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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 29, 2021 15:24:40 GMT -6
Win the WS (or at least a pennant). Dusty retires and walks off as a folksy baseball hero. Promote Espada. Offer a QO to CC. Get a good free agent SS or 3B. Get a couple veteran relievers and a veteran SP. Gamble on a veteran power hitting corner IF/OF reclamation project. Be open-minded to Yordan trades. Have another good season. What has Espada done that should put him above other candidates we may have on a list? Making a QO to Correa is the same as saying we don't want him. Tell me where a FA SS or 3B is that we can sign who is the equal of Correa and I'll agree with you. Trading Yordan would be pure stupidity. So, losing Correa and Yordan would be OK with you? I guess Jose and Breggie are going to take up the slack in the offense that losing those two would leave. LOL 1. Offer Correa a 7 year/$210 million deal, get together, and, work it out for the good of the team. You know that Altuve and others want Carlos to stay. 2. If we can't work out a deal with Correa, go after Marcus Semien on a 1-2 year deal. 3. I agree with getting a couple of veteran relievers and a SP. Greinke wants to keep pitching, but, we should not offer him anything close to what he is making now. If he goes and Verlander goes, that frees up between $65-70million we have to pay Correa plus signing the relievers and a SP. 4. Under no circumstances do you trade Yordan Alvarez. He should be taught to play first base and be Yuli's replacement when the time comes. 5. I like the reclamation project idea. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 29, 2021 15:26:55 GMT -6
I haven't been paying attention! LOL I am not the one who thinks Dusty is "a magnet for FA position players". Name ONE that has signed because of his presence? Don't say Brantley because Dusty had nothing to do with it......period. True, he is well-liked, but, a lot of guys are well-liked who make lousy managers for baseball teams. Who gives a shit if he's liked by sportswriters.......how many games do they help win? I paid close attention to Dusty's comments after the Straw trade. If Dusty voiced disapproval PRIOR to the trade, and, Click ignored him, that should tell Dusty that his opinion on personnel matters doesn't carry much weight. Since he has been offered no contract extension, if he had any sense, he'd just let his contract expire at the end of the season and go home to Oakland, SF, or wherever he calls home. If Dusty thinks he got this job because he was at the top of the list of candidates, he's fooling himself. His hire was nothing but a PR move designed to appease the Commissioner's office after the sign stealing scandal. He was hired because he's black which would keep some from whining that a black candidate wasn't considered, and, because he is well respected throughout baseball circles. He sure as hell wasn't hired because of his track record of producing winners. He has had good talent and never once got any of the teams to the WS. More often than not, he lost in the division series. The Nats fired him and then won the WS in 2019 with basically the same team Dusty couldn't get past the first round. He cannot handle a pitching staff and that has been shown over and over again. I trust Crane has the good sense NOT to rehire him and waste the talent the Astros have by letting this old clown hang around. Let him go and good riddance. Straw > Maton.....but I guess Straw was expendable with Meyers. I agree that Straw> Maton. Click should have gotten more for Straw. I think Straw was seen as expendable because of Meyers and McCormick. I doubt if the presence of Siri played a part. I still think Meyers and McCormick will be better than Siri. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 29, 2021 15:37:33 GMT -6
Straw > Maton.....but I guess Straw was expendable with Meyers. I agree that Straw> Maton. Click should have gotten more for Straw. I think Straw was seen as expendable because of Meyers and McCormick. I doubt if the presence of Siri played a part. I still think Meyers and McCormick will be better than Siri. The catching prospect might end up being the best part of the deal for the Stros....Despite Maton's high spin rate, he doesn't have a devastating pitch..Well at least when you watch him pitch on TV... He is going to have to spend a lot of time in the OS with Strom, to learn how to make use of his spin rate....For now, I think he sucks... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 29, 2021 15:41:43 GMT -6
I agree that Straw> Maton. Click should have gotten more for Straw. I think Straw was seen as expendable because of Meyers and McCormick. I doubt if the presence of Siri played a part. I still think Meyers and McCormick will be better than Siri. The catching prospect might end up being the best part of the deal for the Stros....Despite Maton's high spin rate, he doesn't have a devastating pitch..Well at least when you watch him pitch on TV... He is going to have to spend a lot of time in the OS with Strom, to learn how to make use of his spin rate....For now, I think he sucks... Glad you brought up the catching prospect. I agree with you 100%. Right now, Maton does suck. He can be counted on to give up a home run when a K is needed. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 29, 2021 15:41:58 GMT -6
I agree that Straw> Maton. Click should have gotten more for Straw. I think Straw was seen as expendable because of Meyers and McCormick. I doubt if the presence of Siri played a part. I still think Meyers and McCormick will be better than Siri. The catching prospect might end up being the best part of the deal for the Stros....Despite Maton's high spin rate, he doesn't have a devastating pitch..Well at least when you watch him pitch on TV... He is going to have to spend a lot of time in the OS with Strom, to learn how to make use of his spin rate....For now, I think he sucks... Strom should spend time in the OS figuring out how to take responsibility for sucky relievers. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 29, 2021 15:56:45 GMT -6
Maton reminds me of Chad Harville. He was a reliever Hunsicker overvalued in a trade cause he thought he was primed to break out
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 29, 2021 17:09:05 GMT -6
The catching prospect might end up being the best part of the deal for the Stros....Despite Maton's high spin rate, he doesn't have a devastating pitch..Well at least when you watch him pitch on TV... He is going to have to spend a lot of time in the OS with Strom, to learn how to make use of his spin rate....For now, I think he sucks... Strom should spend time in the OS figuring out how to take responsibility for sucky relievers. And, you should spend some time researching the characteristics of a quality major league pitching coach to see what our pitchers, plus other pitchers, he has coached, already know. Strom is one of the top pitching coaches in the game. Maybe one day you will wake up and see how silly it is to keep bashing a guy with his reputation. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 29, 2021 18:11:45 GMT -6
Win the WS (or at least a pennant). Dusty retires and walks off as a folksy baseball hero. Promote Espada. Offer a QO to CC. Get a good free agent SS or 3B. Get a couple veteran relievers and a veteran SP. Gamble on a veteran power hitting corner IF/OF reclamation project. Be open-minded to Yordan trades. Have another good season. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 29, 2021 18:28:58 GMT -6
Win the WS (or at least a pennant). Dusty retires and walks off as a folksy baseball hero. Promote Espada. Offer a QO to CC. Get a good free agent SS or 3B. Get a couple veteran relievers and a veteran SP. Gamble on a veteran power hitting corner IF/OF reclamation project. Be open-minded to Yordan trades. Have another good season. What has Espada done that should put him above other candidates we may have on a list? Making a QO to Correa is the same as saying we don't want him. Tell me where a FA SS or 3B is that we can sign who is the equal of Correa and I'll agree with you. Trading Yordan would be pure stupidity. So, losing Correa and Yordan would be OK with you? I guess Jose and Breggie are going to take up the slack in the offense that losing those two would leave. LOL 1. Offer Correa a 7 year/$210 million deal, get together, and, work it out for the good of the team. You know that Altuve and others want Carlos to stay. 2. If we can't work out a deal with Correa, go after Marcus Semien on a 1-2 year deal. 3. I agree with getting a couple of veteran relievers and a SP. Greinke wants to keep pitching, but, we should not offer him anything close to what he is making now. If he goes and Verlander goes, that frees up between $65-70million we have to pay Correa plus signing the relievers and a SP. 4. Under no circumstances do you trade Yordan Alvarez. He should be taught to play first base and be Yuli's replacement when the time comes. 5. I like the reclamation project idea. Correa would not take that deal. Glad to know you would be happy with Semien as a backup plan. I would consider trading Yordan. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 29, 2021 19:27:50 GMT -6
What has Espada done that should put him above other candidates we may have on a list? Making a QO to Correa is the same as saying we don't want him. Tell me where a FA SS or 3B is that we can sign who is the equal of Correa and I'll agree with you. Trading Yordan would be pure stupidity. So, losing Correa and Yordan would be OK with you? I guess Jose and Breggie are going to take up the slack in the offense that losing those two would leave. LOL 1. Offer Correa a 7 year/$210 million deal, get together, and, work it out for the good of the team. You know that Altuve and others want Carlos to stay. 2. If we can't work out a deal with Correa, go after Marcus Semien on a 1-2 year deal. 3. I agree with getting a couple of veteran relievers and a SP. Greinke wants to keep pitching, but, we should not offer him anything close to what he is making now. If he goes and Verlander goes, that frees up between $65-70million we have to pay Correa plus signing the relievers and a SP. 4. Under no circumstances do you trade Yordan Alvarez. He should be taught to play first base and be Yuli's replacement when the time comes. 5. I like the reclamation project idea. Correa would not take that deal. Glad to know you would be happy with Semien as a backup plan. I would consider trading Yordan. So, you think it would be a good idea to trade our top HR and RBI guy? You are smarter than that. But, if you are serious about wanting our idiot manager back, I guess that makes sense. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 29, 2021 19:40:27 GMT -6
Win the WS (or at least a pennant). Dusty retires and walks off as a folksy baseball hero. Promote Espada. Offer a QO to CC. Get a good free agent SS or 3B. Get a couple veteran relievers and a veteran SP. Gamble on a veteran power hitting corner IF/OF reclamation project. Be open-minded to Yordan trades. Have another good season. The players can’t be trusted. When they ran rampantly with power, Codebreaker was the culture. The manager they loved was promptly thrown under the bus and terminated. I don’t know how bringing in a buddy-buddy manager would solve anything. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 29, 2021 19:49:52 GMT -6
Correa would not take that deal. Glad to know you would be happy with Semien as a backup plan. I would consider trading Yordan. So, you think it would be a good idea to trade our top HR and RBI guy? You are smarter than that. But, if you are serious about wanting our idiot manager back, I guess that makes sense. His knee's scare me! |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 29, 2021 19:52:01 GMT -6
Correa would not take that deal. Glad to know you would be happy with Semien as a backup plan. I would consider trading Yordan. So, you think it would be a good idea to trade our top HR and RBI guy? You are smarter than that. But, if you are serious about wanting our idiot manager back, I guess that makes sense. How much of the future do you place on the knees of Yordan? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 29, 2021 20:38:16 GMT -6
So, you think it would be a good idea to trade our top HR and RBI guy? You are smarter than that. But, if you are serious about wanting our idiot manager back, I guess that makes sense. How much of the future do you place on the knees of Yordan? Those knees seem to be holding up better than Bregman's hamstring and quads. Let's trade his ass, too. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 30, 2021 8:11:56 GMT -6
I agree about promoting Espada. The last time a manager was hired from outside the clubhouse the team didn't react well. As much as we love this group, they have a spoiled-baby mentality about them. They're spoiled by winning, spoiled by being teammates for a long time, and spoiled by buddy-pal-managers with open-door policies. I wouldn't be surprised if some front office feathers get ruffled in the press at season's end about management not doing enough to retain Carlos and Dusty The players can’t be trusted. When they ran rampantly with power, Codebreaker was the culture. The manager they loved was promptly thrown under the bus and terminated. I don’t know how bringing in a buddy-buddy manager would solve anything. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 30, 2021 8:22:15 GMT -6
The players can’t be trusted. When they ran rampantly with power, Codebreaker was the culture. The manager they loved was promptly thrown under the bus and terminated. I don’t know how bringing in a buddy-buddy manager would solve anything. Wasn't Hinch a player’s manager? |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 30, 2021 8:27:30 GMT -6
MLB hasn't been about hiring a Billy Martin-type to shake things up for a while. Ever since Bob Brenly, Mike Scioscia, Jack McKeon, Terry Francona and Ozzie Guillen won 5 World Series in a row, manager-hiring has been about finding someone who fits the clubhouse. Not the other way around Wasn't Hinch a player’s manager? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 9:25:46 GMT -6
So, you think it would be a good idea to trade our top HR and RBI guy? You are smarter than that. But, if you are serious about wanting our idiot manager back, I guess that makes sense. His knee's scare me! His knees don't concern me any more than the hamstring and quad issues that Bregman can't seem to solve. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 9:38:16 GMT -6
MLB hasn't been about hiring a Billy Martin-type to shake things up for a while. Ever since Bob Brenly, Mike Scioscia, Jack McKeon, Terry Francona and Ozzie Guillen won 5 World Series in a row, manager-hiring has been about finding someone who fits the clubhouse. Not the other way around Wasn't Hinch a player’s manager? I would say Hinch was a player's manager, and, I think many of our players resent Crane for dumping him instead of hiring an interim manager while Hinch served his suspension. Dusty was said to be "old school", but, his actions don't show it. He refrains from using the stolen base even though we have guys with speed who should be using it. The problem there seems to be the lack of a baserunning coach who can teach them how to use the speed. We never hit and run, try to take advantage of the shift, etc. Dusty has made too many bonehead moves with the bullpen to count. Yet, we have some who foolishly think it would be a mistake not to retain Dusty. One even calls him a "magnet" that would cause position players to want to sign with us. I repeat. I don't think the player want him to return. They are smart enough to realize if they win it will be in spite of his incompetence. EVERY effort should be made to re-sign Correa. EVERY effort should also be made to rid ourselves of Dusty Baker and hire someone who knows what he is doing........Someone said hiring from outside the organization had not proven to be a success. If I'm not mistaken, Hinch was hired from outside the organization and he led us to two AL pennants and a WS title. Dusty Baker has NEVER lead a team to the WS. I'm not totally opposed to many who could be available other than Buck Showalter, who seems to alienate players everywhere he goes. I wish a guy like Craig Biggio had some major league coaching experience and wanted the job because he'd be my top choice. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 30, 2021 10:09:40 GMT -6
His knees don't concern me any more than the hamstring and quad issues that Bregman can't seem to solve. There is no way we could ever count on him to play defense on a regular basis. He will be a career Dh. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 30, 2021 10:25:33 GMT -6
Wasn't Hinch a player’s manager? we have some who foolishly think it would be a mistake not to retain Dusty. One even calls him a "magnet" that would cause position players to want to sign with us. I repeat. I don't think the player want him to return. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 30, 2021 11:02:39 GMT -6
we have some who foolishly think it would be a mistake not to retain Dusty. One even calls him a "magnet" that would cause position players to want to sign with us. I repeat. I don't think the player want him to return. But then why didn’t Springer return? How does Charlie Montoyo’s reputation compare with that of Dusty Baker? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 11:09:58 GMT -6
His knees don't concern me any more than the hamstring and quad issues that Bregman can't seem to solve. There is no way we could ever count on him to play defense on a regular basis. He will be a career Dh. He could be taught to be a serviceable first baseman and split time there and being the DH. You don't just dump your top run producer because he "might" experience knee problems down the line. But, if a team knocked us over with an offer we couldn't refuse, we'd have to listen. Listening doesn't mean we have to bite. If a career DH can put up 30+ home runs a year and drive in 100 ore more runs, I'd like to have him. Who do we have on the current roster who has shown he can put up the numbers he does? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 11:17:20 GMT -6
we have some who foolishly think it would be a mistake not to retain Dusty. One even calls him a "magnet" that would cause position players to want to sign with us. I repeat. I don't think the player want him to return. I'd say I've been right more often than you. The fact that you normally disagree doesn't mean I'm wrong. You keep assuming the players want Dusty to return and claim he's a "magnet" that would draw FA position player to sign with us, but, I've never seen you post one shred of evidence to back up either claim. What FA has he caused to sign here? He has been here for two years and the only FA position player we signed was Brantley who would have signed anyway. If Dusty is such a "magnet", why didn't we sign anyone else? None of the players will come out in the media and bash Dusty, but, that doesn't mean they like how he does his job and want him to return. He can be a likeable guy and still suck as a manager. That is my view of him. I didn't say Brantley "disliked" Dusty or anyone else. I said that I don't think Dusty's presence influenced him to re-sign with us. What evidence do you have to show he came back because of Dusty? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 11:19:21 GMT -6
You've been wrong so many times, I'm probably making a safe bet disagreeing with you. It doesn't make sense to suggest Brantley re-signed even though he dislikes the manager But then why didn’t Springer return? How does Charlie Montoyo’s reputation compare with that of Dusty Baker? I think George made up his mind to leave after the scandal broke and neither Dusty nor anyone else had any influence on his decision. I don't think we made a concentrated effort to sign him, either. I don't know anything about Montoyo, but, I would think he is a better manager than John Gibbons before him. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 30, 2021 11:36:12 GMT -6
You've been wrong so many times, I'm probably making a safe bet disagreeing with you. It doesn't make sense to suggest Brantley re-signed even though he dislikes the manager But then why didn’t Springer return? How does Charlie Montoyo’s reputation compare with that of Dusty Baker? Because he pussed out on taking the consequences of being a dirty cheater. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 30, 2021 11:48:05 GMT -6
But then why didn’t Springer return? How does Charlie Montoyo’s reputation compare with that of Dusty Baker? Because he pussed out on taking the consequences of being a dirty cheater. I suppose he did thorough research on how often the Blue Jays cheat. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 30, 2021 12:05:16 GMT -6
Win the WS (or at least a pennant). Dusty retires and walks off as a folksy baseball hero. Promote Espada. Offer a QO to CC. Get a good free agent SS or 3B. Get a couple veteran relievers and a veteran SP. Gamble on a veteran power hitting corner IF/OF reclamation project. Be open-minded to Yordan trades. Have another good season. What has Espada done that should put him above other candidates we may have on a list? Making a QO to Correa is the same as saying we don't want him. Tell me where a FA SS or 3B is that we can sign who is the equal of Correa and I'll agree with you. Trading Yordan would be pure stupidity. So, losing Correa and Yordan would be OK with you? I guess Jose and Breggie are going to take up the slack in the offense that losing those two would leave. LOL 1. Offer Correa a 7 year/$210 million deal, get together, and, work it out for the good of the team. You know that Altuve and others want Carlos to stay. 2. If we can't work out a deal with Correa, go after Marcus Semien on a 1-2 year deal. 3. I agree with getting a couple of veteran relievers and a SP. Greinke wants to keep pitching, but, we should not offer him anything close to what he is making now. If he goes and Verlander goes, that frees up between $65-70million we have to pay Correa plus signing the relievers and a SP. 4. Under no circumstances do you trade Yordan Alvarez. He should be taught to play first base and be Yuli's replacement when the time comes. 5. I like the reclamation project idea. 1. I think Espada has put in his time and he's been a part of this winning franchise for a few years now. He came in right after the sign-stealing stuff so he wasn't a part of all of that. And the player seem to do well with him. A better question would be why NOT Espada? 2. The QO would be if it doesn't look like they can re-sign him. If they can re-sign him, I'm okay with it. Although I do think he'll get overpaid. If a deal doesn't look likely, I'd be totally for going after Kris Bryant and moving Bregman, or getting Semien. 3. I'm not saying we NEED to trade Yordan. I'm just saying that we should be open to it if we can get players to fill other areas. This is now the third year in a row where he has had documented soreness (or worse) in his legs. If somebody offered a good haul for him, we should consider it. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 30, 2021 12:09:59 GMT -6
You've been wrong so many times, I'm probably making a safe bet disagreeing with you. It doesn't make sense to suggest Brantley re-signed even though he dislikes the manager But then why didn’t Springer return? How does Charlie Montoyo’s reputation compare with that of Dusty Baker? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 30, 2021 12:14:50 GMT -6
But then why didn’t Springer return? How does Charlie Montoyo’s reputation compare with that of Dusty Baker? Same thing happened to Springer happened to Bryant in Chicago. |
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