Heimlich

[Saint]

sports.yahoo.com/convicted-child-molester-likely-chosen-mlb-draft-151015468.html

I can't imagine somebody would WANT to draft him.... I don't know the whole story about his case, but Jebus...

[Deleted]

I'm vaguely familiar with this story. I heard it on the radio a few months ago. Big talent, but I hope he does not get drafted. Especially by the Stros.

[batman007]

Can he hit? Can he pitch? Sign him up.

[koolade2]

Look no defending Him but I bet there's more to the story than what was Posted

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

He was a fifteen year old kid when he did what he did. He’s served whatever penalty was given to him. Let him play ball. Should people who commit crimes never be allowed to pursue a career after paying the imposed penalty?

and I agree with 15kT...probably more (or less) to the story than we know. He was supported by his teammates and coaches, and by all of his family except for the mother of the molested kid. 

[Saint]

Jun 5, 2018 20:13:36 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

He was a fifteen year old kid when he did what he did. He’s served whatever penalty was given to him. Let him play ball. Should people who commit crimes never be allowed to pursue a career after paying the imposed penalty?

and I agree with 15kT...probably more (or less) to the story than we know. He was supported by his teammates and coaches, and by all of his family except for the mother of the molested kid. 

I agree and disagree.

If the story is accurate, you knew at 15 that it was wrong and/or evil to do anything sexual with a 6 year old. That's a sophomore in high school.

If the story isn't accurate, he certainly deserves a 2nd shot.

[unionstation82]

Jun 5, 2018 17:54:28 GMT -6 batman007 said:

Can he hit? Can he pitch? Sign him up.

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[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Jun 5, 2018 20:20:47 GMT -6 Saint said:

Jun 5, 2018 20:13:36 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

He was a fifteen year old kid when he did what he did. He’s served whatever penalty was given to him. Let him play ball. Should people who commit crimes never be allowed to pursue a career after paying the imposed penalty?

and I agree with 15kT...probably more (or less) to the story than we know. He was supported by his teammates and coaches, and by all of his family except for the mother of the molested kid. 

I agree and disagree.

If the story is accurate, you knew at 15 that it was wrong and/or evil to do anything sexual with a 6 year old. That's a sophomore in high school.

If the story isn't accurate, he certainly deserves a 2nd shot.

And if the story IS accurate? Does he not get to pursue a career? 

[batman007]

Accurate research shows that people who commit that type of crime at that young age are less likely to repeat that behavior once intervention occurs. Thus the reason he is considered a low risk offender.

[marshall]

We'd significantly reduce our population if every fifteen year old who made mistakes, even bad ones, during the raging harmonal years were eliminated.

As far as exactly what happened, we'll never know since the term molest can mean almost anything. It used to mean what most who are rightfully repulsed think it means. But many lesser things are called that now. Sort of like the term harassment. It's meaning has become far too inclusive of different things to the point it has lost it's original meaning.

[Saint]

Jun 5, 2018 22:58:27 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Jun 5, 2018 20:20:47 GMT -6 Saint said:

I agree and disagree.

If the story is accurate, you knew at 15 that it was wrong and/or evil to do anything sexual with a 6 year old. That's a sophomore in high school.

If the story isn't accurate, he certainly deserves a 2nd shot.

And if the story IS accurate? Does he not get to pursue a career? 

He's welcome to pursue a career.  I wouldn't want him pursued by my team.  

I'm open to the idea of rehabilitation for a lot of offenses, and I think a lot of criminals probably deserve a second chance...  But that is not a crime that I can move past from and support, personally. 

[Saint]

Jun 5, 2018 23:27:12 GMT -6 batman007 said:

Accurate research shows that people who commit that type of crime at that young age are less likely to repeat that behavior once intervention occurs. Thus the reason he is considered a low risk offender.

I'm not as much worried about it happening again, as am I bothered by the fact that it happened at all and he would be representing my team (if drafted).

And many 15 year olds are driving and working...that's not that young.  You easily know right and wrong by that age, and sexually exploiting a 6 year old is pretty much one of the worst things I can think of.

[Saint]

Jun 6, 2018 4:30:20 GMT -6 marshall said:

We'd significantly reduce our population if every fifteen year old who made mistakes, even bad ones, during the raging harmonal years were eliminated.

As far as exactly what happened, we'll never know since the term molest can mean almost anything. It used to mean what most who are rightfully repulsed think it means. But many lesser things are called that now. Sort of like the term harassment. It's meaning has become far too inclusive of different things to the point it has lost it's original meaning.

I'm very surprised that you of all people would make an excuse for his actions based on hormones and age.

I was horny as shit as a 15 year old too, but I knew touching (or wanting to be touched by) a 6 year old would have been amazingly wrong.

[Deleted]

I wonder how the kid with this kind of tainted past would stand the test of heckling fans and constant reminders from the media.

Considering the scrutiny he'd be under, I'd say he would be a low risk repeat offender. But as a GM would you want this kind of attention?

[marshall]

Jun 6, 2018 8:27:36 GMT -6 Saint said:

Jun 6, 2018 4:30:20 GMT -6 marshall said:

We'd significantly reduce our population if every fifteen year old who made mistakes, even bad ones, during the raging harmonal years were eliminated.

As far as exactly what happened, we'll never know since the term molest can mean almost anything. It used to mean what most who are rightfully repulsed think it means. But many lesser things are called that now. Sort of like the term harassment. It's meaning has become far too inclusive of different things to the point it has lost it's original meaning.

I'm very surprised that you of all people would make an excuse for his actions based on hormones and age.

I was horny as shit as a 15 year old too, but I knew touching (or wanting to be touched by) a 6 year old would have been amazingly wrong.

I'm not making excuses for it, but that doesn't mean it didn't and doesn't happen considering the brain isn't fully mature/rational before the age of 25. It's wrong, but we all sin. Choosing to ostracize him for life is just very unforgiving and overkill.

This is particularly true considering how the murder of the unborn (and even undesired birth) is seen a a righteous thing needing protection by many.

[Saint]

Jun 6, 2018 12:31:11 GMT -6 marshall said:

Jun 6, 2018 8:27:36 GMT -6 Saint said:

I'm very surprised that you of all people would make an excuse for his actions based on hormones and age.

I was horny as shit as a 15 year old too, but I knew touching (or wanting to be touched by) a 6 year old would have been amazingly wrong.

I'm not making excuses for it, but that doesn't mean it didn't and doesn't happen considering the brain isn't fully mature/rational before the age of 25. It's wrong, but we all sin. Choosing to ostracize him for life is just very unforgiving and overkill.

This is particularly true considering how the murder of the unborn (and even undesired birth) is seen a a righteous thing needing protection by many.

The brain is mature enough at 15 years of age to know that sexual activities with a 6 year old is wrong.  

And if we all sin and we should forgive and forget, didn't you use to vehemently go on about how we shouldn't have Tejada because he may have used steroids? If that wasn't you I apologize. 

Debates on abortion should probably go to an OT thread. 

[blcoach8]

This piece of crap should never be allowed to play professional baseball or any other sport.

[batman007]

Jun 6, 2018 8:25:31 GMT -6 Saint said:

Jun 5, 2018 23:27:12 GMT -6 batman007 said:

Accurate research shows that people who commit that type of crime at that young age are less likely to repeat that behavior once intervention occurs. Thus the reason he is considered a low risk offender.

I'm not as much worried about it happening again, as am I bothered by the fact that it happened at all and he would be representing my team (if drafted).

And many 15 year olds are driving and working...that's not that young.  You easily know right and wrong by that age, and sexually exploiting a 6 year old is pretty much one of the worst things I can think of.

His actions of the past shouldn’t represent his team of the present. I know this isn’t the way it actually works. If he committed this crime while actively on the team, then you kick him off the team.

If he’s rehabilitated and shown that he’s not a risk to commit these crimes once more, I don’t have an issue with him being on my team so long as he can play.

[Saint]

Jun 6, 2018 13:03:50 GMT -6 batman007 said:

Jun 6, 2018 8:25:31 GMT -6 Saint said:

I'm not as much worried about it happening again, as am I bothered by the fact that it happened at all and he would be representing my team (if drafted).

And many 15 year olds are driving and working...that's not that young.  You easily know right and wrong by that age, and sexually exploiting a 6 year old is pretty much one of the worst things I can think of.

His actions of the past shouldn’t represent his team of the present. I know this isn’t the way it actually works. If he committed this crime while actively on the team, then you kick him off the team.

If he’s rehabilitated and shown that he’s not a risk to commit these crimes once more, I don’t have an issue with him being on my team so long as he can play.

I would probably think the same way with a lot of crimes, but a crime of this nature bothers me quite a bit. I don't know enough about the situation to say yes or no 100%, but I would be uncomfortable with the choice. 

[sempersmom]

Jun 6, 2018 13:14:24 GMT -6 Saint said:

Jun 6, 2018 13:03:50 GMT -6 batman007 said:

His actions of the past shouldn’t represent his team of the present. I know this isn’t the way it actually works. If he committed this crime while actively on the team, then you kick him off the team.

If he’s rehabilitated and shown that he’s not a risk to commit these crimes once more, I don’t have an issue with him being on my team so long as he can play.

I would probably think the same way with a lot of crimes, but a crime of this nature bothers me quite a bit. I don't know enough about the situation to say yes or no 100%, but I would be uncomfortable with the choice. 

I agree.  Good luck to him but I don't want him here.

[unionstation82]

I’m with Todd on this one. Gross is gross. No matter how you slice it, this guy will be a facet of your organization. If it’s my business, team, church, fundraiser, etc. that’ll be a quick no from me.

[marshall]

Unforgiveness is far more common than forgiveness. Especially when it's someone else needing forgiveness instead of yourself because we all know their sins are far worse than our own...

I was always taught to HATE the SIN and not the SINNER. It's not easy at times.

[Saint]

Meh, screw that. There are some actions that don't deserve forgiveness.

[thomasj13]

Jun 7, 2018 7:45:58 GMT -6 Saint said:

Meh, screw that. There are some actions that don't deserve forgiveness.

I definitely agree....

[Saint]

So he did not get drafted.

[Saint]

More information if anybody is interested. It certainly colors it in more of a gray area. It sounds like his parents received some bad advice from their lawyer at the time. How sad would it be for him and his family if the allegations were incorrect or false, but they plead guilty out of fear.

portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/385703-274945-penalties-paid-heimlich-ready-to-return-for-beavers-baseball

[blcoach8]

glad that no team drafted a child molester.

[marshall]

Jun 7, 2018 11:06:32 GMT -6 Saint said:

More information if anybody is interested. It certainly colors it in more of a gray area. It sounds like his parents received some bad advice from their lawyer at the time. How sad would it be for him and his family if the allegations were incorrect or false, but they plead guilty out of fear.

portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/385703-274945-penalties-paid-heimlich-ready-to-return-for-beavers-baseball

Sounds like he was just caught up in a child custody battle. They get nasty and truth is irrelevant.  There appears to be even less there than I thought.

[koolade2]

I said all along that we don't know the truth. But Yet all you guys threw him under the bus. How many people are screwed every day by a PA and when the truth is found out years later their life was ruined. I just had a feeling that was one of those cases.
He took bad advice and now is labeled for life. Sometimes when you don't have anything and everyone is against you make the wrong decision hoping for the best outcome.

Sounds like most of you in here have always lived a very cushy life with no real roadblocks. I thought that when you guys were talking about Gattis and getting clean.

[unionstation82]

You act like we said we should burn him at the stake. Basically, people said it would be bad public relations to draft a guy like Heimlich, which is evident by him not being drafted.