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Post by m240 on Jun 19, 2018 16:44:50 GMT -6
Gurriel is 18 in mlb first basemen in ops, Abreu is 6th even with his current slump and Gurriel hitting a hot streak. Abreu has a year of arbitration left after this year. Gattis and Gonzales are both free agents. By getting Abreu you would move either Bregman or Gurriel to the outfield, Kemp becomes the fourth outfielder and Marisnick gets no at bats and Gonzales at bats are reduced.
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Post by marshall on Jun 19, 2018 16:50:44 GMT -6
Gurriel is 18 in mlb first basemen in ops, Abreu is 6th even with his current slump and Gurriel hitting a hot streak. Abreu has a year of arbitration left after this year. Gattis and Gonzales are both free agents. By getting Abreu you would move either Bregman or Gurriel to the outfield, Kemp becomes the fourth outfielder and Marisnick gets no at bats and Gonzales at bats are reduced. I'm sure they can make it work. But if Marisnick's still getting ABs now, I doubt adding Abreu would replace Marisnick ABs. I really wonder if the improved offense would be worth the cost defensively. Gurriel has learned to pick the low throws saving a lot of errors. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 19, 2018 17:05:32 GMT -6
Gurriel is 18 in mlb first basemen in ops, Abreu is 6th even with his current slump and Gurriel hitting a hot streak. Abreu has a year of arbitration left after this year. Gattis and Gonzales are both free agents. By getting Abreu you would move either Bregman or Gurriel to the outfield, Kemp becomes the fourth outfielder and Marisnick gets no at bats and Gonzales at bats are reduced. Gurriel leads the majors in hitting with runners in scoring position and is a better first baseman than Abreu. I fail to see why you want to reduce Marwin's at bats just as he is beginning to produce. I agree with eliminating Marisnick's at bats. Moving a great third baseman like Bregman to the outfield makes not only makes no sense but it won't happen. Yuli would be a terrible option in LF. You don't screw up your whole defense to add Abreu or anyone else. I guess you want to get rid of Gattis, too. I wanted to get rid of him before he made adjustments and started producing. Evan Gattis is the main reason we have a 12 game winning streak. |
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Post by m240 on Jun 19, 2018 18:25:28 GMT -6
Gurriel is 18 in mlb first basemen in ops, Abreu is 6th even with his current slump and Gurriel hitting a hot streak. Abreu has a year of arbitration left after this year. Gattis and Gonzales are both free agents. By getting Abreu you would move either Bregman or Gurriel to the outfield, Kemp becomes the fourth outfielder and Marisnick gets no at bats and Gonzales at bats are reduced. Gurriel leads the majors in hitting with runners in scoring position and is a better first baseman than Abreu. I fail to see why you want to reduce Marwin's at bats just as he is beginning to produce. I agree with eliminating Marisnick's at bats. Moving a great third baseman like Bregman to the outfield makes not only makes no sense but it won't happen. Yuli would be a terrible option in LF. You don't screw up your whole defense to add Abreu or anyone else. I guess you want to get rid of Gattis, too. I wanted to get rid of him before he made adjustments and started producing. Evan Gattis is the main reason we have a 12 game winning streak. Gattis is producing why would you even bring him up. That makes zero sense at all. Gurriel is 18th in ops, Abreu is 6th with an ops of over 100 points higher than Gurriel. That equates to somewhere between 10-14 more runs than Gurriel when looked at for a complete season. I do not know the number but I doubt that Gurriel's picking of low throws saves more runs than that. Bottom line we need at least 12 productive bats for the playoffs. I do not care if we trade for Abreu or anyone else. If we can get 12 solid bats by just having another minor leaguer up and producing then great. Abreu is available and if Luhnow thinks he is the best option then get him just so long as all we trade are blocked prospects. Oh and by the way Bregman played some left field the other night. I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR IT, but it did happen so that is interesting that is all. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 19, 2018 18:32:38 GMT -6
Abreu only makes sense if you're ready to pass on Gattis next year.
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Post by m240 on Jun 19, 2018 18:47:43 GMT -6
Or if we believe he will pass on us. From a Sabermetric standpoint so far this year Abreu has created 43.8 runs so far this year and Gurriel has created 27.8. A lineup of Abreus would create runs at a rate of 5.66 runs per game while a lineup of Gurriels creates 4.24 runs per game.
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Post by marshall on Jun 19, 2018 19:18:18 GMT -6
My audio keeps trailing the action. I just have to keep rebooting.
I need to look at snell's pitch count this inning. I bet it's getting up there.
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Post by marshall on Jun 19, 2018 19:24:14 GMT -6
Snell's pitch count is much lower than I expected.
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Post by m240 on Jun 19, 2018 19:29:20 GMT -6
he is at 55 but are you on the right thread
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Post by marshall on Jun 19, 2018 19:37:00 GMT -6
No. I am not.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 19, 2018 22:55:35 GMT -6
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 19, 2018 23:03:32 GMT -6
MLB Network today saying the Astros may go for Raisel Iglesias for the pen or Jose Abreu for 1B. If we did get Abreu, where do you shuffle Gurriel/Gattis? The somewhat comical suggestion on MLB Network was: Gurriel should play LF! |
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Post by olpapa on Jun 20, 2018 4:38:23 GMT -6
If we did get Abreu, where do you shuffle Gurriel/Gattis? The somewhat comical suggestion on MLB Network was: Gurriel should play LF! Gurriel in LF? I’ll pass. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 20, 2018 7:05:20 GMT -6
Here is an analysis of the Herrera trade. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/royals-hastily-trade-kelvin-herrera-to-nationals/ It sounds like KCR settled for a deal that wouldn't have hurt the Astros. So I wonder what the issue was. Was Luhnow not interested in Herrera for certain reasons? Was an offer not made early enough? Interesting that Herrera will be a setup man on his new team. On the Astros, I would presume he would be the closer, but maybe not. Still several relievers out there to like for an Astros trade. Maybe the best news this week is that Herrera didn't go to the Yankees, Indians, or Red Sox. |
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Post by m240 on Jun 20, 2018 7:28:42 GMT -6
Here is an analysis of the Herrera trade. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/royals-hastily-trade-kelvin-herrera-to-nationals/ It sounds like KCR settled for a deal that wouldn't have hurt the Astros. So I wonder what the issue was. Was Luhnow not interested in Herrera for certain reasons? Was an offer not made early enough? Interesting that Herrera will be a setup man on his new team. On the Astros, I would presume he would be the closer, but maybe not. Still several relievers out there to like for an Astros trade. Maybe the best news this week is that Herrera didn't go to the Yankees, Indians, or Red Sox. Just looking at the rankings for comparison that would equal Houston sending Acala, H Perez, and Thornton to KC. It would not take me long to make that call. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 20, 2018 7:41:10 GMT -6
I like Abreu and all, but Gattis has been hitting well since I supported the idea. If he comes here, he’d likely screw up the defense. I don’t think that weakening the outfield and putting the majority of the plays on Springer and Reddick is really a productive idea.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 20, 2018 8:14:41 GMT -6
If we trade for a position player, it should be an OF who can drive in runs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 8:43:30 GMT -6
MB...
I don't see Angels parting with Trout. Struggling franchise doesn't want a fan revolt.
I think Goldschmidt is a more viable option. Also thus giving us maybe the greatest infield in MLB history.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 20, 2018 8:46:15 GMT -6
I like Abreu and all, but Gattis has been hitting well since I supported the idea. If he comes here, he’d likely screw up the defense. I don’t think that weakening the outfield and putting the majority of the plays on Springer and Reddick is really a productive idea. I am still trading for Abreu...Gattis is very streaky...he is almost like the other G guy (Giles), there is good Gattis and bad Gattis....big difference between the two, one is like able (Gattis), the other (Giles) not so much. Gattis and Gurriel would split time at DH....Gurriel will probably get some time in LF and occasionally 3b, or split time with Abreu at 1b, when Abreu is at DH....Abreu, with his top rated bat, will always be starting. I also think AJ will spot start Gattis at catcher...to be the emergency catcher. Marwin will lose a little time in LF, and with the addition of Abreu, I could see him in more a super utility role. Which coincides with how AJ likes to rest his various players.... Kemp stays. And either White or Marisnick go back to the minors...I probably think White, unless he is killing it....reason being, Hinch will probably want to save Jake for late inning defense or pinch runner purposes.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 8:46:29 GMT -6
Bryce Harper though terribly talented is a club house cancer prima donna POS. Luhnow is too smart to make that move.
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Post by m240 on Jun 20, 2018 8:46:55 GMT -6
I like Abreu and all, but Gattis has been hitting well since I supported the idea. If he comes here, he’d likely screw up the defense. I don’t think that weakening the outfield and putting the majority of the plays on Springer and Reddick is really a productive idea. and yet if we are to believe the rumors they are considering it. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 20, 2018 8:48:41 GMT -6
I like Abreu and all, but Gattis has been hitting well since I supported the idea. If he comes here, he’d likely screw up the defense. I don’t think that weakening the outfield and putting the majority of the plays on Springer and Reddick is really a productive idea. I am still trading for Abreu...Gattis is very streaky...he is almost like the other G guy (Giles), there is good Gattis and bad Gattis....big difference between the two, one is like able (Gattis), the other (Giles) not so much. Gattis and Gurriel would split time at DH....Gurriel will probably get some time in LF and occasionally 3b, or split time with Abreu at 1b, when Abreu is at DH....Abreu, with his top rated bat, will always be starting. I also think AJ will spot start Gattis at catcher...to be the emergency catcher. Marwin will lose a little time in LF, and with the addition of Abreu, I could see him in more a super utility role. Which coincides with how AJ likes to rest his various players.... Kemp stays. And either White or Marisnick go back to the minors...I probably think White, unless he is killing it....reason being, Hinch will probably want to save Jake for late inning defense or pinch runner purposes.... Gurriel is a better defensive 1B than Abreu though. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 20, 2018 8:50:10 GMT -6
Springer (rather have Altuve Lead Off)
Bregman
Altuve
Abreu
Correa
Gurriel/Gattis
Reddick
Marwin
McCann/Stassi
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 20, 2018 8:53:17 GMT -6
I am still trading for Abreu...Gattis is very streaky...he is almost like the other G guy (Giles), there is good Gattis and bad Gattis....big difference between the two, one is like able (Gattis), the other (Giles) not so much. Gattis and Gurriel would split time at DH....Gurriel will probably get some time in LF and occasionally 3b, or split time with Abreu at 1b, when Abreu is at DH....Abreu, with his top rated bat, will always be starting. I also think AJ will spot start Gattis at catcher...to be the emergency catcher. Marwin will lose a little time in LF, and with the addition of Abreu, I could see him in more a super utility role. Which coincides with how AJ likes to rest his various players.... Kemp stays. And either White or Marisnick go back to the minors...I probably think White, unless he is killing it....reason being, Hinch will probably want to save Jake for late inning defense or pinch runner purposes.... Gurriel is a better defensive 1B than Abreu though. Abreu would split time at 1b and DH, but he is always starting. Gurriel takes up the other 1b starts and is either in LF, 3B or DH on a part-time basis....Gattis is getting his ABs at DH and very part time catcher... |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 20, 2018 8:56:07 GMT -6
Abreu is a known has being a great clubhouse guy....I am all for synergy.
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Post by Saint on Jun 20, 2018 8:57:13 GMT -6
Gurriel is a better defensive 1B than Abreu though. Abreu would split time at 1b and DH, but he is always starting. Gurriel takes up the other 1b starts and is either in LF, 3B or DH on a part-time basis....Gattis is getting his ABs at DH and very part time catcher... Could work... |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 20, 2018 9:13:52 GMT -6
Abreu would split time at 1b and DH, but he is always starting. Gurriel takes up the other 1b starts and is either in LF, 3B or DH on a part-time basis....Gattis is getting his ABs at DH and very part time catcher... Could work... Yankees look like juggernauts offensively....I want to match fire power.......BTW - the Yankees have a really good farm now, I don't see them standing pat come trade deadline in search of a top rated starting pitcher.....And then there are still the Red Sox (who will surely do something before the trade deadline) and Indians... |
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Post by Saint on Jun 20, 2018 9:29:36 GMT -6
Yankees look like juggernauts offensively....I want to match fire power.......BTW - the Yankees have a really good farm now, I don't see them standing pat come trade deadline in search of a top rated starting pitcher.....And then there are still the Red Sox (who will surely do something before the trade deadline) and Indians... I expect them to trade for two big name pitchers. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 20, 2018 9:35:30 GMT -6
Yankees look like juggernauts offensively....I want to match fire power.......BTW - the Yankees have a really good farm now, I don't see them standing pat come trade deadline in search of a top rated starting pitcher.....And then there are still the Red Sox (who will surely do something before the trade deadline) and Indians... I expect them to trade for two big name pitchers. Yankees are going to be scary good this year, especially come playoff time...Despite Astros road success this year, it is important for the Astros to have home team playoff advantage... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 20, 2018 9:49:06 GMT -6
I like Abreu and all, but Gattis has been hitting well since I supported the idea. If he comes here, he’d likely screw up the defense. I don’t think that weakening the outfield and putting the majority of the plays on Springer and Reddick is really a productive idea. I am still trading for Abreu...Gattis is very streaky...he is almost like the other G guy (Giles), there is good Gattis and bad Gattis....big difference between the two, one is like able (Gattis), the other (Giles) not so much. Gattis and Gurriel would split time at DH....Gurriel will probably get some time in LF and occasionally 3b, or split time with Abreu at 1b, when Abreu is at DH....Abreu, with his top rated bat, will always be starting. I also think AJ will spot start Gattis at catcher...to be the emergency catcher. Marwin will lose a little time in LF, and with the addition of Abreu, I could see him in more a super utility role. Which coincides with how AJ likes to rest his various players.... Kemp stays. And either White or Marisnick go back to the minors...I probably think White, unless he is killing it....reason being, Hinch will probably want to save Jake for late inning defense or pinch runner purposes.... The problem with Abreu is he’s really another Carlos Lee type. He has to take at the plate or else his value is very minimal. |
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