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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 11, 2021 20:14:13 GMT -6
So, if a worse offensive player was on a better team, then he should get an MVP over a better player? I remember when Mo Vaughn won it over Albert Belle because Belle wasn’t liked by the media. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 11, 2021 20:16:34 GMT -6
corch thinks Ted Williams didn't deserve the MVP in 1949 cause of where his team finished in the standings. It's best not to think about it I remember when Mo Vaughn won it over Albert Belle because Belle wasn’t liked by the media. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 11, 2021 20:27:17 GMT -6
Yes, in the minds of most. My idea of an MVP is the player who leads his team to a title, not the bottom of the league. Dawson and Rodriguez were impressive, no doubt about it. You put too much on Ohtani. His team sucks, and they’re getting nothing from Rendon and Trout (and Pujols). It wouldn’t be fair to punish a superstar player for that. He's too stupid to understand that the MVP award isn't a team award. Pure ignorant. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 11, 2021 20:28:35 GMT -6
Great work by Bielak.
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 11, 2021 20:28:58 GMT -6
Mark of a true mongoloid, coming up with an ignorant stance and sticking to it even when every other person in the world knows it's ignorant. When have you seen Conference MVP's in college sports selected from losing teams? It doesn't happen. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 11, 2021 20:43:39 GMT -6
What if Stubbs homered?
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 11, 2021 20:47:20 GMT -6
I’ll take it. Finally a clutch hit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 20:47:47 GMT -6
Stubbs, nice buddy!
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 11, 2021 20:47:56 GMT -6
Okay, Altuve. Swing for the fences. You have my blessing.
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Post by Saint on Sept 11, 2021 20:52:37 GMT -6
Ugly, Jose.
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 11, 2021 20:55:38 GMT -6
Altuve 0/5 after a 3/4. Just another hitter on this team who’s inconsistent. But it’s the league’s best offense.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 11, 2021 20:58:24 GMT -6
corch thinks Ted Williams didn't deserve the MVP in 1949 cause of where his team finished in the standings. It's best not to think about it I remember when Mo Vaughn won it over Albert Belle because Belle wasn’t liked by the media. The media decides who wins all of these awards. Guys who don't know shit about the game check to see who hits a lot of home runs and drives in runs and that is who they vote for, especially if they play in NY or LA. |
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Post by koolade2 on Sept 11, 2021 20:59:17 GMT -6
Not taking anyone's side on this. Let me get this Straight. Ohtani has hit 44 HR most in the League. Batting .260 generous actually slightly less. Middle of the Pack with average. His OPS .972 5th
OPP he is 61st He is middle top in other categories but only leads with HR.
Pitching with 9 wins which are in a group of about 12 with a .336 ERA Leads in no categories in Pitching. Like was Mention would be considered a B level Pitcher. 115 Inning Pitched. Since he plays both sides and most of his stats are middle of the Pack but leads with 44 HR he is the best player this year notwithstanding where his team is in the standings.
Yankee's had a player way back then that played both sides and his numbers were much better. No, I am not a Yankee fan just saying
I think you could find someone that fits the MVP better. I don't claim to be a nerd with Baseball stats and I really just by what I see.
Maybe I don't see what an MVP really is yes he is an exceptional player but certainly by the numbers isn't the best player. That would have been Judge winning over Altuve who contributed to the Astros winning more so than Judges HR's.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 11, 2021 21:01:03 GMT -6
Altuve 0/5 after a 3/4. Just another hitter on this team who’s inconsistent. But it’s the league’s best offense. The worst of his 0-5 was getting called out on strikes in the 9th with the tying RISP. The league's best offense isn't consistent with RISP. Like last night, our starting pitcher sucked and the pen came in and put up zeros. Last night the offense came through.......Tonight, they shit the bed. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 11, 2021 21:02:48 GMT -6
Okay, Altuve. Swing for the fences. You have my blessing. Did you expect anything else? All we needed was a single to tie the game, but....as always.....he swings for the fence and stands there looking stupid taking a third called strike. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 11, 2021 21:05:32 GMT -6
Altuve 0/5 after a 3/4. Just another hitter on this team who’s inconsistent. But it’s the league’s best offense. The worst of his 0-5 was getting called out on strikes in the 9th with the tying RISP. The league's best offense isn't consistent with RISP. Like last night, our starting pitcher sucked and the pen came in and put up zeros. Last night the offense came through.......Tonight, they shit the bed. RISP hitting will determine how far they go this season. So far, scoring with a runner at 3rd with less than two outs is next to impossible. They often just don’t make productive outs and play right into defenses. You think they’d turn the corner after last night, but it’s more of the same offense post-win streak. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 11, 2021 21:06:06 GMT -6
When have you seen Conference MVP's in college sports selected from losing teams? It doesn't happen. Good for him. A Stanford QB wins an award 40 years ago and that is the best you can come up with, genius. LOL |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 11, 2021 21:09:38 GMT -6
The worst of his 0-5 was getting called out on strikes in the 9th with the tying RISP. The league's best offense isn't consistent with RISP. Like last night, our starting pitcher sucked and the pen came in and put up zeros. Last night the offense came through.......Tonight, they shit the bed. RISP hitting will determine how far they go this season. So far, scoring with a runner at 3rd with less than two outs is next to impossible. They often just don’t make productive outs and play right into defenses. You think they’d turn the corner after last night, but it’s more of the same offense post-win streak. I had rather have had just about anyone on the team up there in that situation because I knew he'd try to be the hero and hit a home run instead of just trying to get a game-tying hit. After failing to hit the home run, he takes strike three. We are terrible when it comes to situational hitting. It's always hack away and swing for the fence. Jose wasn't the only one with terrible AB's tonight......Correa, Alex, and Yuli all three sucked. Yordan and Kyle put up good AB's. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 11, 2021 21:10:18 GMT -6
Not taking anyone's side on this. Let me get this Straight. Ohtani has hit 44 HR most in the League. Batting .260 generous actually slightly less. Middle of the Pack with average. His OPS .972 5th OPP he is 61st He is middle top in other categories but only leads with HR. Pitching with 9 wins which are in a group of about 12 with a .336 ERA Leads in no categories in Pitching. Like was Mention would be considered a B level Pitcher. 115 Inning Pitched. Since he plays both sides and most of his stats are middle of the Pack but leads with 44 HR he is the best player this year notwithstanding where his team is in the standings. Yankee's had a player way back then that played both sides and his numbers were much better. No, I am not a Yankee fan just saying I think you could find someone that fits the MVP better. I don't claim to be a nerd with Baseball stats and I really just by what I see. Maybe I don't see what an MVP really is yes he is an exceptional player but certainly by the numbers isn't the best player. That would have been Judge winning over Altuve who contributed to the Astros winning more so than Judges HR's. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 11, 2021 21:14:22 GMT -6
You put too much on Ohtani. His team sucks, and they’re getting nothing from Rendon and Trout (and Pujols). It wouldn’t be fair to punish a superstar player for that. He's too stupid to understand that the MVP award isn't a team award. Pure ignorant. No, genius. It should be a team award because an MVP leads the TEAM to a title. If his team doesn't win, his numbers don't win shit. You can spin it any way you choose, but, I am not the one who is ignorant in this case. Perhaps, since I'm "stupid", and "ignorant" regarding baseball, maybe you can educate me and the rest by sharing all of your vast baseball knowledge so that we can all benefit from your expertise. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 11, 2021 21:20:32 GMT -6
Not taking anyone's side on this. Let me get this Straight. Ohtani has hit 44 HR most in the League. Batting .260 generous actually slightly less. Middle of the Pack with average. His OPS .972 5th OPP he is 61st He is middle top in other categories but only leads with HR. Pitching with 9 wins which are in a group of about 12 with a .336 ERA Leads in no categories in Pitching. Like was Mention would be considered a B level Pitcher. 115 Inning Pitched. Since he plays both sides and most of his stats are middle of the Pack but leads with 44 HR he is the best player this year notwithstanding where his team is in the standings. Yankee's had a player way back then that played both sides and his numbers were much better. No, I am not a Yankee fan just saying I think you could find someone that fits the MVP better. I don't claim to be a nerd with Baseball stats and I really just by what I see. Maybe I don't see what an MVP really is yes he is an exceptional player but certainly by the numbers isn't the best player. That would have been Judge winning over Altuve who contributed to the Astros winning more so than Judges HR's. Miguel Cabrera arguably took an MVP away from Mike Trout because of the novelty of winning an offensive Triple Crown. |
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Post by koolade2 on Sept 11, 2021 21:28:17 GMT -6
I don't agree with Coach that it is a Team Award as it should be the Best Player this year and most times it is except when it is the Media Darling as in Ohtani. I have shown that he truly is in the middle of the Pack in Offense except he has hit the most HR's. Everybody loves the Long Ball, look at all the crying when Altuve was chosen on Media Darling Judge with his HR in NY.
Ohtani is not a top-notch Pitcher as it is what you guys call a Class B Pitcher his numbers bear that out. Only 115 inning Pitch and has given up 88 runs.
I can remember a couple of players that you were arguing shouldn't win MVP because of injuries and or Played in NY.
I get it the Media and MLB needs a face to Make Baseball look good after all the Wokeness and somehow I think choosing Ohtani as MVP is part of that Wokeness. I can think of a couple of Spanish players who are playing much better than Ohtani and one might ever win the Triple Crown or was close to it last time I look which has been a while.
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Post by Ashitaka on Sept 11, 2021 21:39:12 GMT -6
Altuve swinging for the fences and down to a knee when he only needs a base hit, and then punching out looking when he gets two strikes is horrific. Where did our All-Star go and who is this guy?
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 11, 2021 21:47:26 GMT -6
Altuve swinging for the fences and down to a knee when he only needs a base hit, and then punching out looking when he gets two strikes is horrific. Where did our All-Star go and who is this guy? When he’s the winning run, I don’t mind him swinging for the fences as much, but his approach has been terrible a lot of the time. He was a lethal hitter not only for power but for hits going the other way, which he’s almost completely scrapped from his game.On the taking strikes point, I agree. Taking a third strike, especially when a batted out can get you a run is a problem prevalent with the offense as a whole as they don’t generally hit into productive outs. Bunting runners over or even for hits would be nice, but it’s sacrilege to the SABR pundits. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 11, 2021 22:12:45 GMT -6
Ohtani is not a top-notch Pitcher as it is what you guys call a Class B Pitcher his numbers bear that out. Only 115 inning Pitch and has given up 88 runs. Sounds like a typical season from McCullers. I think if Yordan was sidelined and LMJ stepped in at DH and slugged 40 HRs, the media would hype it and Astros fans would scold the media
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 11, 2021 22:26:45 GMT -6
Someone tell Bregman he can’t just take every outside pitch. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 11, 2021 22:28:12 GMT -6
Someone tell Bregman he can’t just take every outside pitch. It’s hard yelling at a tv knowing they can’t hear you  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 11, 2021 22:29:25 GMT -6
I don't agree with Coach that it is a Team Award as it should be the Best Player this year and most times it is except when it is the Media Darling as in Ohtani. I have shown that he truly is in the middle of the Pack in Offense except he has hit the most HR's. Everybody loves the Long Ball, look at all the crying when Altuve was chosen on Media Darling Judge with his HR in NY. Ohtani is not a top-notch Pitcher as it is what you guys call a Class B Pitcher his numbers bear that out. Only 115 inning Pitch and has given up 88 runs. I can remember a couple of players that you were arguing shouldn't win MVP because of injuries and or Played in NY. I get it the Media and MLB needs a face to Make Baseball look good after all the Wokeness and somehow I think choosing Ohtani as MVP is part of that Wokeness. I can think of a couple of Spanish players who are playing much better than Ohtani and one might ever win the Triple Crown or was close to it last time I look which has been a while. What you have shown is solid evidence as to why Ohtani should NOT win the MVP. I have a hard time thinking someone who is just a DH who doubles as a mediocre pitcher. He's the guy we knocked out in the 4th inning last night. No doubt in my mind that Wokeness will play a role in getting him the award. My saying it is a team award is because I think to be the MVP you have to be "valuable" to the extent that the numbers you put up result in your team having success. Ohtani's team has been anything but successful. They are not even above .500 and sit in 4th place in a five team division. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 11, 2021 22:30:38 GMT -6
You're okay to do this cause you bought his jersey. You're to Bregman what Randy Quaid was to Charlie Sheen It’s hard yelling at a tv knowing they can’t hear you |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 11, 2021 22:32:19 GMT -6
Altuve swinging for the fences and down to a knee when he only needs a base hit, and then punching out looking when he gets two strikes is horrific. Where did our All-Star go and who is this guy? This is the guy we have seen for most of the season......home run or bust. He is the guy who advised Myles Straw, who had very little power, to try to hit home runs. He is probably the worst situational hitter on the team because he only knows to do one thing..........go up there and hack away. Our All Star departed after 2019 and we all know what was exposed at the end of that season. |
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