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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2021 21:22:13 GMT -6
I’ll start:
1. Starting pitcher(s).
2. Leadoff hitter.
3. Ace defender shortstop.
4. Re-sign Graveman.
5. Re-sign Dusty?
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 2, 2021 21:51:39 GMT -6
I’ll start: 1. Starting pitcher(s). 2. Leadoff hitter. 3. Ace defender shortstop. 4. Re-sign Graveman. 5. Re-sign Dusty? 1. totally agree 2. definitely 3. We won't get one who is as good defensively as Correa. I'd try to sign Semien and keep developing Pena. 4. Totally agree 5. I'm not sure what Crane does about this. I lean toward thinking he will be offered a new contract. I don't know who is available who would be worth signing in his place. That decision needs to be made ASAP. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 2, 2021 23:02:41 GMT -6
Pena will likely be ready sometime next season, or 2023 at the latest. Unless Semien is willing to take 1-2 years, I'm not sure he'd be a fit. And I'm betting he wants 4-5 years.
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Post by Saint on Nov 3, 2021 7:00:19 GMT -6
I’ll start: 1. Starting pitcher(s). 2. Leadoff hitter. 3. Ace defender shortstop. 4. Re-sign Graveman. 5. Re-sign Dusty? 6. Bregman to return to his 2019 self. 7. Use the catchers at their strong splits. 8. QO to JV |
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Post by dafish on Nov 3, 2021 8:01:50 GMT -6
I’ll start: 1. Starting pitcher(s). 2. Leadoff hitter. 3. Ace defender shortstop. 4. Re-sign Graveman. 5. Re-sign Dusty? 6. Bregman to return to his 2019 self. 7. Use the catchers at their strong splits. 8. QO to JV 1. Starting pitcher(s)- See No.8 Below. re:JV 2. Leadoff Hitter- Yeah, but needs to be slotted downward significantly in priority 3. Ace defender SS- It was fun having an all world infield, but some of these new signings may facilitate the need to aim low in other areas. Maybe we secure a top notch defensive , but no. 8 hitting version of SS of it in the spirit of Adam Everett or Roger Metzger. I can hear the groans, but this is part of the slap back to reality of baseball economics. 4. Resign Graveman- Definitely 5. Re-sign Dusty. Wording should be make Dusty resign. Hell No...he's gotta go. His presence puts our investment in young pitching at risk. There has to be better options out there. 6. Bregman's woes?- Do they still have sports psychologists? You can see the fear and lack of confidence in his eyes. Sometimes the cerebral issues outweigh batting mechanics. Something's up there. He's like a player who has been beaned having trouble engaging in the box. 7. Catcher issues?- I do know we need a Catcher who can bat better than 50 points below the Mendoza line. I don't care how well the machete handles pitchers or is defensively. This is especially true in the modern baseball era where stolen bases are a thing of the past. The guy pretty much became an automatic out 8. JV? I'd pass on Verlander. Too risky (A)He's pushing 40, (B) Hasn't basically pitched in 2 years. Cobwebs might not shake off. (C) Has historically faded (recent) late season (fatigue?), when we needed him most for clutch starts. (D) But.... As the playoffs taught us this year, a shortage of strong starting pitching is reciepe for disaster. I hope Click signs at least one hopefully two, top quartile pitchers from FA market. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2021 8:18:19 GMT -6
I’ll start: 1. Starting pitcher(s). 2. Leadoff hitter. 3. Ace defender shortstop. 4. Re-sign Graveman. 5. Re-sign Dusty? 6. Bregman to return to his 2019 self. 7. Use the catchers at their strong splits. 8. QO to JV At this point, how much do you believe in #6? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2021 8:22:18 GMT -6
6. Bregman to return to his 2019 self. 7. Use the catchers at their strong splits. 8. QO to JV 1. Starting pitcher(s)- See No.8 Below. re:JV 2. Leadoff Hitter- Yeah, but needs to be slotted downward significantly in priority 3. Ace defender SS- It was fun having an all world infield, but some of these new signings may facilitate the need to aim low in other areas. Maybe we secure a top notch defensive , but no. 8 hitting version of SS of it in the spirit of Adam Everett or Roger Metzger. I can hear the groans, but this is part of the slap back to reality of baseball economics. 4. Resign Graveman- Definitely 5. Re-sign Dusty. Wording should be make Dusty resign. Hell No...he's gotta go. His presence puts our investment in young pitching at risk. There has to be better options out there. 6. Bregman's woes?- Do they still have sports psychologists? You can see the fear and lack of confidence in his eyes. Sometimes the cerebral issues outweigh batting mechanics. Something's up there. He's like a player who has been beaned having trouble engaging in the box. 7. Catcher issues?- I do know we need a Catcher who can bat better than 50 points below the Mendoza line. I don't care how well the machete handles pitchers or is defensively. This is especially true in the modern baseball era where stolen bases are a thing of the past. The guy pretty much became an automatic out 8. JV? I'd pass on Verlander. Too risky (A)He's pushing 40, (B) Hasn't basically pitched in 2 years. Cobwebs might not shake off. (C) Has historically faded (recent) late season (fatigue?), when we needed him most for clutch starts. (D) But.... As the playoffs taught us this year, a shortage of strong starting pitching is reciepe for disaster. I hope Click signs at least one hopefully two, top quartile pitchers from FA market. Hitting from a SS is a bonus, in my opinion. The priority should be defense. Verlander should get a QO and nothing more. If Click can revisit a Mullins/Means trade from the Orioles, I’d be greatly for it. I’m tired of Altuve in an RBI spot with no one on base. |
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Post by dafish on Nov 3, 2021 8:27:25 GMT -6
1. Starting pitcher(s)- See No.8 Below. re:JV 2. Leadoff Hitter- Yeah, but needs to be slotted downward significantly in priority 3. Ace defender SS- It was fun having an all world infield, but some of these new signings may facilitate the need to aim low in other areas. Maybe we secure a top notch defensive , but no. 8 hitting version of SS of it in the spirit of Adam Everett or Roger Metzger. I can hear the groans, but this is part of the slap back to reality of baseball economics. 4. Resign Graveman- Definitely 5. Re-sign Dusty. Wording should be make Dusty resign. Hell No...he's gotta go. His presence puts our investment in young pitching at risk. There has to be better options out there. 6. Bregman's woes?- Do they still have sports psychologists? You can see the fear and lack of confidence in his eyes. Sometimes the cerebral issues outweigh batting mechanics. Something's up there. He's like a player who has been beaned having trouble engaging in the box. 7. Catcher issues?- I do know we need a Catcher who can bat better than 50 points below the Mendoza line. I don't care how well the machete handles pitchers or is defensively. This is especially true in the modern baseball era where stolen bases are a thing of the past. The guy pretty much became an automatic out 8. JV? I'd pass on Verlander. Too risky (A)He's pushing 40, (B) Hasn't basically pitched in 2 years. Cobwebs might not shake off. (C) Has historically faded (recent) late season (fatigue?), when we needed him most for clutch starts. (D) But.... As the playoffs taught us this year, a shortage of strong starting pitching is reciepe for disaster. I hope Click signs at least one hopefully two, top quartile pitchers from FA market. Hitting from a SS is a bonus, in my opinion. The priority should be defense. Verlander should get a QO and nothing more. If Click can revisit a Mullins/Means trade from the Orioles, I’d be greatly for it. I’m tired of Altuve in an RBI spot with no one on base. So how much is the QO? Better be seriously south of $10M |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 3, 2021 8:30:39 GMT -6
1. Starting pitcher(s)- See No.8 Below. re:JV 2. Leadoff Hitter- Yeah, but needs to be slotted downward significantly in priority 3. Ace defender SS- It was fun having an all world infield, but some of these new signings may facilitate the need to aim low in other areas. Maybe we secure a top notch defensive , but no. 8 hitting version of SS of it in the spirit of Adam Everett or Roger Metzger. I can hear the groans, but this is part of the slap back to reality of baseball economics. 4. Resign Graveman- Definitely 5. Re-sign Dusty. Wording should be make Dusty resign. Hell No...he's gotta go. His presence puts our investment in young pitching at risk. There has to be better options out there. 6. Bregman's woes?- Do they still have sports psychologists? You can see the fear and lack of confidence in his eyes. Sometimes the cerebral issues outweigh batting mechanics. Something's up there. He's like a player who has been beaned having trouble engaging in the box. 7. Catcher issues?- I do know we need a Catcher who can bat better than 50 points below the Mendoza line. I don't care how well the machete handles pitchers or is defensively. This is especially true in the modern baseball era where stolen bases are a thing of the past. The guy pretty much became an automatic out 8. JV? I'd pass on Verlander. Too risky (A)He's pushing 40, (B) Hasn't basically pitched in 2 years. Cobwebs might not shake off. (C) Has historically faded (recent) late season (fatigue?), when we needed him most for clutch starts. (D) But.... As the playoffs taught us this year, a shortage of strong starting pitching is reciepe for disaster. I hope Click signs at least one hopefully two, top quartile pitchers from FA market. Hitting from a SS is a bonus, in my opinion. The priority should be defense. Verlander should get a QO and nothing more. If Click can revisit a Mullins/Means trade from the Orioles, I’d be greatly for it. I’m tired of Altuve in an RBI spot with no one on base. Altuve, do you think he should be getting third or fourth in the lineup? |
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Post by dafish on Nov 3, 2021 8:33:33 GMT -6
Hitting from a SS is a bonus, in my opinion. The priority should be defense. Verlander should get a QO and nothing more. If Click can revisit a Mullins/Means trade from the Orioles, I’d be greatly for it. I’m tired of Altuve in an RBI spot with no one on base. Altuve, do you think he should be getting third or fourth in the lineup? Back in the early days when he seemed to have better plate discipline, he was a model No. 2 hitter. Then he thought he morphed into mini-Babe Ruth. Where he bats next year really kind of depends on what Click does elsewhere. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 3, 2021 8:45:13 GMT -6
Hitting from a SS is a bonus, in my opinion. The priority should be defense. Verlander should get a QO and nothing more. If Click can revisit a Mullins/Means trade from the Orioles, I’d be greatly for it. I’m tired of Altuve in an RBI spot with no one on base. So how much is the QO? Better be seriously south of $10M Nearly 19 million dollars. |
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Post by dafish on Nov 3, 2021 8:53:11 GMT -6
So how much is the QO? Better be seriously south of $10M Nearly 19 million dollars. Well that's a no-brainer.  |
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Post by dafish on Nov 3, 2021 9:27:55 GMT -6
As far as franchise planning, I think most of us thought (hoped) that Whitley would be in about his 2nd or 3rd season of a top 5 Cy Young award quality run.
What a f'n disaster that became.
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Post by Saint on Nov 3, 2021 11:00:32 GMT -6
6. Bregman to return to his 2019 self. 7. Use the catchers at their strong splits. 8. QO to JV At this point, how much do you believe in #6? If he gets healthy again, I think he can. I think we're going to find out soon that he has been trying to play with unresolved health issues. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 3, 2021 11:03:32 GMT -6
If Altuve's committed to this lesser AVG/OBP and higher power approach, I think he would be a great #5 hitter. He had an up and down year, but the guy flat out destroyed pitchers with RISP. .320 AVG 1.016 OPS with RISP.
Tucker
Brantley
Yordan
Gurriel
Altuve
Bregman
FA SS
Chas/Meyers
Maldonado/Castro
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 3, 2021 11:30:22 GMT -6
Deadline to accept or decline the QO is Sunday afternoon.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 3, 2021 11:32:43 GMT -6
Why no shift Bregman to Short Yuli to 3rd. Move Brantley to 1B and sign Castellanos to play LF. Win win with hitting all around.
Then go get some Starting Pitching Carlos Rodon wouldn't be a bad name
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 3, 2021 11:38:29 GMT -6
Why no shift Bregman to Short Yuli to 3rd. Move Brantley to 1B and sign Castellanos to play LF. Win win with hitting all around. Then go get some Starting Pitching Carlos Rodon wouldn't be a bad name Been waiting on you to show up! How you been? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2021 13:06:59 GMT -6
Hitting from a SS is a bonus, in my opinion. The priority should be defense. Verlander should get a QO and nothing more. If Click can revisit a Mullins/Means trade from the Orioles, I’d be greatly for it. I’m tired of Altuve in an RBI spot with no one on base. Altuve, do you think he should be getting third or fourth in the lineup? The old Altuve 2nd, the current 3rd. Honestly, no one besides Bregman (when he was good) fit the mold of a 3-hitter. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2021 13:08:27 GMT -6
At this point, how much do you believe in #6? If he gets healthy again, I think he can. I think we're going to find out soon that he has been trying to play with unresolved health issues. He was out a long time this season and last so it’s hard for me to hold out hope for “when he’s healthy”. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2021 13:09:11 GMT -6
Why no shift Bregman to Short Yuli to 3rd. Move Brantley to 1B and sign Castellanos to play LF. Win win with hitting all around. Then go get some Starting Pitching Carlos Rodon wouldn't be a bad name What about defense? That setup won’t get to many grounders. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2021 13:10:18 GMT -6
If Altuve's committed to this lesser AVG/OBP and higher power approach, I think he would be a great #5 hitter. He had an up and down year, but the guy flat out destroyed pitchers with RISP. .320 AVG 1.016 OPS with RISP. Tucker Brantley Yordan Gurriel Altuve Bregman FA SS Chas/Meyers Maldonado/Castro Yordan is too inconsistent to me to award him the prime RBI spot in the order. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 3, 2021 16:05:54 GMT -6
Pena will likely be ready sometime next season, or 2023 at the latest. Unless Semien is willing to take 1-2 years, I'm not sure he'd be a fit. And I'm betting he wants 4-5 years. I’m thinking the only one of the big name FA shortstops who might sign a one-year deal this offseason would be Story. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 3, 2021 16:08:01 GMT -6
Pena will likely be ready sometime next season, or 2023 at the latest. Unless Semien is willing to take 1-2 years, I'm not sure he'd be a fit. And I'm betting he wants 4-5 years. I’m thinking the only one of the big name FA shortstops who might sign a one-year deal this offseason would be Story. It's a likely.... |
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Post by dafish on Nov 3, 2021 16:11:36 GMT -6
Pena will likely be ready sometime next season, or 2023 at the latest. Unless Semien is willing to take 1-2 years, I'm not sure he'd be a fit. And I'm betting he wants 4-5 years. I’m thinking the only one of the big name FA shortstops who might sign a one-year deal this offseason would be Story. A lot has been made about the plethora of supersstar SS available this year via free agency. Somewhere in the first 10 rules of business is demand must meet supply. I am guessing that there may be some disappointed free agents this year based on that premise of a diluted market. |
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Post by dafish on Nov 3, 2021 16:18:58 GMT -6
If Altuve's committed to this lesser AVG/OBP and higher power approach, I think he would be a great #5 hitter. He had an up and down year, but the guy flat out destroyed pitchers with RISP. .320 AVG 1.016 OPS with RISP. Tucker Brantley Yordan Gurriel Altuve Bregman FA SS Chas/Meyers Maldonado/Castro Yordan is too inconsistent to me to award him the prime RBI spot in the order. Maybe the biggest mystery of this WS is how a guy can be an ALCS MVP, and then bat .100 in the WS. Maybe the Braves scouting staff noticed some kind of weakness. Whatever it is, I hope they have figured it out by next March. As far as long term ownership for that spot, I am betting on Tucker. I don't think we have even seen the best from him yet. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 3, 2021 16:23:14 GMT -6
I’m thinking the only one of the big name FA shortstops who might sign a one-year deal this offseason would be Story. A lot has been made about the plethora of supersstar SS available this year via free agency. Somewhere in the first 10 rules of business is demand must meet supply. I am guessing that there may be some disappointed free agents this year based on that premise of a diluted market. That is one reason I think Story might sign a one-year deal. Another reason is that some teams might be skeptical about his numbers since he plays 81 games a year at Coors field. He might take a one-year deal to increase his value and head into FA again next offseason when there won’t be a crowd of big name FA shortstop on the market. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 3, 2021 16:42:27 GMT -6
If we sign a FA who has a QO attached to him we will lose our second highest draft pick. I know our highest draft pick is #28. I’m not sure where our second highest pick falls. If we are going to forfeit our second highest pick to sign a FA, I don’t want just any FA. I’d give up my second pick to sign Robbie Ray.
I'd give up my second pick to sign Freddie Freeman (and move Bregman to SS and Yuli to 3B for his final year with the team). That said, I would rather sign Kris Bryant and keep my second pick.
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 3, 2021 16:46:45 GMT -6
If we sign a FA who has a QO attached to him we will lose our second highest draft pick. I know our highest draft pick is #28. I’m not sure where our second highest pick falls. If we are going to forfeit our second highest pick to sign a FA, I don’t want just any FA. I’d give up my second pick to sign Robbie Ray. I'd give up my second pick to sign Freddie Freeman (and move Bregman to SS and Yuli to 3B for his final year with the team). That said, I would rather sign Kris Bryant and keep my second pick. I would love Bryant and like you said, no QO is attached. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 3, 2021 16:53:45 GMT -6
These players are a lock to receive a QO:
Freddie Freeman, Clayton Kershaw, Robbie Ray, Carlos Rodón, Corey Seager, Marcus Semien, Trevor Story
Would you give up our second highest pick to sign any of these guys?
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