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Post by olpapa on Nov 4, 2021 19:37:57 GMT -6
Has Rodón ever had a full season that he didn’t miss time due to injury? No. But neither has McCullers. I’m afraid he would be another missing-in-action SP come playoff time. I would definitely forfeit our second pick to sign Ray though. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2021 4:00:20 GMT -6
No. But neither has McCullers. I’m afraid he would be another missing-in-action SP come playoff time. I would definitely forfeit our second pick to sign Ray though. Lance being unavailable when the team needed it most (like the offense) was an eye-opener. They need a couple of starters. I would also focus on Graveman too if I were Click because we don’t know if 2022 is the last of Pressly as an Astro. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 5, 2021 5:54:38 GMT -6
I’m afraid he would be another missing-in-action SP come playoff time. I would definitely forfeit our second pick to sign Ray though. Lance being unavailable when the team needed it most (like the offense) was an eye-opener. They need a couple of starters. I would also focus on Graveman too if I were Click because we don’t know if 2022 is the last of Pressly as an Astro. I concur. I expect Click to be active this off-season. One front line starter. A lesser one we might be meh on initially, but proves to be a great find. Two relievers. A SS or 3B. Extend Brantley or Yuli for 2023, to a one year deal, with a 2nd year club option. He could shop Odorizzi or Castro. If he does this above, A+ off-season. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 7:03:10 GMT -6
I like Brantley, but I'd be ready to move on from him after next year if we don't see more power. (Unless our young OFers just completely crash.) 8 HR from a LF when we're already only getting 15 from 1B isn't enough. I like that they get plenty of singles, but I feel like we could get similar overall production from our young guys or a cheaper option.
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 5, 2021 7:18:15 GMT -6
I like Brantley, but I'd be ready to move on from him after next year if we don't see more power. (Unless our young OFers just completely crash.) 8 HR from a LF when we're already only getting 15 from 1B isn't enough. I like that they get plenty of singles, but I feel like we could get similar overall production from our young guys or a cheaper option. They were one and two in batting average. I'm just hoping that the Astros offer an extension to one of them. So long as the price is right. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2021 8:01:26 GMT -6
I like Brantley, but I'd be ready to move on from him after next year if we don't see more power. (Unless our young OFers just completely crash.) 8 HR from a LF when we're already only getting 15 from 1B isn't enough. I like that they get plenty of singles, but I feel like we could get similar overall production from our young guys or a cheaper option. I love Brantley but I agree. We can’t have too many fly balls that are automatic outs. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2021 8:02:53 GMT -6
I like Brantley, but I'd be ready to move on from him after next year if we don't see more power. (Unless our young OFers just completely crash.) 8 HR from a LF when we're already only getting 15 from 1B isn't enough. I like that they get plenty of singles, but I feel like we could get similar overall production from our young guys or a cheaper option. They were one and two in batting average. I'm just hoping that the Astros offer an extension to one of them. So long as the price is right. Batting average doesn’t tell the whole story. I like Brantley and Gurriel, but they’re only getting older and less powerful. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 5, 2021 8:16:43 GMT -6
He could shop Odorizzi or Castro. Castro would be easy to flip. Odorizzi ... not-so-much. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 5, 2021 8:21:32 GMT -6
I like Brantley, but I'd be ready to move on from him after next year if we don't see more power. (Unless our young OFers just completely crash.) 8 HR from a LF when we're already only getting 15 from 1B isn't enough. I like that they get plenty of singles, but I feel like we could get similar overall production from our young guys or a cheaper option. They were one and two in batting average. I'm just hoping that the Astros offer an extension to one of them. So long as the price is right. Winning a batting title (or coming in 2nd place) just isn't enough, son. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 5, 2021 8:21:55 GMT -6
I like Brantley, but I'd be ready to move on from him after next year if we don't see more power. (Unless our young OFers just completely crash.) 8 HR from a LF when we're already only getting 15 from 1B isn't enough. I like that they get plenty of singles, but I feel like we could get similar overall production from our young guys or a cheaper option. I love Brantley but I agree. We can’t have too many fly balls that are automatic outs. Just as troubling as the deteriorating power is the drastic drop in his numbers vs left handed pitchers. Prior to 2020 Brantley hit lefties well. He batted .231 vs lefties in 2020 and just .219 vs lefties in 2021. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 5, 2021 8:22:08 GMT -6
I like Brantley, but I'd be ready to move on from him after next year if we don't see more power. (Unless our young OFers just completely crash.) 8 HR from a LF when we're already only getting 15 from 1B isn't enough. I like that they get plenty of singles, but I feel like we could get similar overall production from our young guys or a cheaper option. Uncle Mike is everything he needs to be and worth his salary. If the Astros have an internal replacement for 2023, it would make sense to go that way. Otherwise, he'll still be a good choice if he continues to hit the way he did in 2021. JMO. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 5, 2021 8:24:53 GMT -6
I like Brantley, but I'd be ready to move on from him after next year if we don't see more power. (Unless our young OFers just completely crash.) 8 HR from a LF when we're already only getting 15 from 1B isn't enough. I like that they get plenty of singles, but I feel like we could get similar overall production from our young guys or a cheaper option. Uncle Mike is everything he needs to be and worth his salary. If the Astros have an internal replacement for 2023, it would make sense to go that way. Otherwise, he'll still be a good choice if he continues to hit the way he did in 2021. JMO. I don't pay attention to other teams' fan bases, but the Astros fans have to be the worst at expecting every player on the team to be Ty Cobb or Cy Young. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 5, 2021 8:39:54 GMT -6
Wins a batting title? Doesn't hit enough HR.
Hits 40 HR? Doesn't take enough walks.
Walks a lot? Doesn't steal enough bases.
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 9:00:36 GMT -6
I like Brantley, but I'd be ready to move on from him after next year if we don't see more power. (Unless our young OFers just completely crash.) 8 HR from a LF when we're already only getting 15 from 1B isn't enough. I like that they get plenty of singles, but I feel like we could get similar overall production from our young guys or a cheaper option. They were one and two in batting average. I'm just hoping that the Astros offer an extension to one of them. So long as the price is right. And having what they did from one of them is great. But they don't offer anything on baserunning, and Brantley didn't even walk very well this year. It's hard to complain about Yuli's year even with the lack of power, but I just think we need to get more from LF than a lot of singles. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 5, 2021 9:03:49 GMT -6
Wins a batting title? Doesn't hit enough HR. Hits 40 HR? Doesn't take enough walks. Walks a lot? Doesn't steal enough bases. You had me at hello! |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 5, 2021 9:14:36 GMT -6
They were one and two in batting average. I'm just hoping that the Astros offer an extension to one of them. So long as the price is right. Winning a batting title (or coming in 2nd place) just isn't enough, son. Yeah but then people get mad at Jose for being a power hitter instead of a batting average leader.... |
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 9:18:06 GMT -6
Let me be more clear.
I like Brantley and I like Yuli. Yuli had a great year and Brantley had a solid year. I'm not really meaning to complain about their 2021 seasons. But, if we're talking about value-money-contracts in the future, let's be honest.
Yuli hit .319 with a .384 OBP and adequate defense (I'd even say it was good defense with his scooping) for $6.5 million. And we're paying him $8 million next year which he deserves. I'm not meaning to bash Yuli when I say "only 15 HRs". But, you do expect more power from a 1B, especially in the postseason. In now 73 games, he has 6 HRs in the postseason. But, he's making a reasonable salary this year and next.
Now Brantley hit .311 which looks and sounds great on the surface, but delving a little deeper...his OPS was only .799, he contributes nothing on the basepaths, and his defense wasn't good. He also has very questionable health and he'll be a year older, plus, as Papa mentioned, his numbers against lefties were down. He was paid $16 million and gets another $16 million next year. Unless we see more of a return closer to 2019 or 2020, I don't think we need to continue to pay him $10+ million a year after next year. We needed him and he was deserving of the contract he got, but, if we're talking about the future, I don't think he will be the answer for us after 2022 unless he returns for a large pay cut and/or our young OFers don't show growth.
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 9:19:46 GMT -6
Winning a batting title (or coming in 2nd place) just isn't enough, son. Yeah but then people get mad at Jose for being a power hitter instead of a batting average leader.... I don't think anybody is "mad". But it's just factual to say that Altuve was a better offensive player when he was a batting average leader than he is a power hitter. He still had a great year though. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 5, 2021 9:22:58 GMT -6
Let me be more clear. I like Brantley and I like Yuli. Yuli had a great year and Brantley had a solid year. I'm not really meaning to complain about their 2021 seasons. But, if we're talking about value-money-contracts in the future, let's be honest. Yuli hit .319 with a .384 OBP and adequate defense (I'd even say it was good defense with his scooping) for $6.5 million. And we're paying him $8 million next year which he deserves. I'm not meaning to bash Yuli when I say "only 15 HRs". But, you do expect more power from a 1B, especially in the postseason. In now 73 games, he has 6 HRs in the postseason. But, he's making a reasonable salary this year and next. Now Brantley hit .311 which looks and sounds great on the surface, but delving a little deeper...his OPS was only .799, he contributes nothing on the basepaths, and his defense wasn't good. He also has very questionable health and he'll be a year older, plus, as Papa mentioned, his numbers against lefties were down. He was paid $16 million and gets another $16 million next year. Unless we see more of a return closer to 2019 or 2020, I don't think we need to continue to pay him $10+ million a year after next year. We needed him and he was deserving of the contract he got, but, if we're talking about the future, I don't think he will be the answer for us after 2022 unless he returns for a large pay cut and/or our young OFers don't show growth. Nothing is ever good enough for you. First Altuve was overrated. Then you wanted to trade Yordan. Now it's Yuli and Uncle Mike. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 10:05:43 GMT -6
Let me be more clear. I like Brantley and I like Yuli. Yuli had a great year and Brantley had a solid year. I'm not really meaning to complain about their 2021 seasons. But, if we're talking about value-money-contracts in the future, let's be honest. Yuli hit .319 with a .384 OBP and adequate defense (I'd even say it was good defense with his scooping) for $6.5 million. And we're paying him $8 million next year which he deserves. I'm not meaning to bash Yuli when I say "only 15 HRs". But, you do expect more power from a 1B, especially in the postseason. In now 73 games, he has 6 HRs in the postseason. But, he's making a reasonable salary this year and next. Now Brantley hit .311 which looks and sounds great on the surface, but delving a little deeper...his OPS was only .799, he contributes nothing on the basepaths, and his defense wasn't good. He also has very questionable health and he'll be a year older, plus, as Papa mentioned, his numbers against lefties were down. He was paid $16 million and gets another $16 million next year. Unless we see more of a return closer to 2019 or 2020, I don't think we need to continue to pay him $10+ million a year after next year. We needed him and he was deserving of the contract he got, but, if we're talking about the future, I don't think he will be the answer for us after 2022 unless he returns for a large pay cut and/or our young OFers don't show growth. Nothing is ever good enough for you. First Altuve was overrated. Then you wanted to trade Yordan. Now it's Yuli and Uncle Mike. A. Altuve WAS overrated. In 2013. You need to move on. B. And I still do want to trade Yordan if we can get a good haul for him. C. I'm fine with Yuli for his salary right now. I just wish he showed more power again like he did in 2019 (especially in the postseason). D. So you think what he did this year is worth $16 million a year going forward? (Btw, he also didn't play in a quarter of the season.) |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2021 10:07:40 GMT -6
He could shop Odorizzi or Castro. Castro would be easy to flip. Odorizzi ... not-so-much. I don’t know why Castro is here. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 5, 2021 10:18:55 GMT -6
Nothing is ever good enough for you. First Altuve was overrated. Then you wanted to trade Yordan. Now it's Yuli and Uncle Mike. A. Altuve WAS overrated. In 2013. You need to move on. B. And I still do want to trade Yordan if we can get a good haul for him. C. I'm fine with Yuli for his salary right now. I just wish he showed more power again like he did in 2019 (especially in the postseason). D. So you think what he did this year is worth $16 million a year going forward? (Btw, he also didn't play in a quarter of the season.) Not everyone can be a super-duper all star. Everyone is overpaid. You're never going to be happy. The players you're dissing have gotten us to the WS 3 times in 5 years. That's all. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2021 10:20:13 GMT -6
A. Altuve WAS overrated. In 2013. You need to move on. B. And I still do want to trade Yordan if we can get a good haul for him. C. I'm fine with Yuli for his salary right now. I just wish he showed more power again like he did in 2019 (especially in the postseason). D. So you think what he did this year is worth $16 million a year going forward? (Btw, he also didn't play in a quarter of the season.) Not everyone can be a super-duper all star. Everyone is overpaid. You're never going to be happy. The players you're dissing have gotten us to the WS 3 times in 5 years. That's all. Do you feel there needs to be a little changing up to do to get them over the hump, or do you think it’s fine as is? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2021 10:24:18 GMT -6
Saint wants to trade Yordan because he’s cheap and thus attractive to other teams, has two bad knees, and hogs the DH spot.
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 10:27:30 GMT -6
A. Altuve WAS overrated. In 2013. You need to move on. B. And I still do want to trade Yordan if we can get a good haul for him. C. I'm fine with Yuli for his salary right now. I just wish he showed more power again like he did in 2019 (especially in the postseason). D. So you think what he did this year is worth $16 million a year going forward? (Btw, he also didn't play in a quarter of the season.) Not everyone can be a super-duper all star. Everyone is overpaid. You're never going to be happy. The players you're dissing have gotten us to the WS 3 times in 5 years. That's all. I'm not "dissing"; it's just a discussion. I'm not asking everybody to be an all-star (which it's funny you say I'm doing that when you complain about McCullers for not being an ace almost every start...). What's wrong with discussing value and saying that we might be able to get similar value for less or from other areas? It's nothing against Brantley. He has had a great career and has been very good for us. I'm just saying that I think we can get similar production (or better) from our young players or for a cheaper option. I'm not calling for us to bench him or release him. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 10:30:32 GMT -6
The bottom line is that we have limited money to go around to every position. I think we can fill Brantley's production from 2021 in a more cost effective way once his current contract is over. Now if he has more productive 2022 season maybe we re-look at things. But as of right now, I think it might be time to look in other areas once his contract is over.
Edit: And I like Yordan fine. But obviously he is limited defensively, his knees are a concern, and his value will never be higher. I'm just saying it could be worth it to consider him as a trade piece if we could get good value in return. It's not a knock on Yordan, it's the fact that anybody can DH. So if we could trade Yordan for a good SP, etc., I think it could be worth our while.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 5, 2021 10:30:41 GMT -6
Castro would be easy to flip. Odorizzi ... not-so-much. I don’t know why Castro is here. Castro is definitely useful but he's blocking Korey Lee. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 10:38:24 GMT -6
I like Brantley, but I'd be ready to move on from him after next year if we don't see more power. (Unless our young OFers just completely crash.) 8 HR from a LF when we're already only getting 15 from 1B isn't enough. I like that they get plenty of singles, but I feel like we could get similar overall production from our young guys or a cheaper option. Uncle Mike is everything he needs to be and worth his salary. If the Astros have an internal replacement for 2023, it would make sense to go that way. Otherwise, he'll still be a good choice if he continues to hit the way he did in 2021. JMO. I don't think he would be a BAD choice. But I do think we can get the same overall production for less than what we're paying him now. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 5, 2021 10:41:11 GMT -6
Not everyone can be a super-duper all star. Everyone is overpaid. You're never going to be happy. The players you're dissing have gotten us to the WS 3 times in 5 years. That's all. I'm not "dissing"; it's just a discussion. I'm not asking everybody to be an all-star (which it's funny you say I'm doing that when you complain about McCullers for not being an ace almost every start...). What's wrong with discussing value and saying that we might be able to get similar value for less or from other areas? It's nothing against Brantley. He has had a great career and has been very good for us. I'm just saying that I think we can get similar production (or better) from our young players or for a cheaper option. I'm not calling for us to bench him or release him. you wanted to trade Bagwell in 1995, didn't you? (assuming you were alive then) |
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 10:43:46 GMT -6
I'm not "dissing"; it's just a discussion. I'm not asking everybody to be an all-star (which it's funny you say I'm doing that when you complain about McCullers for not being an ace almost every start...). What's wrong with discussing value and saying that we might be able to get similar value for less or from other areas? It's nothing against Brantley. He has had a great career and has been very good for us. I'm just saying that I think we can get similar production (or better) from our young players or for a cheaper option. I'm not calling for us to bench him or release him. you wanted to trade Bagwell in 1995, didn't you? (assuming you were alive then) I was young enough at the time to not understand all that stuff. But, I certainly liked Bagwell from the beginning as a kid. Especially after I got to meet him at an autograph session at my batting cages. |
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