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Post by Saint on Sept 30, 2021 12:18:32 GMT -6
But then why didn’t Springer return? How does Charlie Montoyo’s reputation compare with that of Dusty Baker? Springer had been peeved at the front office ever since they manipulated his service time, which delayed his eligibility for free agency by twelve months. It had been obvious for a while that he wasn't going to return when his contract was upThat's exactly right. And he said multiple times about his desire to be closer to the east coast. He was never going to stay.
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 30, 2021 12:23:17 GMT -6
You've been wrong so many times, I'm probably making a safe bet disagreeing with you. It doesn't make sense to suggest Brantley re-signed even though he dislikes the manager I'd say I've been right more often than you. The fact that you normally disagree doesn't mean I'm wrong. You keep assuming the players want Dusty to return and claim he's a "magnet" that would draw FA position player to sign with us, but, I've never seen you post one shred of evidence to back up either claim. You have no evidence the players agree with you, that Dusty is terrible and they want him gone. We're both guessing. I think my guess is right, the team doesn't dislike Dusty as much as you do
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 30, 2021 12:26:23 GMT -6
Springer had been peeved at the front office ever since they manipulated his service time, which delayed his eligibility for free agency by twelve months. It had been obvious for a while that he wasn't going to return when his contract was up Same thing happened to Springer happened to Bryant in Chicago. Correa too. Carlos said he'd like to stay long-term, so I assume it didn't bother him as much as it irked George
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Post by Saint on Sept 30, 2021 12:31:30 GMT -6
CC seems more business minded than Springer. Springer just wanted as much money as he could get on the east coast. He knew it wouldn't be the Astros because he felt screwed over already.
CC understands both sides. Which is why he won't budge on his end since he thinks he knows what he should be valued at.
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 30, 2021 12:33:39 GMT -6
Same thing happened to Springer happened to Bryant in Chicago. Correa too. Carlos said he'd like to stay long-term, so I assume it didn't bother him as much as it irked GeorgeLooks like the Blue Jays might not make the playoffs...I think George being on the IL for so many games (basically 1/2 the games)was probably one of the key reasons in why the Jays didn't make the playoffs... Carlos, wherever he plays for next year, I think will be back to missing games after he signs his big contract.
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 30, 2021 12:42:00 GMT -6
CC seems more business minded than Springer. Springer just wanted as much money as he could get on the east coast. He knew it wouldn't be the Astros because he felt screwed over already. CC understands both sides. Which is why he won't budge on his end since he thinks he knows what he should be valued at. Carlos is going to get paid. I just wish he would be open minded to a 3 year/112M deal...He, along with Altuve (his mentor) and Bregmanwould be signed on for the same amount of time. However, he would be making by far the most over that time period, $37m a year for 3 years....And if 2021 season is just showing what he can do, thus he is really entering prime years, then he would produce even better over the next 3 years.....and still being just 30 after the 2024 season, he should be able to command a great 5-6 year deal with teams in need of a SS.
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 30, 2021 12:43:37 GMT -6
Correa too. Carlos said he'd like to stay long-term, so I assume it didn't bother him as much as it irked George Looks like the Blue Jays might not make the playoffs...I think George being on the IL for so many games (basically 1/2 the games)was probably one of the key reasons in why the Jays didn't make the playoffs... Carlos, wherever he plays for next year, I think will be back to missing games after he signs his big contract. We're more irritated by his tiresome injures than other fans. He can take a 9-year deal from somewhere if offered as far as I'm concerned
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Post by Saint on Sept 30, 2021 12:45:13 GMT -6
Correa too. Carlos said he'd like to stay long-term, so I assume it didn't bother him as much as it irked George Looks like the Blue Jays might not make the playoffs...I think George being on the IL for so many games (basically 1/2 the games)was probably one of the key reasons in why the Jays didn't make the playoffs... Carlos, wherever he plays for next year, I think will be back to missing games after he signs his big contract. He's the worst kind of player to project a contract for. So up and down.
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 30, 2021 12:52:53 GMT -6
Springer had been peeved at the front office ever since they manipulated his service time, which delayed his eligibility for free agency by twelve months. It had been obvious for a while that he wasn't going to return when his contract was up That's exactly right. And he said multiple times about his desire to be closer to the east coast. He was never going to stay. There were also reports he was upset about getting a club-friendly offer like Altuve's at the beginning
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Post by olpapa on Sept 30, 2021 13:23:09 GMT -6
Springer had been peeved at the front office ever since they manipulated his service time, which delayed his eligibility for free agency by twelve months. It had been obvious for a while that he wasn't going to return when his contract was up Same thing happened to Springer happened to Bryant in Chicago. .... and countless others.
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 30, 2021 13:26:58 GMT -6
It’s a bit tired hearing about how Springer was insulted by previous contract offers as if any other GM in Luhnow’s place would’ve done it differently.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 13:55:21 GMT -6
I'd say I've been right more often than you. The fact that you normally disagree doesn't mean I'm wrong. You keep assuming the players want Dusty to return and claim he's a "magnet" that would draw FA position player to sign with us, but, I've never seen you post one shred of evidence to back up either claim. You have no evidence the players agree with you, that Dusty is terrible and they want him gone. We're both guessing. I think my guess is right, the team doesn't dislike Dusty as much as you doLet's put it like this.......I have as much evidence that the players agree with me and want him gone as you do that they like him and want him to stay. I still think it's odd that they went in the tank last week about the time the story came out about Dusty wanting to return, but, he had heard nothing from the front office. Dusty's reply was "it is what it is". My gut feeling is that Crane doesn't want him back, but, we'll see. If Dusty told them he didn't like the idea of trading Straw, and, Click did it anyway, that should have sent Dusty a message.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 13:57:50 GMT -6
That's exactly right. And he said multiple times about his desire to be closer to the east coast. He was never going to stay. There were also reports he was upset about getting a club-friendly offer like Altuve's at the beginningAt the time Altuve signed his extension, George had no right to expect a better offer than Altuve. I don't think he would get a better deal from us than Altuve got. Correa is not going to accept a club-friendly deal. He won't accept a deal like Jose or Bregman signed.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 14:01:55 GMT -6
CC seems more business minded than Springer. Springer just wanted as much money as he could get on the east coast. He knew it wouldn't be the Astros because he felt screwed over already. CC understands both sides. Which is why he won't budge on his end since he thinks he knows what he should be valued at. There are a limited amount of clubs who can afford to give Correa what he really wants which is why I doubt he will get what he is expecting. We will have the money to make him a reasonable offer that he should accept due to money we have coming off the books.. But, what he sees as reasonable and what Crane thinks he's worth to the Astros may not come together and lead to an agreement. The fact is we will not be as good without him as we will with him because there is no replacement available that is his equal. As Kalas said last night, Correa is the leader of the infield and the overall leader of the club at this point.
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 30, 2021 14:15:03 GMT -6
You have no evidence the players agree with you, that Dusty is terrible and they want him gone. We're both guessing. I think my guess is right, the team doesn't dislike Dusty as much as you do Let's put it like this.......I have as much evidence that the players agree with me and want him gone as you do that they like him and want him to stay. I still think it's odd that they went in the tank last week about the time the story came out about Dusty wanting to return, but, he had heard nothing from the front office. Dusty's reply was "it is what it is". My gut feeling is that Crane doesn't want him back, but, we'll see. If Dusty told them he didn't like the idea of trading Straw, and, Click did it anyway, that should have sent Dusty a message. It's starting to look obvious Click isn't bringing Dusty back, or he would've been extended by now. That's why my theory is the clubhouse is having problems because everyone's a sad panda about ownership not doing enough to retain him and Carlos. If they're happy about Dusty leaving, they're tanking cause they want him gone sooner than the end of the season? That doesn't make sense
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 30, 2021 14:20:36 GMT -6
There were also reports he was upset about getting a club-friendly offer like Altuve's at the beginning At the time Altuve signed his extension, George had no right to expect a better offer than Altuve. I don't think he would get a better deal from us than Altuve got. Correa is not going to accept a club-friendly deal. He won't accept a deal like Jose or Bregman signed. I'm referring to Altuve's first contract. The 5yr/$18.5M deal he signed when he was 24 and about to become the best hitter on the planet. Luhnow tried to offer George a deal like that at one point, and (at least according to the news reports) George told him to pound sand
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 30, 2021 14:21:39 GMT -6
I'd say I've been right more often than you. The fact that you normally disagree doesn't mean I'm wrong. You keep assuming the players want Dusty to return and claim he's a "magnet" that would draw FA position player to sign with us, but, I've never seen you post one shred of evidence to back up either claim. You have no evidence the players agree with you, that Dusty is terrible and they want him gone. We're both guessing. I think my guess is right, the team doesn't dislike Dusty as much as you doOr that all the players campaigned to have Jork back on the team. Ha. "Verlander lurved Jork McMullet and wanted his .180 BA and 3 good catches a season in the lineup instead of using an actual baseball player!!!"
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 14:36:36 GMT -6
You have no evidence the players agree with you, that Dusty is terrible and they want him gone. We're both guessing. I think my guess is right, the team doesn't dislike Dusty as much as you do Or that all the players campaigned to have Jork back on the team. Ha. "Verlander lurved Jork McMullet and wanted his .180 BA and 3 good catches a season in the lineup instead of using an actual baseball player!!!" Right on schedule.....LOL another comment completely off the topic that doesn't mean shit. Just your way of coming up with another juvenile insult. We all know that elite defensive players are useless.......We are still waiting for you to name the "deserving players" that Marwin is stealing time from. And, for the record, I never once posted that all the players campaigned to have Jake Marisnick back on the team. I did say that Verlander said he liked having him in CF when he pitched. That is exactly what he said. But, feel free to put your normal twisted spin on it to try to sound like you know something. LOL
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 30, 2021 14:41:19 GMT -6
It’s a bit tired hearing about how Springer was insulted by previous contract offers as if any other GM in Luhnow’s place would’ve done it differently. I don't mean to pick at the scab, but folks keep asking why George isn't in Houston anymore. I'm happy to put the drama in a drawer and toss some socks on top, cause looking back it seemed like he was grasping for things to be upset at Luhnow about from the get-go
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 30, 2021 15:13:05 GMT -6
I am trying to figure out what Dusty has done to make everyone hate him. I think and hope he signs a new 2 year contract.
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 30, 2021 15:28:11 GMT -6
It’s a bit tired hearing about how Springer was insulted by previous contract offers as if any other GM in Luhnow’s place would’ve done it differently. I don't mean to pick at the scab, but folks keep asking why George isn't in Houston anymore. I'm happy to put the drama in a drawer and toss some socks on top, cause looking back it seemed like he was grasping for things to be upset at Luhnow about from the get-goI wasn’t directing anger at you. I just scoff at any perceived slight he may have had regarding a practice done by most GM’s. I do however question the player relationship with Luhnow due to comments made by Keuchel.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 16:01:04 GMT -6
I am trying to figure out what Dusty has done to make everyone hate him. I think and hope he signs a new 2 year contract. I thought you had paid attention to the games? If you have, that's an odd question. What has he done to convince you he deserves a new contract? If Crane lets him come back, he is making a bold statement that he doesn't give a damn about winning.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 16:02:40 GMT -6
I don't mean to pick at the scab, but folks keep asking why George isn't in Houston anymore. I'm happy to put the drama in a drawer and toss some socks on top, cause looking back it seemed like he was grasping for things to be upset at Luhnow about from the get-go I wasn’t directing anger at you. I just scoff at any perceived slight he may have had regarding a practice done by most GM’s. I do however question the player relationship with Luhnow due to comments made by Keuchel. According to reports, there were a lot of problems in the front office due to Luhnow's conduct.
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 30, 2021 20:29:05 GMT -6
That f***ing Dusty. That dumbass lead us to a Division title. Why do we keep him around?
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 21:24:27 GMT -6
That f***ing Dusty. That dumbass lead us to a Division title. Why do we keep him around? He didn't lead us to shit.....the players lead him. But, if we manage to win the WS, it would look bad not to let the clown come back, so I might be Ok with it. The guy that Crane needs to key on bringing back is Carlos Correa. If anyone had any doubts about his value, the doubts should have been erased by now. He came through in the clutch.....again.....a provided us with the three runs we needed to win.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 21:57:57 GMT -6
That f***ing Dusty. That dumbass lead us to a Division title. Why do we keep him around? He didn't lead us to shit.....the players lead him. But, if we manage to win the WS, it would look bad not to let the clown come back, so I might be Ok with it. The guy that Crane needs to key on bringing back is Carlos Correa. If anyone had any doubts about his value, the doubts should have been erased by now. He came through in the clutch.....again.....a provided us with the three runs we needed to win. but last night you said it was the offenses fault. So which is it Dusty’s fault, or the offense, or something in the clubhouse, or Altuve’s base running decisions, or Odorizzi’s failure to go 6 innings, or Dusty’s boy Siri, or hating on Maton? Which is it tonight? Because every night is a different pu**y a** whine from you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 22:16:14 GMT -6
I think it’s time to move on from Dusty. However, I will understand if we win the WS and he comes back.
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 30, 2021 22:17:07 GMT -6
That f***ing Dusty. That dumbass lead us to a Division title. Why do we keep him around? He didn't lead us to shit.....the players lead him. But, if we manage to win the WS, it would look bad not to let the clown come back, so I might be Ok with it. The guy that Crane needs to key on bringing back is Carlos Correa. If anyone had any doubts about his value, the doubts should have been erased by now. He came through in the clutch.....again.....a provided us with the three runs we needed to win. If Dusty came back but Strom retired, would you kill yourself?
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 22:20:40 GMT -6
Let's put it like this.......I have as much evidence that the players agree with me and want him gone as you do that they like him and want him to stay. I still think it's odd that they went in the tank last week about the time the story came out about Dusty wanting to return, but, he had heard nothing from the front office. Dusty's reply was "it is what it is". My gut feeling is that Crane doesn't want him back, but, we'll see. If Dusty told them he didn't like the idea of trading Straw, and, Click did it anyway, that should have sent Dusty a message. It's starting to look obvious Click isn't bringing Dusty back, or he would've been extended by now. That's why my theory is the clubhouse is having problems because everyone's a sad panda about ownership not doing enough to retain him and Carlos. If they're happy about Dusty leaving, they're tanking cause they want him gone sooner than the end of the season? That doesn't make senseIt is hard to imagine a team who is a serious WS contender tanking over anything like that, and, I don't think that's it, although the timing of his statement came out about the time the offense died. I think most of the players will be very upset if Crane and Click don't manage to at least make a genuine effort to keep Carlos. Much of it depends on if he really wants to come back. He is very popular with the players and the fans. Re-signing him is crucial to this team continuing to compete at the level it has over the past five years. You don't just let him go and be close to as good as they are now. Crane will have the money.....now, if he's smart enough to spend it. If he does all he can to sign Carlos and Carlos still won't stay, then, the players can't blame Crane.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2021 22:22:32 GMT -6
He didn't lead us to shit.....the players lead him. But, if we manage to win the WS, it would look bad not to let the clown come back, so I might be Ok with it. The guy that Crane needs to key on bringing back is Carlos Correa. If anyone had any doubts about his value, the doubts should have been erased by now. He came through in the clutch.....again.....a provided us with the three runs we needed to win. but last night you said it was the offenses fault. So which is it Dusty’s fault, or the offense, or something in the clubhouse, or Altuve’s base running decisions, or Odorizzi’s failure to go 6 innings, or Dusty’s boy Siri, or hating on Maton? Which is it tonight? Because every night is a different pu**y a** whine from you. Why should I give a shit what you think? Your opinion is your own and I really don't care if you like what I post. Dusty is NOT a good manager and that is obvious to those who pay attention. Siri has no business ever playing CF and doesn't belong on the playoff roster. Maton is inconsistent. Now, you can have another pu**y a** whine.
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