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Post by Saint on May 5, 2023 17:46:34 GMT -6
I suppose my contention overall is why we're even bringing up Crane/Bagwell wanting Abreu as being a thing. Everybody wanted Abreu. This team is struggling because of way more than just Abreu. Bagwell's involvement in getting Abreu here didn't suddenly turn the team mediocre. It's odd to use that as an argument IMO. We are not front office personnel. We don't have access to the technology and information and scouts etc. that the front office should. They should be better than us at selecting players. It is their job to get it right. And yet they consistently don't. Even Luhnow and Click had some misses. |
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Post by Saint on May 5, 2023 17:54:10 GMT -6
If he's healthy, I'm sure Abreu will turn it around.
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Post by talshill on May 5, 2023 18:48:41 GMT -6
If he's healthy, I'm sure Abreu will turn it around. Starting tonight would be great |
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Post by Ashitaka on May 5, 2023 19:57:50 GMT -6
It's odd to use that as an argument IMO. We are not front office personnel. We don't have access to the technology and information and scouts etc. that the front office should. They should be better than us at selecting players. It is their job to get it right. And yet they consistently don't. Even Luhnow and Click had some misses. If they consistently didn't, they wouldn't have had their jobs. They did occasionally make mistakes, but more often got things right, or at least non-damaging. But again, it's about process. They followed a good process. The fact that their process was not 100% effective doesn't mean we shouldn't ever call anyone out when they make mistakes, especially when those someones are on record proving how outdated their process and thinking is. There seems to be a double-standard. No one who supports metrics claims they are perfect or 100% accurate, but the old timers like to act like any failure is proof that the stats are dumb and should be discarded and we need real baseball men to be making these decisions etc. |
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Post by Saint on May 5, 2023 20:26:26 GMT -6
And yet they consistently don't. Even Luhnow and Click had some misses. If they consistently didn't, they wouldn't have had their jobs. They did occasionally make mistakes, but more often got things right, or at least non-damaging. But again, it's about process. They followed a good process. The fact that their process was not 100% effective doesn't mean we shouldn't ever call anyone out when they make mistakes, especially when those someones are on record proving how outdated their process and thinking is. There seems to be a double-standard. No one who supports metrics claims they are perfect or 100% accurate, but the old timers like to act like any failure is proof that the stats are dumb and should be discarded and we need real baseball men to be making these decisions etc. I feel like Bagwell's comments have been partially taken out of context. I think he's mostly just said that you need a good mixture of all of it. Not all saber and not all non-saber. |
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Post by Ashitaka on May 5, 2023 23:46:39 GMT -6
Slight upside to AAA pitchers being needed; maybe they actually let Yainer play more than once a week.
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Post by Ashitaka on May 8, 2023 8:11:44 GMT -6
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Post by inaltuvewetrust on May 8, 2023 8:49:53 GMT -6
Yeah I did see this. Positive news that Jose could be back before June. With McCullers you never know, but I did hear yesterday on the broadcast that he is about a month away. |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 8, 2023 8:51:33 GMT -6
Yeah I did see this. Positive news that Jose could be back before June. With McCullers you never know, but I did hear yesterday on the broadcast that he is about a month away. He is always a month away |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 8, 2023 9:05:46 GMT -6
Yeah I did see this. Positive news that Jose could be back before June. With McCullers you never know, but I did hear yesterday on the broadcast that he is about a month away. He is always a month away I saw him at the plate yesterday during the fight. That effort probably set him back an extra month. If Whitley was watching the game on TV, HE will probably be on the IL the rest of the year. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 8, 2023 9:30:49 GMT -6
Yeah I did see this. Positive news that Jose could be back before June. With McCullers you never know, but I did hear yesterday on the broadcast that he is about a month away. Altuve had his thumb screwed back into place, and this dude Lance will take longer to return because his peepee hurt. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 8, 2023 9:32:29 GMT -6
Yeah I did see this. Positive news that Jose could be back before June. With McCullers you never know, but I did hear yesterday on the broadcast that he is about a month away. He is always a month away Unless this dude gets 10 wins, I’ll kind of have the mindset that he won’t really help. |
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Post by churchill on May 8, 2023 10:06:00 GMT -6
Yeah I did see this. Positive news that Jose could be back before June. With McCullers you never know, but I did hear yesterday on the broadcast that he is about a month away. He is always a month away Sounds a little like a line from the song " Tomorrow"... |
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Post by Saint on May 8, 2023 10:23:50 GMT -6
He is always a month away I saw him at the plate yesterday during the fight. That effort probably set him back an extra month. If Whitley was watching the game on TV, HE will probably be on the IL the rest of the year. Dusty didn't even step out of the dugout... |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 8, 2023 12:48:22 GMT -6
I saw him at the plate yesterday during the fight. That effort probably set him back an extra month. If Whitley was watching the game on TV, HE will probably be on the IL the rest of the year. Dusty didn't even step out of the dugout... Dusty is healthier than Lance. |
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Post by koolade2 on May 8, 2023 17:48:03 GMT -6
Do you guys pay any attention to the Power rankings? Since the beginning of the Season the Astros have held the #6 spot but this week they are dropped to #9. I feel even that is too high considering how poorly they have been playing.
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Post by koolade2 on May 8, 2023 17:49:18 GMT -6
I guess I should have said Y'all instead of you guys since all the boards have gone PC and Y'all covers everyone
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Post by talshill on May 8, 2023 23:59:29 GMT -6
Well it’s basically been the AAA Astros vs actual MLB players. Then the actual MLB players we have are playing like AAA players. Either that or they’re on the IL. About .500 is all one can expect from the ragamuffin group currently posing as Astros.
I hope that the arrival of Chas, Brantley and Altuve will make a difference. But probably not as long as our fastball-only 12M reliever keeps getting whacked around the ballpark and our 3b and 1b have forgotten how to hit.
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Post by bearbryant on May 9, 2023 8:42:13 GMT -6
Well it’s basically been the AAA Astros vs actual MLB players. Then the actual MLB players we have are playing like AAA players. Either that or they’re on the IL. About .500 is all one can expect from the ragamuffin group currently posing as Astros. I hope that the arrival of Chas, Brantley and Altuve will make a difference. But probably not as long as our fastball-only 12M reliever keeps getting whacked around the ballpark and our 3b and 1b have forgotten how to hit. It sucks cause it briefly looked like the cobbled-together lineup would hang in there and win some games. The lack of good at-bats up and down the order is taxing the pitching staff |
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Post by Saint on May 9, 2023 12:20:34 GMT -6
Well it’s basically been the AAA Astros vs actual MLB players. Then the actual MLB players we have are playing like AAA players. Either that or they’re on the IL. About .500 is all one can expect from the ragamuffin group currently posing as Astros. I hope that the arrival of Chas, Brantley and Altuve will make a difference. But probably not as long as our fastball-only 12M reliever keeps getting whacked around the ballpark and our 3b and 1b have forgotten how to hit. It sucks cause it briefly looked like the cobbled-together lineup would hang in there and win some games. The lack of good at-bats up and down the order is taxing the pitching staff Too many quick innings and zero confidence that they'll get any type of support has the pitching staff pitching on egg shells. You can see it in Framber's frustration his last start against SF and Brown last night. They know if they don't hold a small lead or give up a run or two extra, that they're likely going to lose. |
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Post by koolade2 on May 9, 2023 16:23:09 GMT -6
It sucks cause it briefly looked like the cobbled-together lineup would hang in there and win some games. The lack of good at-bats up and down the order is taxing the pitching staff Too many quick innings and zero confidence that they'll get any type of support has the pitching staff pitching on egg shells. You can see it in Framber's frustration his last start against SF and Brown last night. They know if they don't hold a small lead or give up a run or two extra, that they're likely going to lose. Seems to me that was an ongoing problem back before they started winning. They have still shown that when they were on the way to winning the WS. They could go games when the offense would not show up. Then they score a bunch of runs in one game and disappear again. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 9, 2023 17:35:57 GMT -6
Too many quick innings and zero confidence that they'll get any type of support has the pitching staff pitching on egg shells. You can see it in Framber's frustration his last start against SF and Brown last night. They know if they don't hold a small lead or give up a run or two extra, that they're likely going to lose. Seems to me that was an ongoing problem back before they started winning. They have still shown that when they were on the way to winning the WS. They could go games when the offense would not show up. Then they score a bunch of runs in one game and disappear again. You can get away with that when the pitching is excellent, which it is not at the moment. |
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Post by Ashitaka on May 9, 2023 17:42:12 GMT -6
It sucks cause it briefly looked like the cobbled-together lineup would hang in there and win some games. The lack of good at-bats up and down the order is taxing the pitching staff Too many quick innings and zero confidence that they'll get any type of support has the pitching staff pitching on egg shells. You can see it in Framber's frustration his last start against SF and Brown last night. They know if they don't hold a small lead or give up a run or two extra, that they're likely going to lose. Maybe we can get Oswalt to swing by MMP and help them deal with having to pitch knowing that one bad ball could cost the team the whole game. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 9, 2023 19:07:12 GMT -6
Too many quick innings and zero confidence that they'll get any type of support has the pitching staff pitching on egg shells. You can see it in Framber's frustration his last start against SF and Brown last night. They know if they don't hold a small lead or give up a run or two extra, that they're likely going to lose. Maybe we can get Oswalt to swing by MMP and help them deal with having to pitch knowing that one bad ball could cost the team the whole game. Or Clemens ca. 2005. |
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Post by Saint on May 10, 2023 8:10:58 GMT -6
Both Correa and Springer are struggling also. Correa even got booed in Minnesota yesterday.
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Post by thomasj13 on May 10, 2023 9:03:38 GMT -6
Both Correa and Springer are struggling also. Correa even got booed in Minnesota yesterday. You know what time it is: It’s Boo Time! |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 10, 2023 11:12:29 GMT -6
Ah, memories.
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Post by thomasj13 on May 10, 2023 14:21:58 GMT -6
Did he clarify which season? |
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Post by bearbryant on May 10, 2023 15:34:26 GMT -6
I'm not sure I remember Dusty wanting a veteran bat in the offseason, or who was in charge of getting him one. This is poor roster construction.
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Post by Saint on May 10, 2023 15:59:06 GMT -6
I wanted us to bring back Yuli for infield depth even with the Abreu signing. We're seeing that lack of good infield depth now. I still think the Abreu signing was the right call at the time. I didn't like the contract Montero signing, but I can understand why they did it. It just seemed like a little too much.
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