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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 5, 2021 10:44:49 GMT -6
Uncle Mike is everything he needs to be and worth his salary. If the Astros have an internal replacement for 2023, it would make sense to go that way. Otherwise, he'll still be a good choice if he continues to hit the way he did in 2021. JMO. I don't think he would be a BAD choice. But I do think we can get the same overall production for less than what we're paying him now. I think that's not a consideration until the offseason a year from now. In my opinion, three of the four OF positions are well set for 2022 and the only question is, do they use Siri as the fourth outfielder or go Barefoot in 2022. Personally I'd like to see Siri back in the minors for another year and maybe learn some humility. But apparently he's Dusty's boy. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 5, 2021 10:56:38 GMT -6
you wanted to trade Bagwell in 1995, didn't you? (assuming you were alive then) I was young enough at the time to not understand all that stuff. But, I certainly liked Bagwell from the beginning as a kid. Especially after I got to meet him at an autograph session at my batting cages. I guess you just still surprise me with your trains of thought. You'll excuse the shittiest performance from some players, while criticizing MVP winners and Batting Title holders and runners-up. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 11:00:12 GMT -6
I don't think he would be a BAD choice. But I do think we can get the same overall production for less than what we're paying him now. I think that's not a consideration until the offseason a year from now. In my opinion, three of the four OF positions are well set for 2022 and the only question is, do they use Siri as the fourth outfielder or go Barefoot in 2022. Personally I'd like to see Siri back in the minors for another year and maybe learn some humility. But apparently he's Dusty's boy. I only mentioned it because it was brought up to extend him past next year already. I think we need to take a wait and see approach with him. With Tucker, Chas, and Meyers I think we have at least two OF positions set for a while. Siri, who knows... It might very well be that we NEED a player like Brantley past next year if those young guys don't step into a full-time role, but I don't know that it has to be that much money. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 11:07:52 GMT -6
I was young enough at the time to not understand all that stuff. But, I certainly liked Bagwell from the beginning as a kid. Especially after I got to meet him at an autograph session at my batting cages. I guess you just still surprise me with your trains of thought. You'll excuse the shittiest performance from some players, while criticizing MVP winners and Batting Title holders and runners-up. Where was the criticism? Just because I said I think we might want to look elsewhere after next year to replace Brantley's production? It all comes down to value if we're wanting the team to be successful. I'm not going to complain much about a roleplayer making a million or less. But when players starting making $10+ million a year, I expect a little more for what is being invested. I'm certainly not mad at Brantley or want us to get rid of him right now. I'm just saying that, if his overall production in 2021 carries over to 2022 (120 games, 8 HR, weak defense, weak baserunning) that he doesn't need to be somebody we throw another $16 million per year at. It doesn't mean I have anything against him, or that he didn't earn his current contract. Just like I say that I wouldn't pay CC $30 million a year for 10 years. It doesn't mean I don't think CC is a good player, I just don't think he's worth that contract. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 5, 2021 11:11:25 GMT -6
I'm against trading Yordan, but I wouldn't favor locking in his arb-controlled years at $20M per either
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 11:17:00 GMT -6
I'm against trading Yordan, but I wouldn't favor locking in his arb-controlled years at $20M per either What if, just for example, you could get Flaherty from the Cardinals for him. Then you go sign Cruz or Soler to DH (or even a Kyle Seager who could actually contribute some on defense). |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 5, 2021 11:25:40 GMT -6
I guess you just still surprise me with your trains of thought. You'll excuse the shittiest performance from some players, while criticizing MVP winners and Batting Title holders and runners-up. Where was the criticism? Just because I said I think we might want to look elsewhere after next year to replace Brantley's production? It all comes down to value if we're wanting the team to be successful. I'm not going to complain much about a roleplayer making a million or less. But when players starting making $10+ million a year, I expect a little more for what is being invested. I'm certainly not mad at Brantley or want us to get rid of him right now. I'm just saying that, if his overall production in 2021 carries over to 2022 (120 games, 8 HR, weak defense, weak baserunning) that he doesn't need to be somebody we throw another $16 million per year at. It doesn't mean I have anything against him, or that he didn't earn his current contract. Just like I say that I wouldn't pay CC $30 million a year for 10 years. It doesn't mean I don't think CC is a good player, I just don't think he's worth that contract. You would make a great Tampa Bay Rays fan. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 5, 2021 11:30:19 GMT -6
I'm against trading Yordan, but I wouldn't favor locking in his arb-controlled years at $20M per either What if, just for example, you could get Flaherty from the Cardinals for him. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 5, 2021 11:56:54 GMT -6
In principle I agree with what Corch said about getting production from guys for relatively cheap. You just won't see me calling anyone dumb for disagreeing
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 12:07:52 GMT -6
Where was the criticism? Just because I said I think we might want to look elsewhere after next year to replace Brantley's production? It all comes down to value if we're wanting the team to be successful. I'm not going to complain much about a roleplayer making a million or less. But when players starting making $10+ million a year, I expect a little more for what is being invested. I'm certainly not mad at Brantley or want us to get rid of him right now. I'm just saying that, if his overall production in 2021 carries over to 2022 (120 games, 8 HR, weak defense, weak baserunning) that he doesn't need to be somebody we throw another $16 million per year at. It doesn't mean I have anything against him, or that he didn't earn his current contract. Just like I say that I wouldn't pay CC $30 million a year for 10 years. It doesn't mean I don't think CC is a good player, I just don't think he's worth that contract. You would make a great Tampa Bay Rays fan. No, because I do think there is room for some sentiment for some players. For example, I'm absolutely glad that we kept Biggio and Bagwell the way we did. I also hope that we keep Altuve for his entire career (unless he suddenly becomes some kind of egotistical *sshole). |
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 12:08:21 GMT -6
What if, just for example, you could get Flaherty from the Cardinals for him. Bah, come on. It's just discussion. You think Yordan is untouchable? |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 5, 2021 12:24:15 GMT -6
Not me. Y'all have at it though Bah, come on. It's just discussion. You think Yordan is untouchable? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2021 12:27:22 GMT -6
I don't think he would be a BAD choice. But I do think we can get the same overall production for less than what we're paying him now. I think that's not a consideration until the offseason a year from now. In my opinion, three of the four OF positions are well set for 2022 and the only question is, do they use Siri as the fourth outfielder or go Barefoot in 2022. Personally I'd like to see Siri back in the minors for another year and maybe learn some humility. But apparently he's Dusty's boy. Being Dusty’s boy doesn’t matter much. Straw was. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 12:36:40 GMT -6
Bah, come on. It's just discussion. You think Yordan is untouchable? Fair enough. I think that should be our main plan as well. I just also think it would be beneficial to keep our ears open for trades for him too. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 5, 2021 13:34:12 GMT -6
I think that's not a consideration until the offseason a year from now. In my opinion, three of the four OF positions are well set for 2022 and the only question is, do they use Siri as the fourth outfielder or go Barefoot in 2022. Personally I'd like to see Siri back in the minors for another year and maybe learn some humility. But apparently he's Dusty's boy. Being Dusty’s boy doesn’t matter much. Straw was. Probably matters little when it comes to whether or not he's trade fodder. But does matter in regards to whether he'll be on the active roster. JMO. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 5, 2021 14:03:47 GMT -6
I try to like every player on the team. Siri makes it difficult for me to do that.
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 5, 2021 14:13:42 GMT -6
It's official
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 5, 2021 14:15:51 GMT -6
Now go win that title, Mr. Baker!!! |
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Post by talshill on Nov 5, 2021 14:31:09 GMT -6
Now go win that title, Mr. Baker!!! Crane probably just assured that we won't. |
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Post by talshill on Nov 5, 2021 14:46:06 GMT -6
Look, Dusty's just "OK" as a manager IMO. The things I have against him are: he thinks he can plug in any BP arm in regardless of the situation, he missed multiple reviews that would have gone in the Astros' favor had he bothered to challenge, his insane attachment to Maldonado when his bat actively killed the team and wiped out any perceived defensive or game-calling value and the way he handled pitchers in general. Then I didn't care for the way he constructed the lineup, especially in the WS. You don't have time in a short series to let guys "figure it out". The Astros lost fair and square (scoring 4 runs total in the 4 losses), but he ain't Hinch.
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 5, 2021 15:11:19 GMT -6
I'm against trading Yordan, but I wouldn't favor locking in his arb-controlled years at $20M per either What if, just for example, you could get Flaherty from the Cardinals for him. Then you go sign Cruz or Soler to DH (or even a Kyle Seager who could actually contribute some on defense). I wouldn't give up four years of Yordan for two of Flaherty. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 5, 2021 15:11:49 GMT -6
For those still holding out hope, let it go!
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 5, 2021 15:19:15 GMT -6
In principle I agree with what Corch said about getting production from guys for relatively cheap. You just won't see me calling anyone dumb for disagreeing What did he say? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2021 15:33:42 GMT -6
Look, Dusty's just "OK" as a manager IMO. The things I have against him are: he thinks he can plug in any BP arm in regardless of the situation, he missed multiple reviews that would have gone in the Astros' favor had he bothered to challenge, his insane attachment to Maldonado when his bat actively killed the team and wiped out any perceived defensive or game-calling value and the way he handled pitchers in general. Then I didn't care for the way he constructed the lineup, especially in the WS. You don't have time in a short series to let guys "figure it out". The Astros lost fair and square (scoring 4 runs total in the 4 losses), but he ain't Hinch. I loved Hinch and like him better than Dusty. That being said, I really don’t care who the manager is when the players suck at the plate or on the field. I agree that he went with Bregman way too long in the 3-spot, but no one else on the team shines in that spot either. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 5, 2021 15:46:51 GMT -6
Look, Dusty's just "OK" as a manager IMO. The things I have against him are: he thinks he can plug in any BP arm in regardless of the situation, he missed multiple reviews that would have gone in the Astros' favor had he bothered to challenge, his insane attachment to Maldonado when his bat actively killed the team and wiped out any perceived defensive or game-calling value and the way he handled pitchers in general. Then I didn't care for the way he constructed the lineup, especially in the WS. You don't have time in a short series to let guys "figure it out". The Astros lost fair and square (scoring 4 runs total in the 4 losses), but he ain't Hinch. I loved Hinch and like him better than Dusty. That being said, I really don’t care who the manager is when the players suck at the plate or on the field. I agree that he went with Bregman way too long in the 3-spot, but no one else on the team shines in that spot either. I agree on Bregs. His season was pathetic. I don't think he was ever healthy. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 5, 2021 16:02:41 GMT -6
I loved Hinch and like him better than Dusty. That being said, I really don’t care who the manager is when the players suck at the plate or on the field. I agree that he went with Bregman way too long in the 3-spot, but no one else on the team shines in that spot either. I agree on Bregs. His season was pathetic. I don't think he was ever healthy. They should just bat Altuve 3rd and keep Bregman low in the lineup until he can earn everyone’s trust again. It’s been a long time with the injury excuses. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 5, 2021 16:07:36 GMT -6
What if, just for example, you could get Flaherty from the Cardinals for him. Then you go sign Cruz or Soler to DH (or even a Kyle Seager who could actually contribute some on defense). I wouldn't give up four years of Yordan for two of Flaherty. It's just an example. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 5, 2021 16:18:33 GMT -6
Only thing that concerns me aside from Dusty's faults is this means we could lose Joe Espada. I think he would've been a good manager for this group since he's been part of the clubhouse for so long
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 5, 2021 16:21:39 GMT -6
In principle I agree with what Corch said about getting production from guys for relatively cheap. You just won't see me calling anyone dumb for disagreeing What did he say? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 5, 2021 16:42:28 GMT -6
Pedro Severino C from the Orioles would be a good stop gap for the Astros behind Maldonado. Move Castro. Severing can play OF as well
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