talshill
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Post by talshill on Dec 5, 2023 19:57:29 GMT -6
Do you consider the Big Red Machine a dynasty? All 3 of us were juggernauts of equal accomplishment during the same number of seasons. I'm not sure why historians like over-polishing Anderson's Reds Probably because of the 4 HOF players on one team (Bench, Rose, Morgan and Perez). Having the all-time hits leader and the greatest catcher to ever play on the same team creates a legendary status symbol. |
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Post by talshill on Dec 5, 2023 20:07:41 GMT -6
I like the way some of yall want to trade away our ace pitcher with no one to replace him. He sure wasn't our ace in October when it mattered most. He's a headcase even with Maldonado. Who knows what he looks like without him. And he's not going to be resigned. LMJ and Garcia are due back after the AS break. They could also sign a free agent to help replace him. This team has got to get some serious young prospects or the window is going to close soon. I don't think trading Framber is a crazy idea. While I generally agree with you, he can be the team ace and have a shitty 3 months. The two aren’t mutually exclusive, at least short term. In ‘22 in the playoffs he was deadly. I think the guy loses focus both pitching and fielding. Perhaps some “boot-in-the-butt” psychiatric adjustment would do wonders. Either way, when he’s on and focused we don’t have anyone better. But if we could flip him for a young stud or two you’d have consider it. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 5, 2023 20:12:52 GMT -6
After Brown says we're going with Meyers, a good OF option goes to a rival.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 5, 2023 20:15:08 GMT -6
He sure wasn't our ace in October when it mattered most. He's a headcase even with Maldonado. Who knows what he looks like without him. And he's not going to be resigned. LMJ and Garcia are due back after the AS break. They could also sign a free agent to help replace him. This team has got to get some serious young prospects or the window is going to close soon. I don't think trading Framber is a crazy idea. While I generally agree with you, he can be the team ace and have a shitty 3 months. The two aren’t mutually exclusive, at least short term. In ‘22 in the playoffs he was deadly. I think the guy loses focus both pitching and fielding. Perhaps some “boot-in-the-butt” psychiatric adjustment would do wonders. Either way, when he’s on and focused we don’t have anyone better. But if we could flip him for a young stud or two you’d have consider it. The main difference between ‘22 and ‘23 was the new rules. The difference was enough in wanting me to trade him. Those rules aren’t going anywhere. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 5, 2023 20:15:39 GMT -6
He sure wasn't our ace in October when it mattered most. He's a headcase even with Maldonado. Who knows what he looks like without him. And he's not going to be resigned. LMJ and Garcia are due back after the AS break. They could also sign a free agent to help replace him. This team has got to get some serious young prospects or the window is going to close soon. I don't think trading Framber is a crazy idea. While I generally agree with you, he can be the team ace and have a shitty 3 months. The two aren’t mutually exclusive, at least short term. In ‘22 in the playoffs he was deadly. I think the guy loses focus both pitching and fielding. Perhaps some “boot-in-the-butt” psychiatric adjustment would do wonders. Either way, when he’s on and focused we don’t have anyone better. But if we could flip him for a young stud or two you’d have consider it. Oh I wouldn't just flip him for nothing. Yes, you wouldn't do it unless you got serious prospects back. |
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Post by talshill on Dec 5, 2023 20:20:52 GMT -6
Realistically this will make Chas a LF for half the games and a CF for the other half (when Yordan plays LF). So we’re probably only talking about a half season of PA’s for Meyers. And he plays good defense (albeit with a rag arm) and with Moldy gone both the offense and defense will improve and Meyers can bat 9th. And he may fool us offensively. It probably takes about 1k at-bats in the ML to know what a hitter is. He isn’t there yet. Plus this buys time to see if Loperfido or someone else advances enough to take a look with big club. With three big pending FA contracts to resolve I can understand why they wouldn’t want to sign a FA bat. So, Chas finally plays full-time, Meyers gets one last look further out from his surgery, the offense/defense is better and if Meyers sucks a** we can take a look at a minor leaguer. It’s all good. |
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Post by talshill on Dec 5, 2023 20:22:23 GMT -6
Oh, and Dana also said he isn’t trading Bregman and he doesn’t know where those rumors came from. Time will tell if he’s a liar.
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Post by talshill on Dec 5, 2023 20:25:31 GMT -6
While I generally agree with you, he can be the team ace and have a shitty 3 months. The two aren’t mutually exclusive, at least short term. In ‘22 in the playoffs he was deadly. I think the guy loses focus both pitching and fielding. Perhaps some “boot-in-the-butt” psychiatric adjustment would do wonders. Either way, when he’s on and focused we don’t have anyone better. But if we could flip him for a young stud or two you’d have consider it. The main difference between ‘22 and ‘23 was the new rules. The difference was enough in wanting me to trade him. Those rules aren’t going anywhere. The main difference may be that he overperformed in ‘22 and underperformed in ‘23. My guess is that he falls somewhere in the middle. Remember, his first half of last year was very good. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 5, 2023 20:30:03 GMT -6
After Brown says we're going with Meyers, a good OF option goes to a rival. Eh, Verdugo will be available in a year anyway. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 5, 2023 20:32:23 GMT -6
The Meyers-Chas deal seems like a non-issue. If healthy, Chas will play 120-140 games.
Besides, obviously they're going to want to hype Meyers and try to keep him as a potential valuable trade piece.
You don't say "Chas will play CF everyday so Meyers is expendable and not as good" if you might want to move him.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 5, 2023 21:44:41 GMT -6
The Meyers-Chas deal seems like a non-issue. If healthy, Chas will play 120-140 games. Besides, obviously they're going to want to hype Meyers and try to keep him as a potential valuable trade piece. You don't say "Chas will play CF everyday so Meyers is expendable and not as good" if you might want to move him. LOL Meyers was pretty much benched for being a bad player. Quit being a company man. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 5, 2023 22:21:34 GMT -6
The Meyers-Chas deal seems like a non-issue. If healthy, Chas will play 120-140 games. Besides, obviously they're going to want to hype Meyers and try to keep him as a potential valuable trade piece. You don't say "Chas will play CF everyday so Meyers is expendable and not as good" if you might want to move him. LOL Meyers was pretty much benched for being a bad player. Quit being a company man. I think Dusty was over valuing Dubon rather than under valuing Meyers. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 5, 2023 22:35:06 GMT -6
Praise the lord if this means no Maldonado.  |
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Post by Saint on Dec 5, 2023 22:38:42 GMT -6
Praise the lord if this means no Maldonado. Surely it has to. Seems like a solid pickup. |
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talshill
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Post by talshill on Dec 5, 2023 23:33:24 GMT -6
Has some pop and a little skill with the bat. Don’t know about his defense. Slams the door on Moldy though.
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 6, 2023 0:56:24 GMT -6
Six million for a backup catcher strikes me as a little rich, but Caratini himself is a good fit. He's about average with the bat for a catcher, switch hits, and receives and frames well. Downside is a noodle arm, but with the new rules throwing out runners is a lot harder anyway, I wouldn't be surprised to see more teams kind of just punt on catcher's arms and focus only on receiving (until that glorious day when the robots finally call balls and strikes, anyway).
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 6, 2023 3:39:13 GMT -6
Same old pathetic schemes. Funny how Click was reportedly criticized for believing in Meyers, yet they love him too much to get rid of him. Crane was a dick to challenge Click's opinion of Meyers when he was okay with him as a 4th OF so he could hold the line on payroll |
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Post by Saint on Dec 6, 2023 6:57:44 GMT -6
Six million for a backup catcher strikes me as a little rich, but Caratini himself is a good fit. He's about average with the bat for a catcher, switch hits, and receives and frames well. Downside is a noodle arm, but with the new rules throwing out runners is a lot harder anyway, I wouldn't be surprised to see more teams kind of just punt on catcher's arms and focus only on receiving (until that glorious day when the robots finally call balls and strikes, anyway). Maldonado costing $4.5 million a year the past two years makes $6 million a year for better and younger seem fine to me. |
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Post by m240 on Dec 6, 2023 9:12:39 GMT -6
I like the way some of yall want to trade away our ace pitcher with no one to replace him. Glad to see we are in agreement that Valdez needs to go away. Seriously though I get the whole "we did alright last year so let's just run the same guys back out there" attitude but that seldom ever works. When we are sitting on 85 wins on the final day of next season and realize that Bregman is walking and Valdez and Tucker are about to and all we got is Loperfido and Arrighetti to replace them with and no one to replace Bregman then we can all see how that feels. We caught lightning in a bottle with Valdez for a year and a half and he still has good value. After he takes blows up this year he will be worth a bag or oranges and nothing more. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 6, 2023 9:48:28 GMT -6
All 3 of us were juggernauts of equal accomplishment during the same number of seasons. I'm not sure why historians like over-polishing Anderson's Reds Probably because of the 4 HOF players on one team (Bench, Rose, Morgan and Perez). Having the all-time hits leader and the greatest catcher to ever play on the same team creates a legendary status symbol. That would put them a tick closer to overrated than dynastic, but that's just my estimation. Especially since the Oriole team that preceded them by a few years won the same trophies, and beat the Reds in the World Series. But they only get a fraction of the recognition for doing so |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 6, 2023 13:11:34 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 6, 2023 13:23:13 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 6, 2023 13:26:37 GMT -6
Probably because of the 4 HOF players on one team (Bench, Rose, Morgan and Perez). Having the all-time hits leader and the greatest catcher to ever play on the same team creates a legendary status symbol. That would put them a tick closer to overrated than dynastic, but that's just my estimation. Especially since the Oriole team that preceded them by a few years won the same trophies, and beat the Reds in the World Series. But they only get a fraction of the recognition for doing so Of this current team, which players do you think will be in the HOF one day I’m thinking For Sure: Verlander and Altuve Possible Yordan Alvarez, Jose Abreu and Kyle Tucker Long Shot Alex Bregman |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 6, 2023 14:44:13 GMT -6
That would put them a tick closer to overrated than dynastic, but that's just my estimation. Especially since the Oriole team that preceded them by a few years won the same trophies, and beat the Reds in the World Series. But they only get a fraction of the recognition for doing so Of this current team, which players do you think will be in the HOF one day I’m thinking For Sure: Verlander and Altuve Possible Yordan Alvarez, Jose Abreu and Kyle Tucker Long Shot Alex Bregman Hard to predict for guys that aren't locks at the moment. Giancarlo Stanton seemed like a HOF inductee up until a few years ago |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 6, 2023 16:35:59 GMT -6
Six million for a backup catcher strikes me as a little rich, but Caratini himself is a good fit. He's about average with the bat for a catcher, switch hits, and receives and frames well. Downside is a noodle arm, but with the new rules throwing out runners is a lot harder anyway, I wouldn't be surprised to see more teams kind of just punt on catcher's arms and focus only on receiving (until that glorious day when the robots finally call balls and strikes, anyway). Maldonado costing $4.5 million a year the past two years makes $6 million a year for better and younger seem fine to me. $4.5 million for Maldonado strikes me as a little rich, though. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 6, 2023 16:37:36 GMT -6
Enter your predictions for how lame/unimportant this news is going to be:
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 6, 2023 16:44:18 GMT -6
Dylan Coleman is interesting. When he's on he's really nasty, but man he's had command issues, and his velo dropped a lot this past season. Hopefully he's healthy and they can bring out his best. I like Mateo but he is a long way off, probably five years or more, so tons of bust risk. We could end up regretting it but this isn't a bad move.
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 6, 2023 17:51:53 GMT -6
Cleveland just took Tyler Brown in the Rule 5 from us. Good talent but a reliever only at this point and significant command concerns, even if he sticks he's probably not a huge loss.
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Post by Saint on Dec 6, 2023 17:59:40 GMT -6
That would put them a tick closer to overrated than dynastic, but that's just my estimation. Especially since the Oriole team that preceded them by a few years won the same trophies, and beat the Reds in the World Series. But they only get a fraction of the recognition for doing so Of this current team, which players do you think will be in the HOF one day I’m thinking For Sure: Verlander and Altuve Possible Yordan Alvarez, Jose Abreu and Kyle Tucker Long Shot Alex Bregman Agree with that 100%. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 6, 2023 18:00:21 GMT -6
Maldonado costing $4.5 million a year the past two years makes $6 million a year for better and younger seem fine to me. $4.5 million for Maldonado strikes me as a little rich, though. For deals that size it's negligible really. |
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