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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 16, 2023 17:16:31 GMT -6
White Sox signed Chuckie Robinson to catch for them in AAA. That makes three ex-Astros catchers now (Lee, Stassi, Robinson). Who? He didn't make it to the Majors with us. Debuted with the Reds last year. Like the only African American catcher on the planet. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 16, 2023 18:44:19 GMT -6
He didn't make it to the Majors with us. Debuted with the Reds last year. Like the only African American catcher on the planet. So it’s like an AA thing? Affirmative Action signing |
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Post by Saint on Dec 16, 2023 20:41:32 GMT -6
So both Scherzer and deGrom to start the year on the IL for the Rangers.
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 17, 2023 8:22:19 GMT -6
Luhnow should've checked with Hinch before trading for that guy cause it didn't seem they were equally enthusiastic about him Did any of those players traded for him ever pan out for the Dbacks. I know Thomas was disappointed when the Beer man was involved in the deal. Strom's one-inning relievers failing with the championship on the line is becoming a thing |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 17, 2023 8:41:34 GMT -6
Chuckie Robinson sounds like an overweight brother who can't play basketball
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 17, 2023 9:14:49 GMT -6
Chuckie Robinson sounds like an overweight brother who can't play basketball He was a Chucker |
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Post by mihdennabios on Dec 17, 2023 13:02:24 GMT -6
I would go all-in for next year but only next year. Meaning one year contracts, or maybe two-year for the bullpen. I'd sign JD Martinez and Trevor Bauer. Screw Trevor's haters and screw Ashitaka for not wanting to put Yordan in LF. Yordan plays a passable LF; we can and should definitely put him there for one season.
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Post by talshill on Dec 17, 2023 18:53:29 GMT -6
Bellinger apparently wants $200M+. You cannot make this s*** up.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 17, 2023 19:39:29 GMT -6
Bellinger apparently wants $200M+. You cannot make this s*** up. If he can hit .300, he’s essentially a 5-tool player. Definite risk but definite upside. |
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Post by talshill on Dec 17, 2023 21:55:59 GMT -6
Bellinger apparently wants $200M+. You cannot make this s*** up. If he can hit .300, he’s essentially a 5-tool player. Definite risk but definite upside. Except for the multiple years when he’s been a 3-tool player. And nobody who strike out 17 times in one WS should ever sniff $200M. Plus, I just don’t like the guy. So, there’s that. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 18, 2023 0:16:40 GMT -6
Lourdes Gurriel jr. back to the D-Backs, $42 million over three years ($14 million AAV).
Jake Meyers better be good...
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 18, 2023 1:13:02 GMT -6
Lourdes Gurriel jr. back to the D-Backs, $42 million over three years ($14 million AAV). Jake Meyers better be good... LOL |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 18, 2023 8:12:31 GMT -6
Lourdes Gurriel jr. back to the D-Backs, $42 million over three years ($14 million AAV). Jake Meyers better be good... LOL I honestly don't mind the idea of giving him a shot. A real, lengthy, consistent shot. His range and speed and instincts in CF are gold glove caliber. He has 15-20 HR power, 15-20 SB ability (especially under the new rules). His walk rate nearly doubled and he cut a full 8% off his strikeout rate last year. He already would have been a 2+ WAR player last year with more playing time due to his defense. He has four years of club control left. A defensive outfield of him, Chas, and Tucker is going to be loved by all the fly ball pitchers. There are a ton of reasons to give him a real shot. But after selling Gilbert to the Mets, what's the backup plan? Hope Melton breaks out very quickly? Hope Dirden turns things around after striking out nearly 30% of the time in over 500 AAA PA over the last two years? More Dubon? Loperfido, who cratered after his AAA promotion? The ghost of Pedro Leon? It just feels like a huge risk and there's not much of a parachute there. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 18, 2023 9:28:37 GMT -6
I honestly don't mind the idea of giving him a shot. A real, lengthy, consistent shot. His range and speed and instincts in CF are gold glove caliber. He has 15-20 HR power, 15-20 SB ability (especially under the new rules). His walk rate nearly doubled and he cut a full 8% off his strikeout rate last year. He already would have been a 2+ WAR player last year with more playing time due to his defense. He has four years of club control left. A defensive outfield of him, Chas, and Tucker is going to be loved by all the fly ball pitchers. There are a ton of reasons to give him a real shot. But after selling Gilbert to the Mets, what's the backup plan? Hope Melton breaks out very quickly? Hope Dirden turns things around after striking out nearly 30% of the time in over 500 AAA PA over the last two years? More Dubon? Loperfido, who cratered after his AAA promotion? The ghost of Pedro Leon? It just feels like a huge risk and there's not much of a parachute there. I like Meyers’s defense the best of the CF’s they have, but sometimes he looks like he’s chasing his tail out there on deep fly balls. His routes look a little off sometimes and a couple times he dove for balls he had zero chance of catching. I hope he gets more comfortable out there because it’s better than Chas or Dubón as CF. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 18, 2023 12:45:05 GMT -6
Nightengale says at least six teams have reached out about Framber. Gitter done, Dana.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 18, 2023 15:49:34 GMT -6
Nightengale says at least six teams have reached out about Framber. Gitter done, Dana. Sign Yamamoto, and then get it done. Or sign Yamamoto, and trade Valdez before trade deadline. By then Garcia and that other pitcher should be back. |
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Post by churchill on Dec 19, 2023 13:00:14 GMT -6
He didn't make it to the Majors with us. Debuted with the Reds last year. Like the only African American catcher on the planet. Since Puerto Rico is part of America and also were home to African slaves, wouldn't Maldonado qualify as an African American catcher? Asking for a friend...
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 19, 2023 16:30:58 GMT -6
Dubón apparently had the surprise year he had cause he got some coaching from Yordan. Meyers would probably do the same if he got some help on his plate skills, at least for a season. Whether Dubón can have back2back campaigns with the bat isn't something I'd bank on, even though I'm rooting for it
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 19, 2023 20:01:46 GMT -6
Dubón apparently had the surprise year he had cause he got some coaching from Yordan. Meyers would probably do the same if he got some help on his plate skills, at least for a season. Whether Dubón can have back2back campaigns with the bat isn't something I'd bank on, even though I'm rooting for it Which is precisely why Dubón should remain in the utility role. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 19, 2023 20:23:13 GMT -6
Dubón apparently had the surprise year he had cause he got some coaching from Yordan. Meyers would probably do the same if he got some help on his plate skills, at least for a season. Whether Dubón can have back2back campaigns with the bat isn't something I'd bank on, even though I'm rooting for it Which is precisely why Dubón should remain in the utility role. He is so Robin |
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Post by m240 on Dec 20, 2023 9:19:13 GMT -6
It appears as if the smoke is getting a little thicker on Valdez being traded rumor. The Braves, Dodgers, Yankees, Reds, and Blue Jays are 5 or the 6 reported teams rumored to be kicking the tires. Remember Brown was hired specifically to rework the roster and extend the playoff run of the Astros. So in that vein the rumors seem to have merit. My question is what kind of return package would be required to smooth the choppy waters a trade like this would cause.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2023 11:44:35 GMT -6
It appears as if the smoke is getting a little thicker on Valdez being traded rumor. The Braves, Dodgers, Yankees, Reds, and Blue Jays are 5 or the 6 reported teams rumored to be kicking the tires. Remember Brown was hired specifically to rework the roster and extend the playoff run of the Astros. So in that vein the rumors seem to have merit. My question is what kind of return package would be required to smooth the choppy waters a trade like this would cause. There is no reason to trade Valdez unless you can sign #2 or better pitcher to a long term contract this offseason. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 20, 2023 13:31:24 GMT -6
It appears as if the smoke is getting a little thicker on Valdez being traded rumor. The Braves, Dodgers, Yankees, Reds, and Blue Jays are 5 or the 6 reported teams rumored to be kicking the tires. Remember Brown was hired specifically to rework the roster and extend the playoff run of the Astros. So in that vein the rumors seem to have merit. My question is what kind of return package would be required to smooth the choppy waters a trade like this would cause. There is no reason to trade Valdez unless you can sign #2 or better pitcher to a long term contract this offseason. The reason is that he's gone in 24 months anyway, is a head case, and this team desperately needs controllable young talent. JV, Javier, Brown, France, and Urquidy is a solid rotation. Garcia and LMJ on the way back. Always low-cost helper options with upside at the deadline (look at Jordan Montgomery this past season). If they can get a couple of guys that can be everyday pieces for 5-6 years, they should strongly consider it. If Crane is going to act like he owns the Rays when it comes to extensions and free agents, then they need to start acting like the Rays and quit letting guys just walk away while getting almost nothing in return. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2023 13:38:23 GMT -6
Rather keep Valdez for 2024, at least until the trade deadline.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 20, 2023 13:39:35 GMT -6
It appears as if the smoke is getting a little thicker on Valdez being traded rumor. The Braves, Dodgers, Yankees, Reds, and Blue Jays are 5 or the 6 reported teams rumored to be kicking the tires. Remember Brown was hired specifically to rework the roster and extend the playoff run of the Astros. So in that vein the rumors seem to have merit. My question is what kind of return package would be required to smooth the choppy waters a trade like this would cause. There is no reason to trade Valdez unless you can sign #2 or better pitcher to a long term contract this offseason. They won’t. This is the only way to improve the team at this point with Crane running things. |
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Post by m240 on Dec 20, 2023 16:16:13 GMT -6
There is no reason to trade Valdez unless you can sign #2 or better pitcher to a long term contract this offseason. They won’t. This is the only way to improve the team at this point with Crane running things. Plus depending on the package that you get back there might be a guy included who can give you some quality innings. I mean really we got a lot of quality innings from guys named France and Beilak last year. |
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Post by talshill on Dec 20, 2023 16:50:31 GMT -6
There is no reason to trade Valdez unless you can sign #2 or better pitcher to a long term contract this offseason. They won’t. This is the only way to improve the team at this point with Crane running things. See, I don't get this. How many championships did the Astros win before Crane got here? He's been the best owner in Houston history for any sport. It's very easy for some dude in an armchair to spend someone else's money, especially when they don't have access to the financials or know anything about running a corporation. Unbelievable. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 20, 2023 17:47:01 GMT -6
They won’t. This is the only way to improve the team at this point with Crane running things. See, I don't get this. How many championships did the Astros win before Crane got here? He's been the best owner in Houston history for any sport. It's very easy for some dude in an armchair to spend someone else's money, especially when they don't have access to the financials or know anything about running a corporation. Unbelievable. By “at this point” I’m referring to the proximity to the luxury tax threshold unless you see a way he would justify going over. Plus, Framber is a bonafide headcase. If several teams are interested, it would be foolish not to entertain proposals. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2023 18:24:46 GMT -6
See, I don't get this. How many championships did the Astros win before Crane got here? He's been the best owner in Houston history for any sport. It's very easy for some dude in an armchair to spend someone else's money, especially when they don't have access to the financials or know anything about running a corporation. Unbelievable. By “at this point” I’m referring to the proximity to the luxury tax threshold unless you see a way he would justify going over. Plus, Framber is a bonafide headcase. If several teams are interested, it would be foolish not to entertain proposals. I think it would be foolish to trade away one of your best pitchers while the team is/could be a 2024 WS contender. Unless, they sign a #2 or better pitcher to a long term contract. Now my position would/will change if the Astros are not in playoff contention come trade deadline. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 20, 2023 18:39:24 GMT -6
By “at this point” I’m referring to the proximity to the luxury tax threshold unless you see a way he would justify going over. Plus, Framber is a bonafide headcase. If several teams are interested, it would be foolish not to entertain proposals. I think it would be foolish to trade away one of your best pitchers while the team is could be a 2024 WS contender. Unless, they sign a #2 or better pitcher to a long term contract. Now my position would/will change if the Astros are not in playoff contention come trade deadline. They won’t sign one so they might as well see if they can add some life to the farm in the process. Being ranked last isn’t a good plan for the future. I think they milked about all they could out of Framber. It might be a good time to sell as high as possible. |
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