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Post by nathangarza29 on May 24, 2022 8:38:24 GMT -6
What would it take to land these guys?
Wilson Contreras C Cubs?
Andrew Chafin RP Tigers?
Jake Diekman RP Red Sox?
Tyler Stephenson C Reds?
Tommy LA Stella Utility Giants?
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Post by thomasj13 on May 24, 2022 8:46:17 GMT -6
What would it take to land these guys? Wilson Contreras C Cubs? Andrew Chafin RP Tigers? Jake Diekman RP Red Sox? Tyler Stephenson C Reds? Tommy LA Stella Utility Giants? You tell us, you have the sources. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 24, 2022 8:47:07 GMT -6
What would it take to land these guys? Wilson Contreras C Cubs? Andrew Chafin RP Tigers? Jake Diekman RP Red Sox? Tyler Stephenson C Reds? Tommy LA Stella Utility Giants? I like LaStella but that seems like a longshot since the Giants are decent. Maybe if they keep sliding, he’ll be available. I think the rest are pipe dreams with the exception of maybe Diekman. |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 24, 2022 9:49:46 GMT -6
What would it take to land these guys? Wilson Contreras C Cubs? Andrew Chafin RP Tigers? Jake Diekman RP Red Sox? Tyler Stephenson C Reds? Tommy LA Stella Utility Giants? I like LaStella but that seems like a longshot since the Giants are decent. Maybe if they keep sliding, he’ll be available. I think the rest are pipe dreams with the exception of maybe Diekman. Whachoo' talkin' bout', Wilson? |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 24, 2022 9:54:54 GMT -6
What would it take to land these guys? Wilson Contreras C Cubs? Andrew Chafin RP Tigers? Jake Diekman RP Red Sox? Tyler Stephenson C Reds? Tommy LA Stella Utility Giants? I like LaStella but that seems like a longshot since the Giants are decent. Maybe if they keep sliding, he’ll be available. I think the rest are pipe dreams with the exception of maybe Diekman. The asking price for Chafin shouldn't be outrageous. |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 24, 2022 11:10:15 GMT -6
Out of boredom...
Astros send Castro, Whitaker and Lee for
Contreras and David Hernandez.
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Post by Ashitaka on May 24, 2022 13:10:19 GMT -6
Bregman is not just "above replacement level." He's 30% above league average (replacement level is below league average) and is on-pace for nearly 5.0 WAR despite a .239 BAbip so far. And above-average defense. All that for barely more money than Brantley is making. Yet people can't stop complaining about him. Part of me almost hopes he continues on the rest of the season exactly as he is now, so years later when we inevitably have some scrub at 3B I can go "hey, remember when we had Bregman posting 4-5 WAR seasons and ya'll couldn't stop hating on him? Good times!" He's only had two seasons higher than a 4 WAR and they were three years ago. He's MAYBE on pace for a 4 WAR this season at his current rate. He's not doing close to as poorly as some would make it seem, but he also hasn't been as good as you make him sound since 2019 (when he should have been MVP). There's no maybe about it. He's posted 1.2 WAR in 42 games so far. The Astros have 119 games left. If he played as well as he has so far for all 119 of them, he's end up with 4.6 WAR. He's only missed 1 of the games this season so far (42 of 43), so even if you assume he misses another 3-4 over the course of the year from days off, he's still very comfortably on a 4.0 WAR pace or better, barring any (likely) improvement. He's easily the best 3B in this franchise's history and people can't get off his back. It's just extremely odd to me. Maybe he never posts another 8.0 WAR season. Is that the bar? Someone can't be nearly Mike Trout-level every year so let's blast him? Bregman is 0.1 WAR behind Yordan and 0.3 WAR behind Tucker, but somehow he's a huge problem and they aren't. Bregman is on pace to be four times better than a replacement player despite some poor BAbip luck so far and no one can stop criticizing him. I don't know. I can't figure it out. |
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Post by Ashitaka on May 24, 2022 13:15:12 GMT -6
Out of boredom... Astros send Castro, Whitaker and Lee for Contreras and David Hernandez. I don't know who David Hernandez is, but you want to give up Lee, the catcher of the future, and arguably our best OF prospect, for renting Contreras for a few months? |
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Post by Saint on May 24, 2022 13:23:35 GMT -6
He's only had two seasons higher than a 4 WAR and they were three years ago. He's MAYBE on pace for a 4 WAR this season at his current rate. He's not doing close to as poorly as some would make it seem, but he also hasn't been as good as you make him sound since 2019 (when he should have been MVP). There's no maybe about it. He's posted 1.2 WAR in 42 games so far. The Astros have 119 games left. If he played as well as he has so far for all 119 of them, he's end up with 4.6 WAR. He's only missed 1 of the games this season so far (42 of 43), so even if you assume he misses another 3-4 over the course of the year from days off, he's still very comfortably on a 4.0 WAR pace or better, barring any (likely) improvement. He's easily the best 3B in this franchise's history and people can't get off his back. It's just extremely odd to me. Maybe he never posts another 8.0 WAR season. Is that the bar? Someone can't be nearly Mike Trout-level every year so let's blast him? Bregman is 0.1 WAR behind Yordan and 0.3 WAR behind Tucker, but somehow he's a huge problem and they aren't. Bregman is on pace to be four times better than a replacement player despite some poor BAbip luck so far and no one can stop criticizing him. I don't know. I can't figure it out. Baseball-reference.com has him at .9 WAR putting him below 4.0 for the season at his current rate. That being said, I'm not really disagreeing with you. My original post about him was to show that a lot of the criticism is unfounded as he is actually having a very solid year. I think people are frustrated because he went from being an elite player for two years to being unhealthy and good (but not great) ever since. He's certainly not a problem player for this team, but I think the expectations (unfair or not) were that he would continue to be better than he has been. In the end, the catchers are the biggest hole in our lineup. Followed by CF and then 1B. We need more offense from Yuli for the position he plays. Obviously I don't expect the catchers to be amazing hitters, but they could be considerably better than they are. Yuli, on the other hand, plays 1B...and no matter how good he is with scoops, he needs to hit better than an 89 OPS+ and a .259 OBP. |
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Post by bearbryant on May 24, 2022 14:01:39 GMT -6
Whether Bregman should continue to bat third, the offense would be improved having Tucker bat higher in the order
Walk rate individual ranks last 21 days
2. Kyle Tucker 20.5%
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12. Yordan Alvarez 15.0%
13. Alex Bregman 14.6%
16. Michael Brantley 14.3% |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 24, 2022 14:10:31 GMT -6
Out of boredom... Astros send Castro, Whitaker and Lee for Contreras and David Hernandez. I don't know who David Hernandez is, but you want to give up Lee, the catcher of the future, and arguably our best OF prospect, for renting Contreras for a few months? I don't know why I typed Hernandez... David Robertson.... The Astros will probably re -sign Maldonado, since they have a hard-on for him ..... I would hope if they traded for Contreras, they would sign him to a three or four year deal.... Lee is an excellent defensive catcher, But I don't know if his offensive skills are going to be a noteworthy enough in the MLB....Diaz, maybe the Astros catcher successor...Leon is the Astros OF future.... |
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Post by Ashitaka on May 24, 2022 23:28:43 GMT -6
There's no maybe about it. He's posted 1.2 WAR in 42 games so far. The Astros have 119 games left. If he played as well as he has so far for all 119 of them, he's end up with 4.6 WAR. He's only missed 1 of the games this season so far (42 of 43), so even if you assume he misses another 3-4 over the course of the year from days off, he's still very comfortably on a 4.0 WAR pace or better, barring any (likely) improvement. He's easily the best 3B in this franchise's history and people can't get off his back. It's just extremely odd to me. Maybe he never posts another 8.0 WAR season. Is that the bar? Someone can't be nearly Mike Trout-level every year so let's blast him? Bregman is 0.1 WAR behind Yordan and 0.3 WAR behind Tucker, but somehow he's a huge problem and they aren't. Bregman is on pace to be four times better than a replacement player despite some poor BAbip luck so far and no one can stop criticizing him. I don't know. I can't figure it out. Baseball-reference.com has him at .9 WAR putting him below 4.0 for the season at his current rate. That being said, I'm not really disagreeing with you. My original post about him was to show that a lot of the criticism is unfounded as he is actually having a very solid year. I think people are frustrated because he went from being an elite player for two years to being unhealthy and good (but not great) ever since. He's certainly not a problem player for this team, but I think the expectations (unfair or not) were that he would continue to be better than he has been. In the end, the catchers are the biggest hole in our lineup. Followed by CF and then 1B. We need more offense from Yuli for the position he plays. Obviously I don't expect the catchers to be amazing hitters, but they could be considerably better than they are. Yuli, on the other hand, plays 1B...and no matter how good he is with scoops, he needs to hit better than an 89 OPS+ and a .259 OBP. I feel Fangraphs does WAR a lot better than BRef so I use that. Maybe some of it is semantics. How does someone define "elite?" For me someone who is 30% better than league average qualifies. I'm right there with people wanting more from him but I just can't figure actually complaining about a guy playing at a borderline All-Star level. Maybe I should point out to the critics that Breman's current 132 wRC+ is just a hair under George Springer's career 135 wRC+. So if Bregman now is a problem then I guess Springer always was. |
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Post by Saint on May 25, 2022 6:25:18 GMT -6
Baseball-reference.com has him at .9 WAR putting him below 4.0 for the season at his current rate. That being said, I'm not really disagreeing with you. My original post about him was to show that a lot of the criticism is unfounded as he is actually having a very solid year. I think people are frustrated because he went from being an elite player for two years to being unhealthy and good (but not great) ever since. He's certainly not a problem player for this team, but I think the expectations (unfair or not) were that he would continue to be better than he has been. In the end, the catchers are the biggest hole in our lineup. Followed by CF and then 1B. We need more offense from Yuli for the position he plays. Obviously I don't expect the catchers to be amazing hitters, but they could be considerably better than they are. Yuli, on the other hand, plays 1B...and no matter how good he is with scoops, he needs to hit better than an 89 OPS+ and a .259 OBP. I feel Fangraphs does WAR a lot better than BRef so I use that. Maybe some of it is semantics. How does someone define "elite?" For me someone who is 30% better than league average qualifies. I'm right there with people wanting more from him but I just can't figure actually complaining about a guy playing at a borderline All-Star level. Maybe I should point out to the critics that Breman's current 132 wRC+ is just a hair under George Springer's career 135 wRC+. So if Bregman now is a problem then I guess Springer always was. I don't think anybody here is saying Bregman is a problem. But I think it's okay to say that he hasn't been playing at the level people expected the way he did in 18-19. |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 25, 2022 6:46:52 GMT -6
I feel Fangraphs does WAR a lot better than BRef so I use that. Maybe some of it is semantics. How does someone define "elite?" For me someone who is 30% better than league average qualifies. I'm right there with people wanting more from him but I just can't figure actually complaining about a guy playing at a borderline All-Star level. Maybe I should point out to the critics that Breman's current 132 wRC+ is just a hair under George Springer's career 135 wRC+. So if Bregman now is a problem then I guess Springer always was. I don't think anybody here is saying Bregman is a problem. But I think it's okay to say that he hasn't been playing at the level people expected the way he did in 18-19. I see Bregman getting better as the season keeps going. He will have a solid season. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 25, 2022 8:07:23 GMT -6
I feel Fangraphs does WAR a lot better than BRef so I use that. Maybe some of it is semantics. How does someone define "elite?" For me someone who is 30% better than league average qualifies. I'm right there with people wanting more from him but I just can't figure actually complaining about a guy playing at a borderline All-Star level. Maybe I should point out to the critics that Breman's current 132 wRC+ is just a hair under George Springer's career 135 wRC+. So if Bregman now is a problem then I guess Springer always was. I don't think anybody here is saying Bregman is a problem. But I think it's okay to say that he hasn't been playing at the level people expected the way he did in 18-19. ***** He’s not playing at the level back when he agreed to be bought out of his arbitration years. People remember that he was once MVP runner up and should’ve actually won because Trout took one of his many injury vacations. |
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Post by Saint on May 25, 2022 8:08:51 GMT -6
I don't think anybody here is saying Bregman is a problem. But I think it's okay to say that he hasn't been playing at the level people expected the way he did in 18-19. I see Bregman getting better as the season keeps going. He will have a solid season. That's the point though, he actually is having a very solid season. It just hasn't been to the levels he has shown in the past. The good thing is that historically he is way better the 2nd half of the season. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 25, 2022 8:09:32 GMT -6
I don't think anybody here is saying Bregman is a problem. But I think it's okay to say that he hasn't been playing at the level people expected the way he did in 18-19. I see Bregman getting better as the season keeps going. He will have a solid season. With his ability to get on base, I’d be cool with a .250+ average. If he has more walks than K’s, even better. |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 25, 2022 8:13:05 GMT -6
I see Bregman getting better as the season keeps going. He will have a solid season. That's the point though, he actually is having a very solid season. It just hasn't been to the levels he has shown in the past. The good thing is that historically he is way better the 2nd half of the season. .270/.375/.460 |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 25, 2022 8:14:00 GMT -6
That's the point though, he actually is having a very solid season. It just hasn't been to the levels he has shown in the past. The good thing is that historically he is way better the 2nd half of the season. .270/.375/.460 Do you think he can get back to .900+ OPS? |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 25, 2022 8:27:22 GMT -6
Do you think he can get back to .900+ OPS? Yes, I believe he will have another .900+OPS season or two. |
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Post by bearbryant on May 25, 2022 18:06:27 GMT -6
Critiquing players we like is still something I'm getting used to. I still laugh remembering the complaints last year about Myles game everyday, reading flies, not stealing, etc. and then everyone was sad when he was traded
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Post by thomasj13 on May 25, 2022 18:36:01 GMT -6
Critiquing players we like is still something I'm getting used to. I still laugh remembering the complaints last year about Myles game everyday, reading flies, not stealing, etc. and then everyone was sad when he was traded I was always a Straw supporter |
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Post by bearbryant on May 25, 2022 18:40:41 GMT -6
Critiquing players we like is still something I'm getting used to. I still laugh remembering the complaints last year about Myles game everyday, reading flies, not stealing, etc. and then everyone was sad when he was traded I was always a Straw supporter |
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Post by Saint on May 25, 2022 19:09:14 GMT -6
Critiquing players we like is still something I'm getting used to. I still laugh remembering the complaints last year about Myles game everyday, reading flies, not stealing, etc. and then everyone was sad when he was traded I just think it's important to point out that critiquing isn't the same as wanting them gone. |
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Post by bearbryant on May 25, 2022 19:55:16 GMT -6
Critiquing players we like is still something I'm getting used to. I still laugh remembering the complaints last year about Myles game everyday, reading flies, not stealing, etc. and then everyone was sad when he was traded I just think it's important to point out that critiquing isn't the same as wanting them gone. |
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Post by bearbryant on May 26, 2022 8:47:10 GMT -6
Brad Doolittle at ESPN notes per StatCast, Bregman's hitting more flies than liners this season cause his launch angle is averaging (22.1 deg) the highest of his career
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Post by Saint on May 26, 2022 9:04:25 GMT -6
Brad Doolittle at ESPN notes per StatCast, Bregman's hitting more flies than liners this season cause his launch angle is averaging (22.1 deg) the highest of his career I wonder how much the humidor balls are affecting him... |
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Post by bearbryant on May 26, 2022 9:06:50 GMT -6
Brad Doolittle at ESPN notes per StatCast, Bregman's hitting more flies than liners this season cause his launch angle is averaging (22.1 deg) the highest of his career I wonder how much the humidor balls are affecting him... |
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Post by Saint on May 26, 2022 9:38:18 GMT -6
I wonder how much the humidor balls are affecting him... For as good as we do developing pitchers (overall, not always), I feel we're the opposite with hitters. I know I've said that before, but I feel it still holds true. |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 26, 2022 9:43:31 GMT -6
I just don't want the Astros to go in the playoffs with one of the worst hitting depth in the majors.... Even though out of a necessity, the Braves revamped their team at the trade deadline.....and blew the Astros out of the water in the WS...
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