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Post by Saint on Feb 23, 2023 15:23:53 GMT -6
I would say no right now. Counting the postseason he barely threw more than Lance last year even with Lance not playing until mid-August. Which contract is worse for the Astros now: 4 more years of McCullers at $66.25M total or 3 years of Montero at $34.5M total? You've got a non-elite non-closer reliever making only about $6 million less a season for three of those years... If you factor in some of the comparable relievers and what they got, compared to what starting pitchers are getting, I think the Montero deal is worse. (Maybe not by a lot though.) |
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Post by Ashitaka on Feb 23, 2023 16:45:48 GMT -6
I would say no right now. Counting the postseason he barely threw more than Lance last year even with Lance not playing until mid-August. Does Hunter Brown pitch more than McCullers this year? This is an interesting question because we're not sure what the plan was with him pre-LMJ discomfort. Was it going to be him in the rotation and Urquidy in the pen, or the other way around? That was going to be one of the big stories of this Spring Training. Now that will be one of the big stories in the first few weeks if LMJ returns as expected. |
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Post by inaltuvewetrust on Feb 23, 2023 18:06:38 GMT -6
Does Hunter Brown pitch more than McCullers this year? This is an interesting question because we're not sure what the plan was with him pre-LMJ discomfort. Was it going to be him in the rotation and Urquidy in the pen, or the other way around? That was going to be one of the big stories of this Spring Training. Now that will be one of the big stories in the first few weeks if LMJ returns as expected. I think I heard post-LMJ news that it would be Brown getting the 5th starter spot. Which would mean Urquidy always was gonna make the rotation. I think Brown will get plenty of starts throughout the season. Obviously to start the year until LMJ is back and Urquidy always spends a stint on the IL each year. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Feb 24, 2023 0:00:36 GMT -6
This is an interesting question because we're not sure what the plan was with him pre-LMJ discomfort. Was it going to be him in the rotation and Urquidy in the pen, or the other way around? That was going to be one of the big stories of this Spring Training. Now that will be one of the big stories in the first few weeks if LMJ returns as expected. I think I heard post-LMJ news that it would be Brown getting the 5th starter spot. Which would mean Urquidy always was gonna make the rotation. I think Brown will get plenty of starts throughout the season. Obviously to start the year until LMJ is back and Urquidy always spends a stint on the IL each year. It's weird to me. I just assumed Brown was always going to get a rotation spot. If you let JV walk but give his spot to Brown, at least there's the potential for a breakout with Brown that lets you not miss JV as much. But Urquidy obviously can't replace JV, so you're basically resigning yourself to a guaranteed significant downgrade. |
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Post by inaltuvewetrust on Feb 24, 2023 10:09:24 GMT -6
I think I heard post-LMJ news that it would be Brown getting the 5th starter spot. Which would mean Urquidy always was gonna make the rotation. I think Brown will get plenty of starts throughout the season. Obviously to start the year until LMJ is back and Urquidy always spends a stint on the IL each year. It's weird to me. I just assumed Brown was always going to get a rotation spot. If you let JV walk but give his spot to Brown, at least there's the potential for a breakout with Brown that lets you not miss JV as much. But Urquidy obviously can't replace JV, so you're basically resigning yourself to a guaranteed significant downgrade. I agree that Brown should have a rotation spot, until he proves for some reason, he is not ready for a full-time rotation spot. There are a lot of young arms in the rotation + Framber who threw a lot of innings last year. Why not run with a six-man rotation to start the year then reassess when LMJ is back? The other question I have on rotation spot, do we feel like Garcia is a shoe in for the rotation spot? I think there is an argument between him and Urquidy on who should be in the 5th spot of the rotation. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Feb 24, 2023 16:41:04 GMT -6
Whoa, this affects us (Astros are one of four MLB teams with RSNs owned by Warner)
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Post by Ashitaka on Feb 24, 2023 16:57:59 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 24, 2023 19:09:43 GMT -6
All the new rules are palatable except the pickoff rule. It’s even worse than the ghost runners. When was the last time a rule favored pitching?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 24, 2023 19:52:23 GMT -6
That's very possible. But Lance is making $17 million a year. JV is making $43 million a year. He's making 2.5 times more because of the fact that he has been such a workhorse at a high level. If Lance was able to maintain his level of pitching caliber and regularly throw 160+ innings, he'd be getting more than $17 million a year. He'd be looking closer to $25-30. But since he can't be counted on to throw more than half a season's worth on average, he is making half of what free agent ace pitchers are getting. . It's more than the money. It's the fact that he has a starting spot on the team, but only plays half the time. And when his vagina stops cramping, some other more reliable pitcher will have to take a bus to Sugar Land to allow this loser to reclaim his golden ticket. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Feb 24, 2023 22:24:25 GMT -6
All the new rules are palatable except the pickoff rule. It’s even worse than the ghost runners. When was the last time a rule favored pitching? The PED era taught MLB that home runs/offense = more excitement = more new viewers. Don't expect many, if any, rule changes to help out pitchers. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Feb 25, 2023 0:07:12 GMT -6
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Post by talshill on Feb 25, 2023 5:43:13 GMT -6
. It's more than the money. It's the fact that he has a starting spot on the team, but only plays half the time. And when his vagina stops cramping, some other more reliable pitcher will have to take a bus to Sugar Land to allow this loser to reclaim his golden ticket. You really need to come out of your shell, open up, and tell us how you really feel. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 25, 2023 14:21:30 GMT -6
And when his vagina stops cramping, some other more reliable pitcher will have to take a bus to Sugar Land to allow this loser to reclaim his golden ticket. You really need to come out of your shell, open up, and tell us how you really feel. I’m shy. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 25, 2023 16:39:29 GMT -6
You really need to come out of your shell, open up, and tell us how you really feel. I’m shy. Another love connection on an Astros forum. But to be truthful I would never would have guessed from Bortaz... Complete shocker.... Olpapa, well that cat has been long out of the bag/closet. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 25, 2023 21:26:00 GMT -6
Look at this nonsense.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 25, 2023 23:42:37 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 26, 2023 9:41:37 GMT -6
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Post by m240 on Feb 26, 2023 14:02:05 GMT -6
Back in the day of Nolan Ryan and other players of my youth a normal game would take two hours and a few minutes to complete. I used to ride the bus to watch a game and get back home before my curfew that started at 1030. Granted I would leave the stadium sometimes before the game was over but I had a small radio to listen to the games conclusion if it was a drawn out affair. Last year the average time for a game was over three hours. Everything seems to happen faster these days and baseball needs to move to keep peoples attention. The pitch clock will turn out to be a good thing and will cut down on all the drama queens looking for some camera time.
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Post by kyledriver1980 on Feb 26, 2023 16:11:42 GMT -6
I think the extension Machado got today will make extended Bregman even tougher. Can’t see Crane signing off on an extension over 6 years.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Feb 26, 2023 22:15:16 GMT -6
All the new rules are palatable except the pickoff rule. It’s even worse than the ghost runners. When was the last time a rule favored pitching? If you think the shift rule is palatable, I hate you with the white-hot passion of a thousand burning suns |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 26, 2023 23:33:51 GMT -6
All the new rules are palatable except the pickoff rule. It’s even worse than the ghost runners. When was the last time a rule favored pitching? If you think the shift rule is palatable, I hate you with the white-hot passion of a thousand burning suns I don’t like that rule either, but it’s better than telling the pitcher they only have three shots at picking off a runner. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Feb 27, 2023 1:45:40 GMT -6
I'm kind of stunned by the hatred directed specifically at the pitch clocks. The usual "they're ruining/disrespecting the sacred game of baseball!" crowd is out over it. But the amount of baseball being played is the same. Same number of innings, outs, pitches thrown, etc. The only thing that has been reduced is the standing/wandering around for no reason in-between the actual moments of baseball.
The truly interesting part is that the average time of game is now what it was "back in the day." The only thing the pitch clock has done is return baseball more to what it was for the first century of it's existence. Game times were regularly 2.25-2.5 hours back in the 80's and earlier. You'd think people would be glad to see the modern, pointless fat trimmed and baseball restored to what it was "back in my day." I'm honestly confused.
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Post by Ashitaka on Feb 27, 2023 1:46:05 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 27, 2023 6:05:20 GMT -6
What are the chances that both McCullers and Alvarez open the season on the DL? |
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Post by m240 on Feb 27, 2023 7:57:12 GMT -6
What are the chances that both McCullers and Alvarez open the season on the DL? It's probably ok for McCullers to start the season on the DL. He can come off at the end of April so Urquidy can go on it. If Alvarez is on it he won't be for long and by the end of the year I am pretty sure he will have played 130 games and given us 35 home runs. We just need to wrap up our playoff slot quick so that he can be rested going into the post season. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 27, 2023 8:12:36 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 27, 2023 8:32:30 GMT -6
I'm kind of stunned by the hatred directed specifically at the pitch clocks. The usual "they're ruining/disrespecting the sacred game of baseball!" crowd is out over it. But the amount of baseball being played is the same. Same number of innings, outs, pitches thrown, etc. The only thing that has been reduced is the standing/wandering around for no reason in-between the actual moments of baseball. The truly interesting part is that the average time of game is now what it was "back in the day." The only thing the pitch clock has done is return baseball more to what it was for the first century of its existence. Game times were regularly 2.25-2.5 hours back in the 80's and earlier. You'd think people would be glad to see the modern, pointless fat trimmed and baseball restored to what it was "back in my day." I'm honestly confused. It seems elementary to attribute over a half hour increase in the length of games to batters adjusting and pitchers stepping off mounds. |
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Post by m240 on Feb 27, 2023 8:45:17 GMT -6
I'm kind of stunned by the hatred directed specifically at the pitch clocks. The usual "they're ruining/disrespecting the sacred game of baseball!" crowd is out over it. But the amount of baseball being played is the same. Same number of innings, outs, pitches thrown, etc. The only thing that has been reduced is the standing/wandering around for no reason in-between the actual moments of baseball. The truly interesting part is that the average time of game is now what it was "back in the day." The only thing the pitch clock has done is return baseball more to what it was for the first century of its existence. Game times were regularly 2.25-2.5 hours back in the 80's and earlier. You'd think people would be glad to see the modern, pointless fat trimmed and baseball restored to what it was "back in my day." I'm honestly confused. It seems elementary to attribute over a half hour increase in the length of games to batters adjusting and pitchers stepping off mounds. I guess we will find out this year how much is pitcher/batter related and how much is actually more commercial time between innings. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 27, 2023 8:51:56 GMT -6
It seems elementary to attribute over a half hour increase in the length of games to batters adjusting and pitchers stepping off mounds. I guess we will find out this year how much is pitcher/batter related and how much is actually more commercial time between innings. I think most people don’t like a pitch clock merely because it’s sacrilegious. It’s just something we’ll have to adjust to honestly. The pickoff rule, though, is heavily skewed toward runners. I hate it. |
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Post by m240 on Feb 27, 2023 9:09:03 GMT -6
I guess we will find out this year how much is pitcher/batter related and how much is actually more commercial time between innings. I think most people don’t like a pitch clock merely because it’s sacrilegious. It’s just something we’ll have to adjust to honestly. The pickoff rule, though, is heavily skewed toward runners. I hate it. In principal I am against convoluted rules. It seems that today people work harder to figure out how to get around a rule versus just going with the concept of being a good citizen. As our society "progresses" rules are written toward reining in the exception versus guiding the masses. Morons and prima donnas ruin it for everyone else. |
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