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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 2, 2018 16:30:09 GMT -6
I try to be the eternal Astros optimist Like I said, it’s tough to stay upbeat when asking for a sac fly is like asking for a 5-run homer. It was a bad sign yesterday when Gurriel took a hittable strike with the infield in and left Bregman stranded at 3rd in the first inning. Let's be honest, you were downbeat for the entire World Series Championship season. Don't make me post texts. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 2, 2018 16:34:52 GMT -6
Like I said, it’s tough to stay upbeat when asking for a sac fly is like asking for a 5-run homer. It was a bad sign yesterday when Gurriel took a hittable strike with the infield in and left Bregman stranded at 3rd in the first inning. Let's be honest, you were downbeat for the entire World Series Championship season. Don't make me post texts. I was upbeat too. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 2, 2018 16:35:33 GMT -6
There is no reason to keep Tucker in AAA anymore. He should be playing LF after the all-star break. Bring up Tucker. Trade for Abreu. Trade for a reliever. Springer CF Bregman 3B Altuve 2B Correa SS Abreu 1B Gattis DH Reddick RF Stassi C Tucker LF Marwin (Anywhere but C) Marisnick (OF) - I say him over Kemp if everybody is healthy purely for late-inning defense and baserunning. Kemp should be an everyday starter in AAA in prep for taking over for Jake next year. Gurriel (Any infield but SS) McCann (C) Verlander Cole Morton Keuchel McCullers McHugh Peacock Rondon Devenski Trade Sipp Giles Smith Use Peacock and McHugh to relieve some of the starters and more heavily used relievers for 10-Day DL stints for rest and to keep people fresh unless we get a legitimate injury. If everybody is healthy come postseason, drop the weakest reliever off the postseason roster (Sipp or Giles most likely). Son, what did Gurriel do to you? Kemp, too. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 2, 2018 16:36:46 GMT -6
Let's be honest, you were downbeat for the entire World Series Championship season. Don't make me post texts. I was upbeat too. No you were not. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 2, 2018 16:38:24 GMT -6
Are you saying I was never positive about anyone or anything all last season? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 2, 2018 16:39:17 GMT -6
Negligible.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 2, 2018 17:07:41 GMT -6
The Astros ought to have swept the Rays, but instead had their asses handed to them and were lucky to get out of town with one win. My post was prompted by this post and the many similar ones we are inundated with: “The Astros have better hitting numbers than any of the opponents he's faced so far; Keuchel ought to get good run support at least.” Astros ought to do this or that. Numbers this...numbers that..., the game isn’t played on paper or on a computer screen. Games are won or lost on the field. I’m sure the numbers said the Astros ought to have won at least 3 games in the Tampa Bay series...probably 4. Numbers don’t mean squat once the umpire says “play ball.” The Rays did, and do, deserve credit because, from what I’ve seen, they come to the ballpark to compete every game. The Astros do not. Sometimes they go through the motions....from AJ’s occasional flippant approach to filling out the lineup card to players taking the night off and going through the motions on the field (for example: Reddick’s brain fart). Numbers don’t account for that. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 2, 2018 17:25:16 GMT -6
Rays need to be given credit for their play the last ten days. They swept the Yankees and out-dueled Scherzer before we came to town My post was prompted by this post and the many similar ones we are inundated with: “The Astros have better hitting numbers than any of the opponents he's faced so far; Keuchel ought to get good run support at least.” Astros ought to do this or that. Numbers this...numbers that..., the game isn’t played on paper or on a computer screen. Games are won or lost on the field. I’m sure the numbers said the Astros ought to have won at least 3 games in the Tampa Bay series...probably 4. Numbers don’t mean squat once the umpire says “play ball.” The Rays did, and do, deserve credit because, from what I’ve seen, they come to the ballpark to compete every game. The Astros do not. Sometimes they go through the motions....from AJ’s occasional flippant approach to filling out the lineup card to players taking the night off and going through the motions on the field (for example: Reddick’s brain fart). Numbers don’t account for that. Hear hear |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 2, 2018 18:20:46 GMT -6
The quote function makes it look like my imperatives are directed at one person, when usually it's meant in the "we" sense. And they're usually to bring balance to
the discussion rather than me opining against numbers and stats, for example. It's been neglected in the narrative in my opinion how well TBR had been playing recently,
even though the crew made several mentions of it during the telecasts
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Post by olpapa on Jul 2, 2018 18:49:01 GMT -6
The quote function makes it look like my imperatives are directed at one person, when usually it's meant in the "we" sense. And they're usually to bring balance to
the discussion rather than me opining against numbers and stats, for example. It's been neglected in the narrative in my opinion how well TBR had been playing recently,
even though the crew made several mentions of it during the telecasts Whachu tawkin’ bout Willis? |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 2, 2018 18:53:34 GMT -6
The quote function makes it look like my imperatives are directed at one person, when usually it's meant in the "we" sense. And they're usually to bring balance to
the discussion rather than me opining against numbers and stats, for example. It's been neglected in the narrative in my opinion how well TBR had been playing recently,
even though the crew made several mentions of it during the telecasts Whachu tawkin’ bout Willis? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 2, 2018 19:11:39 GMT -6
Rays need to be given credit for their play the last ten days. They swept the Yankees and out-dueled Scherzer before we came to town [/font][/b] [/quote] You’re right. It’s fair to give the Rays credit for their recent success. It’d also be easier to do so had key errors and miscues not been huge factors in two of the three losses. Unfortunately, it’s easier to focus on that than the Rays’ level of impressive play. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 2, 2018 19:33:06 GMT -6
Unfortunately, it’s easier to focus on that than the Rays’ level of impressive play. it's easy to focus on the big picture if you see the forest for the trees. Teams playing well take advantage of miscues, and teams that aren't don't |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 2, 2018 20:49:16 GMT -6
Teams playing well take advantage of miscues, and teams that aren't don't That falls under the heading of “winners find a way to win...losers find a way to lose.” |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 2, 2018 20:49:52 GMT -6
That’s also valid.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 2, 2018 21:47:16 GMT -6
Sir, I’ll be more positive once you heap praises on Marisnick. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 2, 2018 22:16:37 GMT -6
Sir, I’ll be more positive once you heap praises on Marisnick. Over the last two weeks, we have gotten more production from Marisnick than from Marwin, George, or Correa before getting a stiff back. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 2, 2018 23:28:33 GMT -6
Sir, I’ll be more positive once you heap praises on Marisnick. Over the last two weeks, we have gotten more production from Marisnick than from Marwin, George, or Correa before getting a stiff back. I thought it was a stiff pecker you accused them of having. |
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Post by marshall on Jul 3, 2018 1:02:45 GMT -6
My post was prompted by this post and the many similar ones we are inundated with: “The Astros have better hitting numbers than any of the opponents he's faced so far; Keuchel ought to get good run support at least.” Astros ought to do this or that. Numbers this...numbers that..., the game isn’t played on paper or on a computer screen. Games are won or lost on the field. I’m sure the numbers said the Astros ought to have won at least 3 games in the Tampa Bay series...probably 4. Numbers don’t mean squat once the umpire says “play ball.” The Rays did, and do, deserve credit because, from what I’ve seen, they come to the ballpark to compete every game. The Astros do not. Sometimes they go through the motions....from AJ’s occasional flippant approach to filling out the lineup card to players taking the night off and going through the motions on the field (for example: Reddick’s brain fart). Numbers don’t account for that. Hear hear |
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Post by marshall on Jul 3, 2018 1:03:58 GMT -6
My post was prompted by this post and the many similar ones we are inundated with: “The Astros have better hitting numbers than any of the opponents he's faced so far; Keuchel ought to get good run support at least.” Astros ought to do this or that. Numbers this...numbers that..., the game isn’t played on paper or on a computer screen. Games are won or lost on the field. I’m sure the numbers said the Astros ought to have won at least 3 games in the Tampa Bay series...probably 4. Numbers don’t mean squat once the umpire says “play ball.” The Rays did, and do, deserve credit because, from what I’ve seen, they come to the ballpark to compete every game. The Astros do not. Sometimes they go through the motions....from AJ’s occasional flippant approach to filling out the lineup card to players taking the night off and going through the motions on the field (for example: Reddick’s brain fart). Numbers don’t account for that. Hear hear Is that similar to there there and Dilly Dilly? |
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Post by marshall on Jul 3, 2018 1:12:33 GMT -6
Sir, I’ll be more positive once you heap praises on Marisnick. That made me snicker. I couldn't help myself. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 3, 2018 8:36:47 GMT -6
Over the last two weeks, we have gotten more production from Marisnick than from Marwin, George, or Correa before getting a stiff back. I thought it was a stiff pecker you accused them of having. Should be sore peckers by now........and I wonder if Correa's "stiffness" was in his back. Marwin has been dragging his ass...and George is in such a horrible slump that it's gotten into his head and made it worse. Maybe Correa's stiffness is about to loosen up, but, it could return as soon as we get off this road trip. Maybe a good dose of salt peter is in order.  If Jake keeps on out-producing them as he has been. we will be in trouble. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 3, 2018 8:45:55 GMT -6
I thought it was a stiff pecker you accused them of having. Should be sore peckers by now........and I wonder if Correa's "stiffness" was in his back. Marwin has been dragging his ass...and George is in such a horrible slump that it's gotten into his head and made it worse. Maybe Correa's stiffness is about to loosen up, but, it could return as soon as we get off this road trip. Maybe a good dose of salt peter is in order. If Jake keeps on out-producing them as he has been. we will be in trouble. Trout, the best overall player in MLB, went a slump earlier this year...I believe he went a stretch of 0-20...and something like 2-30....even the great ones go in a slump....I have not doubt that Springer will not breakout of the slump and put up some great stats...I am not saying he is Trout level, of course he is not, but Springer has top talent and will produce.... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 3, 2018 10:22:43 GMT -6
Should be sore peckers by now........and I wonder if Correa's "stiffness" was in his back. Marwin has been dragging his ass...and George is in such a horrible slump that it's gotten into his head and made it worse. Maybe Correa's stiffness is about to loosen up, but, it could return as soon as we get off this road trip. Maybe a good dose of salt peter is in order. If Jake keeps on out-producing them as he has been. we will be in trouble. Trout, the best overall player in MLB, went a slump earlier this year...I believe he went a stretch of 0-20...and something like 2-30....even the great ones go in a slump....I have not doubt that Springer will not breakout of the slump and put up some great stats...I am not saying he is Trout level, of course he is not, but Springer has top talent and will produce.... Springer will break out of it because that’s how he is. After Game 1 of the ‘17 World Series, who saw him doing what he did the rest of the way? Pretty much no one. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 3, 2018 11:10:15 GMT -6
Should be sore peckers by now........and I wonder if Correa's "stiffness" was in his back. Marwin has been dragging his ass...and George is in such a horrible slump that it's gotten into his head and made it worse. Maybe Correa's stiffness is about to loosen up, but, it could return as soon as we get off this road trip. Maybe a good dose of salt peter is in order. If Jake keeps on out-producing them as he has been. we will be in trouble. Trout, the best overall player in MLB, went a slump earlier this year...I believe he went a stretch of 0-20...and something like 2-30....even the great ones go in a slump....I have not doubt that Springer will not breakout of the slump and put up some great stats...I am not saying he is Trout level, of course he is not, but Springer has top talent and will produce.... Unless I lost count, George is in about a 6-62 stretch and Marwin 3-25 which would make them 9-87. That is enough to explain why our run produciton is down, especially since Hinch has refused to take George out of the leadoff spot, which means we have started every game lately with an out. I don't doubt for a minute that George has great talent and will snap out of this. I love his enthusiasm and how he plays. I think he is putting so much pressure on himself that it has extended his slump. Trout is a great player, but, until he stays healty for a season and his team wins something, I won't annoint him as the best in the game. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 3, 2018 11:17:56 GMT -6
Trout, the best overall player in MLB, went a slump earlier this year...I believe he went a stretch of 0-20...and something like 2-30....even the great ones go in a slump....I have not doubt that Springer will not breakout of the slump and put up some great stats...I am not saying he is Trout level, of course he is not, but Springer has top talent and will produce.... Unless I lost count, George is in about a 6-62 stretch and Marwin 3-25 which would make them 9-87. That is enough to explain why our run produciton is down, especially since Hinch has refused to take George out of the leadoff spot, which means we have started every game lately with an out. I don't doubt for a minute that George has great talent and will snap out of this. I love his enthusiasm and how he plays. I think he is putting so much pressure on himself that it has extended his slump. Trout is a great player, but, until he stays healty for a season and his team wins something, I won't annoint him as the best in the game. His shortest season was last year and he still played over a 100 games... It's the only season he hasn't been completely healthy. And he can only do so much for his team. The guy is the best, period. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 3, 2018 13:31:13 GMT -6
Unless I lost count, George is in about a 6-62 stretch and Marwin 3-25 which would make them 9-87. That is enough to explain why our run produciton is down, especially since Hinch has refused to take George out of the leadoff spot, which means we have started every game lately with an out. I don't doubt for a minute that George has great talent and will snap out of this. I love his enthusiasm and how he plays. I think he is putting so much pressure on himself that it has extended his slump. Trout is a great player, but, until he stays healty for a season and his team wins something, I won't annoint him as the best in the game. His shortest season was last year and he still played over a 100 games... It's the only season he hasn't been completely healthy. And he can only do so much for his team. The guy is the best, period. Yes, the media keeps telling us that Trout is the best.....still waiting for him to win a batting title or to see the greatest player in the game lead his team to the playoffs. How many times has this great player led he league in number of hits or in batting average? He's good but, to be the "best", he needs something other than the media's praise to prove it. I am on record as criticizing Altuve for mental lapses which are there for all to see. I have also seen Trout make many of the same mistakes, but, I have yet to see Trout win a batting title or lead his team to a championship. In spite of Altuve's mental mistakes, he is much more valuable to the Astros than Trout is to the Angels, in my opinion. Altuve has a WS title........Trout has the praise of the media.......I'll take the championship, and, I WOULD NOT TRADE Altuve for Mike Trout. To those who will call me a hypocrite for saying Altuve is dumb and then praising him........I have known lots of good players who lack intelligence, but, I have never known a great player who was not also a pretty good leader, either by being vocal or by actions. Altuve is the best hitter in the game today and has led his team to a WS title which trumps any mental errors he makes. Trout is a good hitter, also makes mental errors, but has NO titles to his credit. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 3, 2018 13:44:27 GMT -6
WAR bombers incoming!
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Post by Saint on Jul 3, 2018 13:47:06 GMT -6
His shortest season was last year and he still played over a 100 games... It's the only season he hasn't been completely healthy. And he can only do so much for his team. The guy is the best, period. Yes, the media keeps telling us that Trout is the best.....still waiting for him to win a batting title or to see the greatest player in the game lead his team to the playoffs. How many times has this great player led he league in number of hits or in batting average? He's good but, to be the "best", he needs something other than the media's praise to prove it. I am on record as criticizing Altuve for mental lapses which are there for all to see. I have also seen Trout make many of the same mistakes, but, I have yet to see Trout win a batting title or lead his team to a championship. In spite of Altuve's mental mistakes, he is much more valuable to the Astros than Trout is to the Angels, in my opinion. Altuve has a WS title........Trout has the praise of the media.......I'll take the championship, and, I WOULD NOT TRADE Altuve for Mike Trout. To those who will call me a hypocrite for saying Altuve is dumb and then praising him........I have known lots of good players who lack intelligence, but, I have never known a great player who was not also a pretty good leader, either by being vocal or by actions. Altuve is the best hitter in the game today and has led his team to a WS title which trumps any mental errors he makes. Trout is a good hitter, also makes mental errors, but has NO titles to his credit. One man on a 25-man team can't win it all. That's ridiculous. And leading in Hits and/or AVG is great, but it hardly determines ultimate success. He has, however, led in: Runs: 4 times RBI: 1 time Walks: 3 times SBs: 1 time OBP: 3 times SLG: 2 times OPS: 2 times OPS+: 4 times WAR: 6 times! Top-5 MVP finishes every year he has played a full season including 2 MVPs and 3 2nd-place finishes which he arguably should have been 1st also. I have no idea what the media says about him because I don't listen to west coast sports. The guy is a beast and anybody should be able to see that regardless of media attention. The guy has a career OPS of .985, and we haven't talked about his defense. He's a top 1 or 2 offensive player every year while playing one of the toughest defensive positions. Altuve is great and is the most important player on our team... Trout is still the better all-around player. He's more productive offensively, he runs better, and he's a better fielder. Altuve only won the MVP last year because Trout missed 40+ games. Now durability is certainly important too so Altuve deserved to win, but Trout is the best player in baseball right now. If you switched the two of them, we would be better and the Angels would be worse. That's just how it is. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 3, 2018 13:50:16 GMT -6
You don't even need WAR to compare the two. Using just offensive numbers Trout is ahead of Altuve. It's like comparing Bagwell and Biggio in their primes. Biggio was great and gritty, but Bagwell was hands down the best and most important player on our team during those years. |
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