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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 29, 2024 19:36:48 GMT -6
Bloss, Loperfido, and Wagner. Insane. Oh my goodness. MY GOODNESS. Brown just got annihilated. |
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Post by inaltuvewetrust on Jul 29, 2024 19:36:58 GMT -6
James Click’s revenge on Houston.
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Post by Saint on Jul 29, 2024 19:37:53 GMT -6
Wow that's terrible...
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 29, 2024 19:38:14 GMT -6
Epic overpay
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Post by Saint on Jul 29, 2024 19:38:41 GMT -6
Loperfido is probably a 4th OFer, but it still seems like a lot on top of Bloss. Wagner is also gone. Wow, a lot to give up Goodness... I sure hope there is some other piece of this puzzle we haven't seen yet. |
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Post by This is dumb on Jul 29, 2024 19:39:34 GMT -6
Vlad is in this trade, right? He should have been. All three of our prospects we gave them were in our top 20 |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 29, 2024 19:39:39 GMT -6
Wagner is also gone. Wow, a lot to give up Goodness... I sure hope there is some other piece of this puzzle we haven't seen yet. Vlad Jr? |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 29, 2024 19:47:26 GMT -6
I mean this is one of the worst trades I've ever seen. Ever. And I really like Kikuchi and I'm happy to have him.
Gilbert, Clifford, Bloss, Loperfido, and Wagner (THIRTY total years of control) for JV and Kikuchi (TWO total years of control).
This is a straight up bloodbath. Either Brown is not an MLB GM or Bagwell is still in control.
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Post by Saint on Jul 29, 2024 19:53:07 GMT -6
This deal is only worth it if we get to another WS and Kikuchi carries his weight.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 29, 2024 19:53:46 GMT -6
My source said the deal with the Dodgers was pulled when the Toronto deal happened. I am not a happy camper with the trade unless he loves it here and signs an extension.
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Post by inaltuvewetrust on Jul 29, 2024 20:01:27 GMT -6
Even if Loperfido is a 4th outfielder, which he may be. He injected some youth and excitement in this ball club that will be missed.
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 29, 2024 20:02:00 GMT -6
I'm almost sick because this is so awful, so this is my last post in the trade.
Maybe things work out. Maybe we win the World Series. Maybe Kikuchi is great. Maybe he signs a 3-4 year extension and finally breaks out with Astros Pitching Magic and becomes the next Charlie Morton.
None of that will mean this was a good trade. You don't say jumping off a roof is a good decision after the fact because you had the good fortune to ricochet off the wall and land in a pool across the street where you meet your future wife.
This trade is evidence of absolutely disastrous thinking going on in the front office, to the level that I am seriously wondering if Crane and Bagwell did this and Dana Brown is a figurehead with no real power. The point is there is someone or some group in our front office with the power to make decisions who are showing again and again that THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
This direction is not sustainable. There is no team in modern history who has continued to operate like this without eventually falling apart. You cannot keep playing poor in the off-season and then savaging your already barren farm system every deadline for questionable, old rentals. This franchise will not remain where it is much longer if this keeps up.
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Post by inaltuvewetrust on Jul 29, 2024 20:02:02 GMT -6
Would moving Wagner mean we are going to try hard to resign Bregman?
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 29, 2024 20:09:58 GMT -6
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 29, 2024 20:12:10 GMT -6
Would moving Wagner mean we are going to try hard to resign Bregman? I just posted about this on Twitter. If they're going to keep blowing up their farm system like this, then they need to quit piddling around like a mid-market team in the off-season. Sign big free agents. Extend Bregman. Extend Tucker. Blow through the cap and pay the penalties like the Dodgers etc. do. You can't play Big Market win-at-all-costs Dodgers/Yankees games with your prospects but then go "oh no, we couldn't POSSIBLY give this superstar a six year extension, it's just not smart business!" at the same time. There are two paths. Pick one. |
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Post by inaltuvewetrust on Jul 29, 2024 20:13:31 GMT -6
Would moving Wagner mean we are going to try hard to resign Bregman? I just posted about this on Twitter. If they're going to keep blowing up their farm system like this, then they need to quit piddling around like a mid-market team in the off-season. Sign big free agents. Extend Bregman. Extend Tucker. Blow through the cap and pay the penalties like the Dodgers etc. do. You can't play Big Market win-at-all-costs Dodgers/Yankees games with your prospects but then go "oh no, we couldn't POSSIBLY give this superstar a six year extension, it's just not smart business!" at the same time. There are two paths. Pick one. Agreed. After this, feels like they have to resign Bregman and extend Tucker. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 29, 2024 20:14:13 GMT -6
I'm almost sick because this is so awful, so this is my last post in the trade. Maybe things work out. Maybe we win the World Series. Maybe Kikuchi is great. Maybe he signs a 3-4 year extension and finally breaks out with Astros Pitching Magic and becomes the next Charlie Morton. None of that will mean this was a good trade. You don't say jumping off a roof is a good decision after the fact because you had the good fortune to ricochet off the wall and land in a pool across the street where you meet your future wife. This trade is evidence of absolutely disastrous thinking going on in the front office, to the level that I am seriously wondering if Crane and Bagwell did this and Dana Brown is a figurehead with no real power. The point is there is someone or some group in our front office with the power to make decisions who are showing again and again that THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. This direction is not sustainable. There is no team in modern history who has continued to operate like this without eventually falling apart. You cannot keep playing poor in the off-season and then savaging your already barren farm system every deadline for questionable, old rentals. This franchise will not remain where it is much longer if this keeps up. [br Is there a team that has had this high a level of success for this long that didn't come down to earth for at least a bit? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 29, 2024 20:22:55 GMT -6
I'm almost sick because this is so awful, so this is my last post in the trade. Maybe things work out. Maybe we win the World Series. Maybe Kikuchi is great. Maybe he signs a 3-4 year extension and finally breaks out with Astros Pitching Magic and becomes the next Charlie Morton. None of that will mean this was a good trade. You don't say jumping off a roof is a good decision after the fact because you had the good fortune to ricochet off the wall and land in a pool across the street where you meet your future wife. This trade is evidence of absolutely disastrous thinking going on in the front office, to the level that I am seriously wondering if Crane and Bagwell did this and Dana Brown is a figurehead with no real power. The point is there is someone or some group in our front office with the power to make decisions who are showing again and again that THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. This direction is not sustainable. There is no team in modern history who has continued to operate like this without eventually falling apart. You cannot keep playing poor in the off-season and then savaging your already barren farm system every deadline for questionable, old rentals. This franchise will not remain where it is much longer if this keeps up. [br Is there a team that has had this high a level of success for this long that didn't come down to earth for at least a bit? Globetrotters |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 29, 2024 20:27:11 GMT -6
I'm almost sick because this is so awful, so this is my last post in the trade. Maybe things work out. Maybe we win the World Series. Maybe Kikuchi is great. Maybe he signs a 3-4 year extension and finally breaks out with Astros Pitching Magic and becomes the next Charlie Morton. None of that will mean this was a good trade. You don't say jumping off a roof is a good decision after the fact because you had the good fortune to ricochet off the wall and land in a pool across the street where you meet your future wife. This trade is evidence of absolutely disastrous thinking going on in the front office, to the level that I am seriously wondering if Crane and Bagwell did this and Dana Brown is a figurehead with no real power. The point is there is someone or some group in our front office with the power to make decisions who are showing again and again that THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. This direction is not sustainable. There is no team in modern history who has continued to operate like this without eventually falling apart. You cannot keep playing poor in the off-season and then savaging your already barren farm system every deadline for questionable, old rentals. This franchise will not remain where it is much longer if this keeps up. [br Is there a team that has had this high a level of success for this long that didn't come down to earth for at least a bit? They HAVE come down a little bit. They're fighting for their lives in baseball's weakest division. But I'm not talking about "coming down to earth for a bit." I'm talking implosion. These kinds of decisions always lead to destruction. It took less than half a decade for this team to go from a Clemens/Oswalt/Pettitte rotation and a WS appearance to ruination, because Drayton's dumb moves and razing of the farm system finally caught up. This feels like the second coming of Drayton. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 29, 2024 20:30:45 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Jul 29, 2024 20:31:04 GMT -6
I don't like this deal either, but we needed a pitcher.
The success of the Astros is what's important. I don't know of a team that has been as good as we've been for this long and ALSO kept a great farm system.
At some point though, if Crane really wants to keep this window open, he'll have to increase the payroll even further if he doesn't want to stockpile youth. And we're probably about there.
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Post by Saint on Jul 29, 2024 20:32:05 GMT -6
[br Is there a team that has had this high a level of success for this long that didn't come down to earth for at least a bit? They HAVE come down a little bit. They're fighting for their lives in baseball's weakest division. But I'm not talking about "coming down to earth for a bit." I'm talking implosion. These kinds of decisions always lead to destruction. It took less than half a decade for this team to go from a Clemens/Oswalt/Pettitte rotation and a WS appearance to ruination, because Drayton's dumb moves and razing of the farm system finally caught up. This feels like the second coming of Drayton. Maybe. But we were a win away from another WS last year. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 29, 2024 20:32:32 GMT -6
Would moving Wagner mean we are going to try hard to resign Bregman? I just posted about this on Twitter. If they're going to keep blowing up their farm system like this, then they need to quit piddling around like a mid-market team in the off-season. Sign big free agents. Extend Bregman. Extend Tucker. Blow through the cap and pay the penalties like the Dodgers etc. do. You can't play Big Market win-at-all-costs Dodgers/Yankees games with your prospects but then go "oh no, we couldn't POSSIBLY give this superstar a six year extension, it's just not smart business!" at the same time. There are two paths. Pick one. Sir, I’ve been saying this for years. |
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Post by inaltuvewetrust on Jul 29, 2024 20:33:52 GMT -6
Astros still in on Yandy, which scares me considering what we have up for Kikuchi.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 29, 2024 20:35:36 GMT -6
Astros still in on Yandy, which scares me considering what we have up for Kikuchi. Yeah, what’s left to give now that can actually be given? |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 29, 2024 20:38:19 GMT -6
I just posted about this on Twitter. If they're going to keep blowing up their farm system like this, then they need to quit piddling around like a mid-market team in the off-season. Sign big free agents. Extend Bregman. Extend Tucker. Blow through the cap and pay the penalties like the Dodgers etc. do. You can't play Big Market win-at-all-costs Dodgers/Yankees games with your prospects but then go "oh no, we couldn't POSSIBLY give this superstar a six year extension, it's just not smart business!" at the same time. There are two paths. Pick one. Sir, I’ve been saying this for years. It's only since last year they've been making absolutely boneheaded trades though. Luhnow and Click were keeping things in line. Crane removed them and things have gone full-on dinosaur age. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 29, 2024 20:39:42 GMT -6
Astros still in on Yandy, which scares me considering what we have up for Kikuchi. Yeah, what’s left to give now that can actually be given? Melton as the headliner. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 29, 2024 20:40:41 GMT -6
Astros still in on Yandy, which scares me considering what we have up for Kikuchi. I'm at the point of not knowing what to think. On the one hand, Brown might just give up the rest of the farm for him. But with what he's already done, you'd better go big and win it. Go get Diaz. Get another starter. Get a couple of relievers. Release Montero. You just blew up your farm again, now's not the time to pull punches. Might as well take another real shot at the quarter mile before the wheels all come off. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 29, 2024 20:47:58 GMT -6
Astros still in on Yandy, which scares me considering what we have up for Kikuchi. I'm at the point of not knowing what to think. On the one hand, Brown might just give up the rest of the farm for him. But with what he's already done, you'd better go big and win it. Go get Diaz. Get another starter. Get a couple of relievers. Release Montero. You just blew up your farm again, now's not the time to pull punches. Might as well take another real shot at the quarter mile before the wheels all come off. Brown might trade every player not drafted under his regime. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 29, 2024 20:48:48 GMT -6
Astros still in on Yandy, which scares me considering what we have up for Kikuchi. I'm at the point of not knowing what to think. On the one hand, Brown might just give up the rest of the farm for him. But with what he's already done, you'd better go big and win it. Go get Diaz. Get another starter. Get a couple of relievers. Release Montero. You just blew up your farm again, now's not the time to pull punches. Might as well take another real shot at the quarter mile before the wheels all come off. But he did draft Bloss... |
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