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Post by Saint on Nov 29, 2023 22:12:11 GMT -6
He hasn't signed a "coveted" young free agent to a mega deal because those deals have never ever panned out to be worth it. Which mega deal worked out? Scherzer, Cole, Seager Scherzer has thrown one full season since 2018. Seager was mediocre last year and missed 40+ games this year. It's only two seasons in... Cole has worked out so far but has FIVE years left. We'll see. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 30, 2023 4:52:11 GMT -6
I agree. But who and how much? I don’t believe they’ll add a FA bat with upcoming salary concerns. I’d love to be wrong. This was in response to Ash above. Guess I forgot to hit “quote”. It doesn't need to be a star or anything. I still think Lourdes Gurriel would be a solid fit, and I'd be shocked if he got more than $12-15 million AAV. If Crane won't even go there then there's a problem at the top IMO. |
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Post by talshill on Nov 30, 2023 9:03:54 GMT -6
It’s been said that staying at the top is more difficult than getting there, so we’ll all see if Crane, et al are smart/lucky enough to actually create a dynasty. My magic 8-ball says, “no”.
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Post by Saint on Nov 30, 2023 9:31:00 GMT -6
It’s been said that staying at the top is more difficult than getting there, so we’ll all see if Crane, et al are smart/lucky enough to actually create a dynasty. My magic 8-ball says, “no”. I feel like they already did. No dynasties last forever though. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 30, 2023 10:27:18 GMT -6
I can't see Crane trading Bregman. Even if Brown was enthusiastic about a proposal, he'd probly veto it. It may take us to mediocrity if Bregman signs elsewhere, but ownership might also be content with letting the team go to pot and building it back up again through the draft, since that's Crane's comfort zone
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Post by m240 on Nov 30, 2023 10:59:29 GMT -6
It’s been said that staying at the top is more difficult than getting there, so we’ll all see if Crane, et al are smart/lucky enough to actually create a dynasty. My magic 8-ball says, “no”. I feel like they already did. No dynasties last forever though. I agree that what we have had since 2015 could be considered a dynasty. What makes it feel kind of odd though is that it was split between the 10's and the 20's. It seems pretty obvious to me that we are at a tipping point this off season. We can put a couple bandaids on and hope for the best, blow the whole thing up and start over, or start the rebuild and try to catch lightning in a bottle by getting some prospects for Bregman and Valdez and use the saved funds for a high profile guy to build around. I really hope that they select door number 3. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 30, 2023 13:12:09 GMT -6
It’s been said that staying at the top is more difficult than getting there, so we’ll all see if Crane, et al are smart/lucky enough to actually create a dynasty. My magic 8-ball says, “no”. I feel like they already did. No dynasties last forever though. I don’t think they did but it’s not like that’s important. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 30, 2023 13:49:38 GMT -6
I feel like they already did. No dynasties last forever though. I don’t think they did but it’s not like that’s important. Really? This has been an amazing run. 7 ALCS Appearances 6 1st place divisional finishes 4 Pennants 2 Championships And maybe still more to come. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 30, 2023 15:44:39 GMT -6
I don’t think they did but it’s not like that’s important. Really? This has been an amazing run. 7 ALCS Appearances 6 1st place divisional finishes 4 Pennants 2 Championships And maybe still more to come. It’s debatable. I just don’t think it’s important if it’s considered a dynasty. |
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Post by talshill on Dec 1, 2023 14:01:18 GMT -6
So I’m taking a break while restoring an old truck. Is it just me or is all this Ohtani fervor absolutely stupid? I mean, I get it, the guy’s good. Certainly not the best ever as some of the fawning sports writers claim. But here’s the deal: he’ll be 30 next July, can’t pitch next year (and no guarantees he’ll ever pitch well again after his SECOND TJ surgery), can’t play the field so he’s basically a DH and even when he does pitch it’s once every 7 days (if that ever becomes pertinent again). This guy is hyped to the moon. And some jerk will pay him $50M+ for like 768 years. Good luck with that.
Reminds me of a BMW; when it works it’s pretty awesome but damn they break a lot and are expensive to repair. If you absolutely have to have one then lease it (as long as you van write it off); don’t buy it.
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 1, 2023 19:26:42 GMT -6
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Post by m240 on Dec 1, 2023 23:54:30 GMT -6
Really? This has been an amazing run. 7 ALCS Appearances 6 1st place divisional finishes 4 Pennants 2 Championships And maybe still more to come. It’s debatable. I just don’t think it’s important if it’s considered a dynasty. I guess the real question is how do you define a dynasty. It can be described in many ways but generally it is described as excellence over a ten year period. Similar but not the same as the criteria for determining if someone should be in the hall of fame. So over the last ten years no team compares favorably to the Astros. It really is not even close. The Dodgers get there as far as wins and losses are concerned but they seem to fold up like a cheap suit when the pressure gets applied. Other than that, no-one.. So yep that looks like a dynasty to me. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 2, 2023 0:06:49 GMT -6
It’s debatable. I just don’t think it’s important if it’s considered a dynasty. I guess the real question is how do you define a dynasty. It can be described in many ways but generally it is described as excellence over a ten year period. Similar but not the same as the criteria for determining if someone should be in the hall of fame. So over the last ten years no team compares favorably to the Astros. It really is not even close. The Dodgers get there as far as wins and losses are concerned but they seem to fold up like a cheap suit when the pressure gets applied. Other than that, no-one.. So yep that looks like a dynasty to me. Technically, the Astros outdid the Big Red Machine. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 2, 2023 4:44:23 GMT -6
I don't think we were a dynasty. The team our championship rings resemble the most was Earl Weaver's 60s-70s Orioles, and they weren't a dynasty. The prior manager Hank Bauer won a World Series in 1966 like Hinch before Baker. They also won 4 pennants over 6 years
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Post by m240 on Dec 2, 2023 16:06:55 GMT -6
I don't think we were a dynasty. The team our championship rings resemble the most was Earl Weaver's 60s-70s Orioles, and they weren't a dynasty. The prior manager Hank Bauer won a World Series in 1966 like Hinch before Baker. They also won 4 pennants over 6 years I guess the good news is that we are talking about whether we are a dynasty instead of the worst team in baseball like we were 12-15 years ago. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 2, 2023 16:23:01 GMT -6
I don't think we were a dynasty. The team our championship rings resemble the most was Earl Weaver's 60s-70s Orioles, and they weren't a dynasty. The prior manager Hank Bauer won a World Series in 1966 like Hinch before Baker. They also won 4 pennants over 6 years Do you consider the Big Red Machine a dynasty? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 2, 2023 16:44:41 GMT -6
For Ghits and Siggles, pick two you would wish the Astros would do in the offseason:
1. Extend Altuve to a 4 year/$110M
2. Extend Bregman to a 5 year/$135M
3. Extend Tucker to a 8 year/$280M
4. Sign Yamamoto to a 8 year/$210M +$30 to $40M posting fee
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 2, 2023 16:54:21 GMT -6
I don't think we were a dynasty. The team our championship rings resemble the most was Earl Weaver's 60s-70s Orioles, and they weren't a dynasty. The prior manager Hank Bauer won a World Series in 1966 like Hinch before Baker. They also won 4 pennants over 6 years Do you consider the Big Red Machine a dynasty? All 3 of us were juggernauts of equal accomplishment during the same number of seasons. I'm not sure why historians like over-polishing Anderson's Reds |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 2, 2023 19:03:46 GMT -6
For Ghits and Siggles, pick two you would wish the Astros would do in the offseason: 1. Extend Altuve to a 4 year/$110M 2. Extend Bregman to a 5 year/$135M 3. Extend Tucker to a 8 year/$280M 4. Sign Yamamoto to a 8 year/$210M +$30 to $40M posting fee Honestly, I’m thinking 3 and 4 because they’re the future. It can’t just be Yordan leading the charge. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 2, 2023 19:21:17 GMT -6
For Ghits and Siggles, pick two you would wish the Astros would do in the offseason: 1. Extend Altuve to a 4 year/$110M 2. Extend Bregman to a 5 year/$135M 3. Extend Tucker to a 8 year/$280M 4. Sign Yamamoto to a 8 year/$210M +$30 to $40M posting fee Honestly, I’m thinking 3 and 4 because they’re the future. It can’t just be Yordan leading the charge. #1 is going to happen ,FYI |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 2, 2023 20:46:57 GMT -6
For Ghits and Siggles, pick two you would wish the Astros would do in the offseason: 1. Extend Altuve to a 4 year/$110M 2. Extend Bregman to a 5 year/$135M 3. Extend Tucker to a 8 year/$280M 4. Sign Yamamoto to a 8 year/$210M +$30 to $40M posting fee 1 and 2 this off season.3 next off season. 4 never. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 2, 2023 21:09:31 GMT -6
For Ghits and Siggles, pick two you would wish the Astros would do in the offseason: 1. Extend Altuve to a 4 year/$110M 2. Extend Bregman to a 5 year/$135M 3. Extend Tucker to a 8 year/$280M 4. Sign Yamamoto to a 8 year/$210M +$30 to $40M posting fee 2 and 4. Altuve is going to get extended because he has no desire to play anywhere else, so that could be put off. Tucker has an extra year and OF are more replaceable (both from our system and in general) than 3B. Yamamoto is a generational talent and at his age if it only takes 8 years I would do that. That would also free you up to trade Framber and Urquidy. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 2, 2023 22:14:05 GMT -6
For Ghits and Siggles, pick two you would wish the Astros would do in the offseason: 1. Extend Altuve to a 4 year/$110M 2. Extend Bregman to a 5 year/$135M 3. Extend Tucker to a 8 year/$280M 4. Sign Yamamoto to a 8 year/$210M +$30 to $40M posting fee 2 and 4. Altuve is going to get extended because he has no desire to play anywhere else, so that could be put off. Tucker has an extra year and OF are more replaceable (both from our system and in general) than 3B. Yamamoto is a generational talent and at his age if it only takes 8 years I would do that. That would also free you up to trade Framber and Urquidy. If the Astros could get Yamamoto, what could they get for LMC? |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 3, 2023 8:31:12 GMT -6
2 and 4. Altuve is going to get extended because he has no desire to play anywhere else, so that could be put off. Tucker has an extra year and OF are more replaceable (both from our system and in general) than 3B. Yamamoto is a generational talent and at his age if it only takes 8 years I would do that. That would also free you up to trade Framber and Urquidy. If the Astros could get Yamamoto, what could they get for LMC? You can't trade all the pitching depth though. You'd be selling low as well given his injuries. If they did want to move him, better next off-season after he's had a chance to come back. He has a limited no-trade clause as well, BTW. |
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Post by inaltuvewetrust on Dec 3, 2023 9:25:28 GMT -6
Knowing this is likely Bregman’s last season in an Astros uniform. Do we think we see the best from Bregman this upcoming season in hopes to up his value in FA? Or does it not matter and he will get a huge FA deal regardless of his 2024 season?
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 3, 2023 10:14:11 GMT -6
For Ghits and Siggles, pick two you would wish the Astros would do in the offseason: 1. Extend Altuve to a 4 year/$110M 2. Extend Bregman to a 5 year/$135M 3. Extend Tucker to a 8 year/$280M 4. Sign Yamamoto to a 8 year/$210M +$30 to $40M posting fee 1 and 2 this off season.3 next off season. 4 never. Hopefully. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 3, 2023 10:15:00 GMT -6
2 and 4. Altuve is going to get extended because he has no desire to play anywhere else, so that could be put off. Tucker has an extra year and OF are more replaceable (both from our system and in general) than 3B. Yamamoto is a generational talent and at his age if it only takes 8 years I would do that. That would also free you up to trade Framber and Urquidy. If the Astros could get Yamamoto, what could they get for LMC? An Egg McMuffin. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 3, 2023 10:38:17 GMT -6
If the Astros could get Yamamoto, what could they get for LMC? An Egg McMuffin. And hashbrowns, or is that just asking too much? |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 3, 2023 10:39:28 GMT -6
Knowing this is likely Bregman’s last season in an Astros uniform. Do we think we see the best from Bregman this upcoming season in hopes to up his value in FA? Or does it not matter and he will get a huge FA deal regardless of his 2024 season? Bregman doesn't strike me as the type to get hyped up and all. He's so laser focused on his approach and being consistent at the plate. I think you'll see another 25 HR, 4-5 WAR season (assuming health) and he'll get a big deal because he's worth it and plays a position where there is just no depth around the Majors. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 3, 2023 10:40:06 GMT -6
If the Astros could get Yamamoto, what could they get for LMC? You can't trade all the pitching depth though. You'd be selling low as well given his injuries. If they did want to move him, better next off-season after he's had a chance to come back. He has a limited no-trade clause as well, BTW. Damn it, you’re just a killer of hope! LMC truly is going to be buried in the H. |
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