GDT: Blue Jays vs. Astros, 6/25/2018

[olpapa]

Jun 26, 2018 13:57:01 GMT -6 marshall said:

Jun 26, 2018 12:59:48 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

The replays I saw showed the outfielder with his glove extended over the wall going for the ball. Fans are entitled to any ball that is out of the field of play and that ball was definitely out of the field of play.

The views I saw did nor show the fan side plane of the wall being breached by the player or the ball, though the ball might have done so before reaching the top of the wall. The player certainly was above the line by about 2 feet, but I didn't see him break the fan side plane.

If I understand the rule correctly, the “fan side plane” of the wall does not have to be breached by the player. Only the plane directly above the fence. Only the area to the playing field side of the fence belongs to the fielder. That area directly above the fence and beyond the fence belongs to the spectators. 

[blcoach8]

Jun 26, 2018 14:23:21 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Jun 26, 2018 13:57:01 GMT -6 marshall said:

The views I saw did nor show the fan side plane of the wall being breached by the player or the ball, though the ball might have done so before reaching the top of the wall. The player certainly was above the line by about 2 feet, but I didn't see him break the fan side plane.

If I understand the rule correctly, the “fan side plane” of the wall does not have to be breached by the player. Only the plane directly above the fence. Only the area to the playing field side of the fence belongs to the fielder. That area directly above the fence and beyond the fence belongs to the spectators. 

That ball was definitely in the area so that it was perfectly legal for the fan to touch it.  That idiot backed off and let the guy catch the ball and cost us a chance to win the game.

[bearbryant]

Jun 25, 2018 20:41:23 GMT -6 Saint said:

Jun 25, 2018 20:39:30 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

Inexcusable. A manager’s job is to get on his players about that, not just be their BFF.

I don't know the players well enough to know what style works on them. Hinch has a good repoire rapport with them.

fixed

[marshall]

Jun 26, 2018 14:28:46 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

Jun 26, 2018 14:23:21 GMT -6 olpapa said:

If I understand the rule correctly, the “fan side plane” of the wall does not have to be breached by the player. Only the plane directly above the fence. Only the area to the playing field side of the fence belongs to the fielder. That area directly above the fence and beyond the fence belongs to the spectators. 

That ball was definitely in the area so that it was perfectly legal for the fan to touch it.  That idiot backed off and let the guy catch the ball and cost us a chance to win the game.

I'd like to have seen a better angle. We just disagree in whether the ball was above the stands or not at this point, probably based on different angles.

[koolade2]

This is the first time a Houston fan has dove out of the way to let an opposing Player make a play to stop a run from being scored. Just to show you how uninformed most fans that are going to the game.

[olpapa]

Jun 26, 2018 17:54:04 GMT -6 marshall said:

Jun 26, 2018 14:28:46 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

That ball was definitely in the area so that it was perfectly legal for the fan to touch it.  That idiot backed off and let the guy catch the ball and cost us a chance to win the game.

I'd like to have seen a better angle. We just disagree in whether the ball was above the stands or not at this point, probably based on different angles.

Again..., the ball did not have to be above the stands. Read my earlier post from the MLB Rule Book.

“No interference shall be allowed when a fielder reaches over a fence, railing, rope or into a stand to catch a ball. He does so at his own risk. However, should a spectator reach out on the playing field side of such fence, railing or rope, and plainly prevent the fielder from catching the ball, then the batsman should be called out for the spectator’s interference.”

If the ball is not to the playing field side of the fence when the fan makes contact with the ball or fielder, it is not fan interference. If the ball is directly over the fence when the fan makes contact it is not fan interference. I just watched the replay. At a minimum, the outfielder reached back above the fence to catch Marisnick’s flyball.