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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 27, 2023 10:47:31 GMT -6
I think the pick off rule will lead to more injuries. The pitchers in the bullpen will have less time to warm up.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 27, 2023 11:24:29 GMT -6
My only issue with any of these rule changes is that they are unnecessary. Allowing people like Ashitaka, who would prefer the game to be played by computer in order to facilitate his beloved stats, to influence game rules is a huge mistake.
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 27, 2023 11:52:56 GMT -6
My only issue with any of these rule changes is that they are unnecessary. Allowing people like Ashitaka, who would prefer the game to be played by computer in order to facilitate his beloved stats, to influence game rules is a huge mistake. These rules should be subject to vote by the fans. After all, that’s who MLB apparently serves with these rules.
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Post by Saint on Feb 27, 2023 11:56:34 GMT -6
It's only a matter of time before ties are implemented in the regular season. It'll start at games that get to maybe the 13th or 14th inning. Then the 10th. And eventually the 9th.
Just watch.
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Post by Saint on Feb 27, 2023 11:57:40 GMT -6
My only issue with any of these rule changes is that they are unnecessary. Allowing people like Ashitaka, who would prefer the game to be played by computer in order to facilitate his beloved stats, to influence game rules is a huge mistake. These rules should be subject to vote by the fans. After all, that’s who MLB apparently serves with these rules. They're not worried about people that already watch the games. They're worried about getting more people that DON'T currently watch the games.
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 27, 2023 12:00:37 GMT -6
These rules should be subject to vote by the fans. After all, that’s who MLB apparently serves with these rules. They're not worried about people that already watch the games. They're worried about getting more people that DON'T currently watch the games. It’s great that they’re focusing on people who would leave in a second to watch Steph Curry shoot another three.
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Post by Saint on Feb 27, 2023 12:09:34 GMT -6
They're not worried about people that already watch the games. They're worried about getting more people that DON'T currently watch the games. It’s great that they’re focusing on people who would leave in a second to watch Steph Curry shoot another three. More casual fans brings in more money. That's the bottom line. For each rule change they may lose some hardcore baseball purists, but odds are they'll gain way more than that in casual fans in the short term (which means maybe more young fans in the future). I don't like it, but they're trying to make sure MLB stays relevant and prosperous.
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Post by Saint on Feb 27, 2023 12:17:05 GMT -6
Click is now the VP of Baseball Strategy for the Blue Jays.
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 27, 2023 12:30:01 GMT -6
Click is now the VP of Baseball Strategy for the Blue Jays. BJs are good...
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 27, 2023 13:02:10 GMT -6
It’s great that they’re focusing on people who would leave in a second to watch Steph Curry shoot another three. More casual fans brings in more money. That's the bottom line. For each rule change they may lose some hardcore baseball purists, but odds are they'll gain way more than that in casual fans in the short term (which means maybe more young fans in the future). I don't like it, but they're trying to make sure MLB stays relevant and prosperous. The pickoff rule goes too far. It cheapens stolen bases.
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Post by Saint on Feb 27, 2023 13:14:31 GMT -6
More casual fans brings in more money. That's the bottom line. For each rule change they may lose some hardcore baseball purists, but odds are they'll gain way more than that in casual fans in the short term (which means maybe more young fans in the future). I don't like it, but they're trying to make sure MLB stays relevant and prosperous. The pickoff rule goes too far. It cheapens stolen bases. Eh, I'm sure we'll see an uptick in SBs, but I'd be surprised if it was substantial. The analytics will stay the risks for stealing bases are too high. The guys that are already elite basestealers will get some more, and there will be a few extra here and there. Nothing major. Laying down quick tags on the bigger bases will get slightly trickier. The main thing we're losing, imo, are the fun stressful long ABs late in the game where the hitter and pitcher are trying get in each others' heads by stepping out and shaking things off. Also, I wonder how things will be handled when the pitcher and hitter start yelling at each other after brushbacks and getting pitches called on them.
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 27, 2023 13:21:06 GMT -6
It’s great that they’re focusing on people who would leave in a second to watch Steph Curry shoot another three. More casual fans brings in more money. That's the bottom line. For each rule change they may lose some hardcore baseball purists, but odds are they'll gain way more than that in casual fans in the short term (which means maybe more young fans in the future). I don't like it, but they're trying to make sure MLB stays relevant and prosperous.
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Post by Saint on Feb 27, 2023 13:27:25 GMT -6
Click is now the VP of Baseball Strategy for the Blue Jays. BJs are good... If he helps improve their bullpen, they will be a very dangerous team. Well...an even more dangerous team.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 27, 2023 13:52:13 GMT -6
It’s great that they’re focusing on people who would leave in a second to watch Steph Curry shoot another three. More casual fans brings in more money. That's the bottom line. For each rule change they may lose some hardcore baseball purists, but odds are they'll gain way more than that in casual fans in the short term (which means maybe more young fans in the future). I don't like it, but they're trying to make sure MLB stays relevant and prosperous. If they really wanted to attract casual fans, they'd remove the retarded blackouts
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Post by Saint on Feb 27, 2023 14:31:47 GMT -6
More casual fans brings in more money. That's the bottom line. For each rule change they may lose some hardcore baseball purists, but odds are they'll gain way more than that in casual fans in the short term (which means maybe more young fans in the future). I don't like it, but they're trying to make sure MLB stays relevant and prosperous. If they really wanted to attract casual fans, they'd remove the retarded blackouts Well yeah, that would obviously help. I'm guessing the money they're making from whatever agreements they have in place is worth it to them. Maybe if they add enough more fans, the blackouts won't be necessary. Who knows. The bottom line is that that don't care a ton about the fans like us in this group. Most of us will continue to watch as we do now or maybe a little less, but not enough to outweigh what adding more casual fans will do for revenue as far as they're concerned. All of the big-3 sports have added: 1. More postseason games/series to keep more fans involved in the season longer, buying tickets, and watching games on TV. 2. Rules/Changes to lessen the chances of injuries (especially to the big name players that fans pay the most to watch). 3. The concept of extra days off and load management to try and keep the best players healthier longer rather than risk wearing them out with an injury early in the season. 4. The concept of defense is becoming less focused on.
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Post by Saint on Feb 27, 2023 15:46:17 GMT -6
Dirden is off to a hot start...
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Post by Saint on Feb 27, 2023 15:47:44 GMT -6
Dirden is off to a hot start... Seth Martinez and Buttrey with solid appearances today. I'd like to see Buttrey regain his form and be a diamond in the rough.
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Post by olpapa on Feb 27, 2023 19:40:16 GMT -6
Bryan Garcia, the kid we signed to a minor league deal with a ST invite looked good today. Lots of late movement on his pitches.
Dirden 2-2 with 2 home runs in 2 games. Really has a nice swing.
Whitley sucks.
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Post by talshill on Feb 27, 2023 23:09:21 GMT -6
I think the real reason is pressure from the broadcasters. Air time is insanely expensive, from hundreds to thousands of dollars a second. I think the RSNs are tired of paying the equivalent of 15k for some hitter to step out of the box and adjust his gloves/helmet/jockstrap between pitches.
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Post by Ashitaka on Feb 28, 2023 0:48:51 GMT -6
I guess we will find out this year how much is pitcher/batter related and how much is actually more commercial time between innings. I think most people don’t like a pitch clock merely because it’s sacrilegious. It’s just something we’ll have to adjust to honestly. The pickoff rule, though, is heavily skewed toward runners. I hate it. I don't mind the pickoff rule in principle, but I think they limited them too much. I wouldn't be surprised to see it relaxed a little at some point.
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Post by churchill on Feb 28, 2023 6:47:24 GMT -6
All the new rules are palatable except the pickoff rule. It’s even worse than the ghost runners. When was the last time a rule favored pitching? If you think the shift rule is palatable, I hate you with the white-hot passion of a thousand burning suns I have wanted the shift ban for years...
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Post by Saint on Feb 28, 2023 7:15:04 GMT -6
Anybody read any of the excerpts from Evan Drellich's book? The sign-stealing stuff is what it is, but there is a lot of interesting tidbits about Luhnow's tenure going back to the beginning.
Drama between him and Porter, Hinch having a big role in getting Verlander, Luhnow basically trying screw Springer completely. So much so that Springer basically couldn't wait to get out of Houston and wanted to stick it to Luhnow. Nobody wanted Osuna but Luhnow. Etc.
I hate to give the guy money, but I'm getting curious to read it.
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 28, 2023 8:58:03 GMT -6
If you think the shift rule is palatable, I hate you with the white-hot passion of a thousand burning suns I have wanted the shift ban for years... Maybe with the shift ban it's the Angels' year finally.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 28, 2023 9:27:54 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 28, 2023 9:31:12 GMT -6
Anybody read any of the excerpts from Evan Drellich's book? The sign-stealing stuff is what it is, but there is a lot of interesting tidbits about Luhnow's tenure going back to the beginning. Drama between him and Porter, Hinch having a big role in getting Verlander, Luhnow basically trying screw Springer completely. So much so that Springer basically couldn't wait to get out of Houston and wanted to stick it to Luhnow. Nobody wanted Osuna but Luhnow. Etc. I hate to give the guy money, but I'm getting curious to read it. I’m really curious about Luhnow from the players’ perspective. Remember when Keuchel first came back to town and blasted Luhnow? I always had a feeling that Springer had a beef with Luhnow. Suspicions confirmed.
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Post by Saint on Feb 28, 2023 10:17:40 GMT -6
Anybody read any of the excerpts from Evan Drellich's book? The sign-stealing stuff is what it is, but there is a lot of interesting tidbits about Luhnow's tenure going back to the beginning. Drama between him and Porter, Hinch having a big role in getting Verlander, Luhnow basically trying screw Springer completely. So much so that Springer basically couldn't wait to get out of Houston and wanted to stick it to Luhnow. Nobody wanted Osuna but Luhnow. Etc. I hate to give the guy money, but I'm getting curious to read it. I’m really curious about Luhnow from the players’ perspective. Remember when Keuchel first came back to town and blasted Luhnow? I always had a feeling that Springer had a beef with Luhnow. Suspicions confirmed. Yeah, the eye test thing was weird. The service time exploiting happens everywhere, but it sounds like they were really working hard to screw him. (As much screwing can be done when giving somebody guaranteed multiple millions of dollars.)
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Feb 28, 2023 11:55:56 GMT -6
If you think the shift rule is palatable, I hate you with the white-hot passion of a thousand burning suns I don’t like that rule either, but it’s better than telling the pitcher they only have three shots at picking off a runner. Nope. They're both horrendous, and the shift rule is the absolute worst.
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 28, 2023 12:29:16 GMT -6
I don’t like that rule either, but it’s better than telling the pitcher they only have three shots at picking off a runner. Nope. They're both horrendous, and the shift rule is the absolute worst. Nah, the pickoff rule is worse and will be exploited by the runners. The shift rule is stupid too but not as much.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Feb 28, 2023 13:02:28 GMT -6
Nope. They're both horrendous, and the shift rule is the absolute worst. Nah, the pickoff rule is worse and will be exploited by the runners. The shift rule is stupid too but not as much. The pickoff rule is horrible but at least there seems to be a plausible reason for having it. They're trying to speed up the game and limit eliminate the countless throws to first. The shift rule will be exploited by batters who are so brain-dead stupid that they can't learn to hit to the opposite field where there are no infielders. Rewarding stupid, is absurd.
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 28, 2023 14:23:45 GMT -6
Nah, the pickoff rule is worse and will be exploited by the runners. The shift rule is stupid too but not as much. The pickoff rule is horrible but at least there seems to be a plausible reason for having it. They're trying to speed up the game and limit eliminate the countless throws to first. The shift rule will be exploited by batters who are so brain-dead stupid that they can't learn to hit to the opposite field where there are no infielders. Rewarding stupid, is absurd. But limiting it to three pickoffs is dumb. After the second pickoff, the leads will be ridiculous unless the runner is that bad at reading the pitchers. Back throws from catchers will ramp up, I guess.
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