully they get on a nice run against some lesser teams now. Edit: Might have been a sweep if we had Bregman and Yuli in there. That was not only Jose's worst game of the season, but, probably the worst of his career.....at least in the top 5. According to ESPN, he has never had a 4 K game with all of them swinging. 0-4 with 4 Ks and an error. I'd say it has to be the worst of his career. You could tell Scherzer knew exactly what to throw him sticking with almost nothing but low and/or away. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 5, 2021 11:33:08 GMT -6
I see the Astros sticking with Odorizzi has their 4 or 5th starter for most of the season, well until about a month before playoffs. I think he has the stuff to be a sub 4.00 ERA pitcher. For the time being, let him do his best to eat-up innings. When the Astros are 30 days out, maybe transition him to long inning relief. By that time Urquidy should hopefully be back, but if not, start stretching out Javier. For the playoffs I am hoping these are the pitchers, and the roles McCullers - if he continues to do well, he can be the number 1 Valdez - need to go 6 innings, need him to get back to pitching at least like a number 2 Greinke - cross your fingers Urquidy -hopefully he will be ready...if not, then one of the long relievers would have to take his place Long Relief - Javier, L Garcia, Odorizzi, Relievers - Pressly, Graveman, Maton, Stanek, Y Garcia, Taylor or Baez If your rotation for the playoffs is so good that Garcia and Javier are in the bullpen, you're doing something right. That's a damn good pitching staff. No one is complaining about the rotation. We are complaining about the 2nd coming of Jason Jennings from last night. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 5, 2021 11:35:54 GMT -6
In the NL, pitchers have to hit and are used to it. In the AL, they aren't used to it. And in the WS, AL pitchers have to hit in NL parks, Sunshine. Oh but let's not let a starter have a chance to get used to it, because the sky might fall!  |
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Post by Saint on Aug 5, 2021 11:38:29 GMT -6
If your rotation for the playoffs is so good that Garcia and Javier are in the bullpen, you're doing something right. That's a damn good pitching staff. No one is complaining about the rotation. We are complaining about the 2nd coming of Jason Jennings from last night. I think the point is that people are freaking out over, basically, our one weak link in the pitching staff for the postseason (if we're healthy and make it). As you have said, not everybody on your team is going to be an all-star (although Odorizzi HAS been an all-star...). |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 5, 2021 11:42:45 GMT -6
No one is complaining about the rotation. We are complaining about the 2nd coming of Jason Jennings from last night. I think the point is that people are freaking out over, basically, our one weak link in the pitching staff for the postseason (if we're healthy and make it). As you have said, not everybody on your team is going to be an all-star (although Odorizzi HAS been an all-star...). What he HAS been is irrelevant. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 5, 2021 11:44:07 GMT -6
I'll bet you were a hall monitor in school, too. We didn't have hall monitors. We had teachers who would beat your ass if you got out of place. Did you have penguins? |
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Post by Saint on Aug 5, 2021 11:44:41 GMT -6
I think the point is that people are freaking out over, basically, our one weak link in the pitching staff for the postseason (if we're healthy and make it). As you have said, not everybody on your team is going to be an all-star (although Odorizzi HAS been an all-star...). What he HAS been is irrelevant. I'd agree if it was long ago. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 5, 2021 11:47:22 GMT -6
What he HAS been is irrelevant. I'd agree if it was long ago. regardless of how many years ago it was. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 5, 2021 11:51:06 GMT -6
I'd agree if it was long ago. regardless of how many years ago it was. Stop being a pouty b*tch. If Odorizzi is our biggest problem, I'm not too concerned. I'm more frustrated at throwing Robel out there every day. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 5, 2021 11:55:09 GMT -6
regardless of how many years ago it was. Stop being a pouty b*tch. If Odorizzi is our biggest problem, I'm not too concerned. I'm more frustrated at throwing Robel out there every day. Why? We have the best offense in baseball. Why do you worry about a single fill-in roleplayer? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 5, 2021 11:56:59 GMT -6
As always, there is no level of shitty, sucky playing that you won't try to justify...all the while bitching about the best players in the game having an off day.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 5, 2021 12:13:20 GMT -6
regardless of how many years ago it was. Stop being a pouty b*tch. If Odorizzi is our biggest problem, I'm not too concerned. I'm more frustrated at throwing Robel out there every day. That's temporary. I really doubt Robel will even be on the bench in few weeks. We should be concerned about Odorizzi. Strom needs to look at why he's been ineffective and find a solution. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 5, 2021 12:14:21 GMT -6
Stop being a pouty b*tch. If Odorizzi is our biggest problem, I'm not too concerned. I'm more frustrated at throwing Robel out there every day. Why? We have the best offense in baseball. Why do you worry about a single fill-in roleplayer? Checkmate. (Even though I can’t stand Robel.) |
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Post by Saint on Aug 5, 2021 12:25:47 GMT -6
Stop being a pouty b*tch. If Odorizzi is our biggest problem, I'm not too concerned. I'm more frustrated at throwing Robel out there every day. Why? We have the best offense in baseball. Why do you worry about a single fill-in roleplayer? Because he isn't a roleplayer at this point. He is playing every day. And we DO have better options. Because any option would be better than what he has done. Unlike Odorizzi, he has NEVER been good. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 5, 2021 12:48:18 GMT -6
For those complaining about either the Astros pitching or hitting coaches, need to shut up. you Whiny, Entitled Bitches. Make me. I guess Bitches gonna Bitch. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 5, 2021 12:52:32 GMT -6
And we DO have better options. We do have other options but are any of them better without starting a prospects clock early? Here are the candidates I see, currently on the 40: 1 - Freudis Nova 2 - Taylor Jones 3 - Jacob Wilson 1 - Hard pass 2 - I don't think so 3 - Expect to see him soon. Now that Diaz is back we shouldn't be seeing Robel playing every day. But since Yuli hasn't been available, we are. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 5, 2021 13:00:02 GMT -6
And we DO have better options. We do have other options but are any of them better without starting a prospects clock early? Here are the candidates I see, currently on the 40: 1 - Freudis Nova 2 - Taylor Jones 3 - Jacob Wilson 1 - Hard pass 2 - I don't think so 3 - Expect to see him soon. Now that Diaz is back we shouldn't be seeing Robel playing every day. But since Yuli hasn't been available, we are. Robel is hitting .155 on the year with a .435 OPS. His total OPS is about as high as a Bagwell or Votto OBP alone during their prime. Over the last month, it has been an even worse .111 AVG and .337 OPS. Brantley gets a hit about as often his entire OPS over the last month. Yes, all of those guys would be better, I have to believe. He's a -.8 WAR player. P.S. Why aren't you mentioning De Goti? He had success during his cup of coffee earlier. In fact, in his two games with us he has had more value than Robel has given us in 40+. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 5, 2021 13:10:14 GMT -6
P.S. Why aren't you mentioning De Goti? He had success during his cup of coffee earlier. In fact, in his two games with us he has had more value than Robel has given us in 40+. Because putting De Goti on the roster would start his clock. The cup of coffee he had was under Covid rule so it didn't start his clock. And no, only one of those three would be better than Robel. (3) (1) would be worse. (2) would be just a change for the sake of change. We WILL see Jacob Wilson. "Patience is a virgin" -- Archie Bunker |
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Post by Saint on Aug 5, 2021 13:25:01 GMT -6
P.S. Why aren't you mentioning De Goti? He had success during his cup of coffee earlier. In fact, in his two games with us he has had more value than Robel has given us in 40+. Because putting De Goti on the roster would start his clock. The cup of coffee he had was under Covid rule so it didn't start his clock. And no, only one of those three would be better than Robel. (3) (1) would be worse. (2) would be just a change for the sake of change. We WILL see Jacob Wilson. "Patience is a virgin" -- Archie Bunker De Goti is 26yo. Who cares about starting his clock? O.o We expecting him to be a badass in his 30's or something? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 5, 2021 13:46:04 GMT -6
I guess Bitches gonna Bitch. And not a f***ing thing you can do about it. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 5, 2021 13:46:23 GMT -6
That was not only Jose's worst game of the season, but, probably the worst of his career.....at least in the top 5. According to ESPN, he has never had a 4 K game with all of them swinging. 0-4 with 4 Ks and an error. I'd say it has to be the worst of his career. You could tell Scherzer knew exactly what to throw him sticking with almost nothing but low and/or away. I have seen hundreds of his games, and, I have never seen him look this bad. He was clueless against Scherzer and just swung at everything he saw. When a hitter sees only 13 pitches in 4 ABs and swings and misses on 12 of them, he is lost at the plate. Even Robel made contact a couple of times. I don't remember him swinging at anything that was not low and away....Scherzer kept throwing them there and Jose swung and missed all of them. This is something I don't understand about Jose. He must know how he is being pitched, yet continues taking the bait. I honestly don't know why he isn't pitched that way more often because he never shows signs of being able to adjust and lay off those pitches. Reminds me a lot of Biggio who used to get himself out going after low and away sliders. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 5, 2021 13:46:46 GMT -6
Why? We have the best offense in baseball. Why do you worry about a single fill-in roleplayer? Because he isn't a roleplayer at this point. He is playing every day. And we DO have better options. Because any option would be better than what he has done. Unlike Odorizzi, he has NEVER been good. Again, what odorizzi did years ago is irrelevant. |
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