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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 11, 2021 13:22:23 GMT -6
Who do the mlbtr guys think Click will sign?(Anthony Franco) Trevor Story. Six years, $126MM. (Steve Adams) Raisel Iglesias. Four years, $56MM. (Tim Dierkes) Carlos Rodon. One year, $25MM. (Tim Dierkes) Kendall Graveman. Three years, $27MM. I can’t see Click giving 6 years, $126 million and forfeiting a draft pick for Story. Why would Click give 4 years, $56 million and forfeit a draft pick for Iglesias when he can sign Graveman for half as ugh and keep the draft pick? Boras wants a multi-year deal for Rodón. No thanks. I think Click will sign Graveman. Letting Correa go just to pay all that to Story would be stupid beyond belief. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 11, 2021 15:18:05 GMT -6
I can’t see Click giving 6 years, $126 million and forfeiting a draft pick for Story. Why would Click give 4 years, $56 million and forfeit a draft pick for Iglesias when he can sign Graveman for half as ugh and keep the draft pick? Boras wants a multi-year deal for Rodón. No thanks. I think Click will sign Graveman. Letting Correa go just to pay all that to Story would be stupid beyond belief. Not if Correa is really seeking 250-300mm |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 11, 2021 15:22:37 GMT -6
Who do the mlbtr guys think Click will sign?(Anthony Franco) Trevor Story. Six years, $126MM. (Steve Adams) Raisel Iglesias. Four years, $56MM. (Tim Dierkes) Carlos Rodon. One year, $25MM. (Tim Dierkes) Kendall Graveman. Three years, $27MM. I can’t see Click giving 6 years, $126 million and forfeiting a draft pick for Story. Why would Click give 4 years, $56 million and forfeit a draft pick for Iglesias when he can sign Graveman for half as ugh and keep the draft pick? Boras wants a multi-year deal for Rodón. No thanks. I think Click will sign Graveman. Imo, Story would be a good signing at 6/126 |
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Post by Saint on Nov 11, 2021 15:37:06 GMT -6
Yeah I'd be all on board that deal for Story. He doesn't have the high level potential that Correa does and he's a little older, but he's been way way more consistent and healthy. Not to mention he is probably the closest we can get to replacing CC's defense. The only bad year he has had was his sophomore slump. Since then, over the last 4 seasons, he's a 118 OPS+ hitter...which is coincidentally the exact same OPS+ as CC over that same timeframe.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 11, 2021 17:18:31 GMT -6
Who do the mlbtr guys think Click will sign?(Anthony Franco) Trevor Story. Six years, $126MM. (Steve Adams) Raisel Iglesias. Four years, $56MM. (Tim Dierkes) Carlos Rodon. One year, $25MM. (Tim Dierkes) Kendall Graveman. Three years, $27MM. I can’t see Click giving 6 years, $126 million and forfeiting a draft pick for Story. Why would Click give 4 years, $56 million and forfeit a draft pick for Iglesias when he can sign Graveman for half as ugh and keep the draft pick? Boras wants a multi-year deal for Rodón. No thanks. I think Click will sign Graveman. If Story does get his predicted contract, that's six years at $21MM per. If the Astros sign Correa they won't get a pick for him. If the Astros sign Story, they'll lose a pick but gain one from Correa so that part is a wash. It's not really half-price on Graveman since those numbers are based on three years for Graveman vs four years for Iglesias. But the draft pick is definitely a factor there. But yeah, the Graveman deal seems a bit better even considering the difference in stats. |
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Post by kyledriver1980 on Nov 11, 2021 17:49:32 GMT -6
I hope Altuve goes back and works on his all field hitting approach this off-season. Would love to see a 300+ Average, 200 hit season next year.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 11, 2021 18:32:42 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 11, 2021 18:52:04 GMT -6
Saw that, but he was more for 2021 |
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Post by talshill on Nov 11, 2021 21:19:53 GMT -6
At this point I wouldn't put too much stock in anything Click has to say. He's aligning the players he has. He'll realign once FA is over.
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 11, 2021 22:01:27 GMT -6
I just want to point out that, on his career, Trevor Story has been a slightly below league-average hitter (98 wRC+) in all parks other than Coors Field. I would not want to give him a big contract, much less forfeit a pick as well.
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 11, 2021 22:04:39 GMT -6
I just want to point out that, on his career, Trevor Story has been a slightly below league-average hitter (98 wRC+) in all parks other than Coors Field. I would not want to give him a big contract, much less forfeit a pick as well. Story would smash the crawford boxes. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 11, 2021 22:38:02 GMT -6
I just want to point out that, on his career, Trevor Story has been a slightly below league-average hitter (98 wRC+) in all parks other than Coors Field. I would not want to give him a big contract, much less forfeit a pick as well. Story would smash the crawford boxes. So would Semien. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 12, 2021 3:29:29 GMT -6
I just want to point out that, on his career, Trevor Story has been a slightly below league-average hitter (98 wRC+) in all parks other than Coors Field. I would not want to give him a big contract, much less forfeit a pick as well. Story would smash the crawford boxes. The ball travels really well at Coors, I'm not sure we should expect to see any significant improvement inside MMP. I'm not saying he'd be bad, but I'm not giving 5-6 years at $20 million or more each to a guy who is likely to see a significant drop off outside of Coors. Now if he'd take $15 million for 3-4 years, sure. But even then there are options that wouldn't cost a pick like he will. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 12, 2021 7:58:04 GMT -6
A. A lot of players hit better at home, Coors or not.
B. He'd still likely be an excellent defender and healthy.
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Post by m240 on Nov 12, 2021 8:35:14 GMT -6
It seems pretty clear to me what needs to be done this winter;
we need a strong innings eating starter with proven performance and durability
the power that CC provided will not be replaced by internal options for short so we have to gain power elsewhere as power was already a weakness
we need at least two late inning arms, preferably at least one of which is a lefty,
we have plenty of money to go shopping and a few pretty good trade chips to barter with.
after the collective bargaining is done it should make for an interesting winter.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 12, 2021 8:51:40 GMT -6
A. A lot of players hit better at home, Coors or not. B. He'd still likely be an excellent defender and healthy. Go sit in timeout. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 12, 2021 8:56:17 GMT -6
the power that CC provided will not be replaced by internal options for short so we have to gain power elsewhere as power was already a weakness Did he ever hit over 20 HR in a season? |
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Post by m240 on Nov 12, 2021 9:14:19 GMT -6
the power that CC provided will not be replaced by internal options for short so we have to gain power elsewhere as power was already a weakness Did he ever hit over 20 HR in a season? Yes in 5 of the 6 complete years he played. Having said that he only exceeded 25 once, last year with 26. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 12, 2021 9:19:56 GMT -6
Blummer the eternal optimist
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Post by m240 on Nov 12, 2021 9:23:46 GMT -6
Blummer the eternal optimist Verlander would of been great in the dugout last year and would be great for the young guys next year as well |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 12, 2021 9:37:23 GMT -6
I'm at the point where maybe the Astros have Pena be the starting SS. Let the youth play, Lee is backup catcher, if Leon looks ready this upcoming season, promote him as well.
The humongous money saved there, you can go get really good players that can play multiple positions, Bryant and Canha.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 12, 2021 10:25:46 GMT -6
Here's a list of the fourteen players who received a qualifying offer. The five who've already rejected their QO are now officially free agents and their names are in large print. Their teams can move on and fill any holes in their rosters. The other nine remain somewhat in limbo until the 17th or such time as they accept or reject their QO, whichever comes first. - Brandon Belt, Giants (link)
- Nick Castellanos, Reds (link)
- Michael Conforto, Mets (link)
- Carlos Correa, Astros (link)
- Freddie Freeman, Braves (link)
- Raisel Iglesias, Angels (link)
- Robbie Ray, Blue Jays (link)
- Eduardo Rodriguez, Red Sox (link)
- Corey Seager, Dodgers (link)
- Marcus Semien, Blue Jays (link)
- Trevor Story, Rockies (link)
- Noah Syndergaard, Mets (link)
- Chris Taylor, Dodgers (link)
- Justin Verlander, Astros (link)
I get why Verlander hasn't accepted or rejected his QO. Depending upon what sort of deals are presented to him, accepting the QO might be the best option. So he won't burn that bridge just yet. What's Correa's excuse? Would he ever consider accepting the QO or has he not rejected the QO just to be difficult? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 12, 2021 10:43:57 GMT -6
Did he ever hit over 20 HR in a season? Yes in 5 of the 6 complete years he played. Having said that he only exceeded 25 once, last year with 26. My point was that we're not losing a 40-HR player. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 12, 2021 10:50:57 GMT -6
I'm at the point where maybe the Astros have Pena be the starting SS. Let the youth play, Lee is backup catcher, if Leon looks ready this upcoming season, promote him as well. The humongous money saved there, you can go get really good players that can play multiple positions, Bryant and Canha. I don’t see how replacing Correa with a rookie with no ML experience is “keeping the window open”. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 12, 2021 11:09:05 GMT -6
Expanding on my previous post, I would love for this to happen, because I think it would really help out the Astros.
Sign Kris Bryant to a 5 year/$130M deal. may have have to go 5 year/$150M. But he gives the Astros so much versatility. He can play 3B, OF and I believe 1B.
2022 - more than likely in the OF, but he can play 3B, moving Bregman to SS. 2022 OF - Brantley, Tucker and Bryant or 2022 IF - Yuli, Altuve, Bregman and Bryant
2023 - OF - Tucker, Leon/Meyers, Bryant
I would still go after Mark Canha as well, maybe for this year he would be superfluous...But after the 2022 season Yuli and Brantley will be FAs. More than likely, we might be just extending one, if one at all.
Mark Canha 3 years/36M
2022 - Canha key Bench player
2023 maybe key bench player or 1B.
Thus - Astros could trade McCormick, Siri and Castro...Possibly Diaz (would like to keep)
C - Maldonado
1B - Yuli
2b - Altuve
SS - Pena
3B - Bregman
RF - Brantley
CF - Tucker
LF - Bryant
DH - Alvarez
Bench: Lee, Diaz, Canha, Meyers, Leon (more than likely start in the minors)
Therefore this would be the 2022 Astros possibilities
C - Maldonado, Lee
1B - Yuli, Canha, Bryant
2B - Altuve, Diaz (maybe Leon?)
SS - Pena, Bregman, Diaz,Leon
3B - Bregman, Bryant, Yuli, Diaz
LF - Brantley, Alvarez, Bryant, Canha, Diaz, Leon
CF - Tucker, Meyers, Bryant, Leon, Canha
RF - Bryant, Tucker, Canha, Meyers, Leon
DH - Alvarez, Brantley, Yuli, Canha
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 12, 2021 11:10:25 GMT -6
I'm at the point where maybe the Astros have Pena be the starting SS. Let the youth play, Lee is backup catcher, if Leon looks ready this upcoming season, promote him as well. The humongous money saved there, you can go get really good players that can play multiple positions, Bryant and Canha. I don’t see how replacing Correa with a rookie with no ML experience is “keeping the window open”. It's Pena Time! Or if it's not working 3B - Bryant and SS - Bregman.... OF - Brantley, Tucker and Canha |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 12, 2021 11:25:15 GMT -6
A. A lot of players hit better at home, Coors or not. B. He'd still likely be an excellent defender and healthy. A. The difference for him is dramatic, though, a full .220 OPS spread. He's barely league-average on the road and an All-Star at home. That's a red flag for me. B. Andrelton Simmons will be an excellent defender and likely healthy, and will cost a fraction of what Story will + no draft pick. I don't dislike Story, but I'm not willing to pay him nearly what the market says he should get. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 12, 2021 11:28:02 GMT -6
Here's a list of the fourteen players who received a qualifying offer. The five who've already rejected their QO are now officially free agents and their names are in large print. Their teams can move on and fill any holes in their rosters. The other nine remain somewhat in limbo until the 17th or such time as they accept or reject their QO, whichever comes first. - Brandon Belt, Giants (link)
- Nick Castellanos, Reds (link)
- Michael Conforto, Mets (link)
- Carlos Correa, Astros (link)
- Freddie Freeman, Braves (link)
- Raisel Iglesias, Angels (link)
- Robbie Ray, Blue Jays (link)
- Eduardo Rodriguez, Red Sox (link)
- Corey Seager, Dodgers (link)
- Marcus Semien, Blue Jays (link)
- Trevor Story, Rockies (link)
- Noah Syndergaard, Mets (link)
- Chris Taylor, Dodgers (link)
- Justin Verlander, Astros (link)
I get why Verlander hasn't accepted or rejected his QO. Depending upon what sort of deals are presented to him, accepting the QO might be the best option. So he won't burn that bridge just yet. What's Correa's excuse? Would he ever consider accepting the QO or has he not rejected the QO just to be difficult? You have to wonder about it. It makes me think discussions between Correa and the Astros are on-going and at least not-totally-unproductive. You have to imagine if Crane had said "here's our best offer, take it or leave it" that Correa would have just moved on publicly at this point. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 12, 2021 11:46:47 GMT -6
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 12, 2021 12:10:45 GMT -6
This is so weird and silly after his comments about the job being too tiring and needing to live his life and maybe heading for a beach in Mexico. Then suddenly less than two weeks later he's hired by another team? What?
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