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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 20, 2018 4:48:42 GMT -6
So that could be Jose Martinez? Nope. We could get that same production from White or Davis at no additional cost without losing prospects. Plus, when Tucker starts raking, we'll need a place for Kemp.
It's getting harder to find players who would actually improve this roster over the long haul. Of those commonly mentioned, only Realmuto at C and Iglasias in relief seem to be improvements to our roster. Not because others aren't good, but because what we have is good.We need more than good to improve our roster.
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Post by marshall on Jul 20, 2018 6:43:21 GMT -6
This Jose Martinez who plays for the Cardinals? The 29 year old with less than 700 career PA? Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards 2016 27 STL NL 12 18 16 4 7 1 0 0 1 0 0 2 1 .438 .500 .500 1.000 171 8 0 0 0 0 0 /73 2017 28 STL NL 106 307 272 47 84 13 1 14 46 4 0 32 60 .309 .379 .518 .897 134 141 9 0 1 2 2 379/D 2018 29 STL NL 88 355 317 35 94 18 0 13 56 0 3 33 55 .297 .363 .476 .840 127 151 10 2 0 3 0 *3/9D
If it's not this Jose Martinez, then no. And neither does Baseball Reference.
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Post by Saint on Jul 20, 2018 8:11:03 GMT -6
The only way we get rid of Gattis is if we have a guy that can rake in his place or have club control over for the next few years with equal value to Gattis now and a larger upside. So that could be Jose Martinez? He would be an upgrade over most DHs outside of Martinez. He wouldn't be cheap. Do you give up a lot of prospects for a DH? |
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Post by Saint on Jul 20, 2018 8:12:28 GMT -6
So that could be Jose Martinez? Nope. We could get that same production from White or Davis at no additional cost without losing prospects. Plus, when Tucker starts raking, we'll need a place for Kemp.
It's getting harder to find players who would actually improve this roster over the long haul. Of those commonly mentioned, only Realmuto at C and Iglasias in relief seem to be improvements to our roster. Not because others aren't good, but because what we have is good.We need more than good to improve our roster.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 20, 2018 8:18:17 GMT -6
Yes.....Everyone likes Gattis, but he is extremely streaky....I would not be against adding Martinez bat to the lineup....and make him primary DH, but he can play some 1b as well....he is more of DH than a 1b, so the Cards might be open to trading him....I think he is controllable through 2022....and he is already 29 (late bloomer)...so adding his defensive liability and age, he might not be that expensive, in terms of prospects. I don’t really trust Gattis so I’m open to any kind of upgrade at DH. The great irony of a Marwin fan questioning Gattis' performance. Lol. |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 20, 2018 8:31:40 GMT -6
So that could be Jose Martinez? He would be an upgrade over most DHs outside of Martinez. He wouldn't be cheap. Do you give up a lot of prospects for a DH? I see that Martinez has played 326 innings at the corner OF positions in his mlb career and committed 1 error in 59 TC. I have never seen the guy play. Do you think he could play LF well enough that the team could take advantage of his bat until a defensive replacement could be brought in late in the game? I was just thinking that if Tucker proves that he can’t cut it this year, maybe Martinez could be the starter in LF for the rest of this season and then move into the DH role next year. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 20, 2018 8:32:55 GMT -6
So that could be Jose Martinez? He would be an upgrade over most DHs outside of Martinez. He wouldn't be cheap. Do you give up a lot of prospects for a DH? I am just surprised the interim coach is benching him....they are in the NL, so maybe his defense warrants it....but come to the darkside, we have cookies and DH. Given his age and glove he may not be that expensive....and if not, then yes upgrade at DH. Gattis is a FA next year...a great guy to cheer, especially when he is hitting on a tear (June)..but he can be the worst in the team for months, and that is not what you should have at DH. Martinez added to this team will just give the astros more fire power. It is not like will still not get a lot of ABs, he will....Yuli will probably be playing multiple positions, to give rest to players |
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Post by Saint on Jul 20, 2018 8:40:44 GMT -6
He would be an upgrade over most DHs outside of Martinez. He wouldn't be cheap. Do you give up a lot of prospects for a DH? I see that Martinez has played 326 innings at the corner OF positions in his mlb career and committed 1 error in 59 TC. I have never seen the guy play. Do you think he could play LF well enough that the team could take advantage of his bat until a defensive replacement could be brought in late in the game? I was just thinking that if Tucker proves that he can’t cut it this year, maybe Martinez could be the starter in LF for the rest of this season and then move into the DH role next year. I haven't watched him play but his defensive metrics are poor. Is that a major deal in LF? Not really if he can be productive with the bat. I'm just not sure he would be worth the prospect pile. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 20, 2018 8:42:10 GMT -6
He would be an upgrade over most DHs outside of Martinez. He wouldn't be cheap. Do you give up a lot of prospects for a DH? I am just surprised the interim coach is benching him....they are in the NL, so maybe his defense warrants it....but come to the darkside, we have cookies and DH. Given his age and glove he may not be that expensive....and if not, then yes upgrade at DH. Gattis is a FA next year...a great guy to cheer, especially when he is hitting on a tear (June)..but he can be the worst in the team for months, and that is not what you should have at DH. Martinez added to this team will just give the astros more fire power. It is not like will still not get a lot of ABs, he will....Yuli will probably be playing multiple positions, to give rest to players So basically you think him over Abreu at this point. I wouldn't lose sleep over it, but I'd rather see us get somebody with more defensive versatility and then just sign a FA DH or use Gurriel at DH next year. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 20, 2018 9:52:18 GMT -6
I don’t really trust Gattis so I’m open to any kind of upgrade at DH. The great irony of a Marwin fan questioning Gattis' performance. Lol. Don’t trust him either. That’s what I get for being positive about him. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 20, 2018 10:52:41 GMT -6
The question is what do you want?
Realmuto & Conley is the ideal package I would run for
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Post by Saint on Jul 20, 2018 10:58:42 GMT -6
The question is what do you want? Realmuto & Conley is the ideal package I would run for The only problem with that is the insane cost of prospects it would take to get Realmuto when we have a solid catcher in Stassi, a decent prospect in Stubbs, and an emergency backup in Gattis. The only player that I feel would upgrade us for this year, and for the future seasons at the most reasonable cost is Merrifield. You can plug him in LF right now and get improvement for the season (and he can help out in the infield too), and next year he replaces Marwin (and is better than Marwin). P.S. Welcome to the board. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 20, 2018 11:03:46 GMT -6
Thinking long run Gattis, Marwin and Keuchal should all be gone next yr none to return. Save that cash.
McCann moves to Dh. If they pick his option up. You have Stassi alone.
So go for Realmuto aim for the window.
Bad part is you have to choose.
Keep rolling with Tucker or move him and wait for Alveraz. You could essentially hold on to both and say nothing.
Iglasias should be out of the question.. he has said he wants to stay and would not wanna go anywhere.
Britton if the price is wright.
But what about Familia and Lugo both from the Mets?
What about Eddie Rosario from the Twins?
Stroman from the Blue Jays?
Archer from the Rays?
We dont need SPs but we could move McCullers to the Pen. It's just thinking forward and know at the same time
Players like that that you can buy low on.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 20, 2018 11:06:12 GMT -6
The question is what do you want? Realmuto & Conley is the ideal package I would run for The only problem with that is the insane cost of prospects it would take to get Realmuto when we have a solid catcher in Stassi, a decent prospect in Stubbs, and an emergency backup in Gattis. The only player that I feel would upgrade us for this year, and for the future seasons at the most reasonable cost is Merrifield. You can plug him in LF right now and get improvement for the season (and he can help out in the infield too), and next year he replaces Marwin (and is better than Marwin). P.S. Welcome to the board. Actually I'm ok with Tucker or Alveraz going for Realmuto. CATCHER is a premium position. And would put this lineup over the top. You could use Stubbs as part of that trade to help the value. Only issue I would have is I would wanna add a contract player I.E. Will Harris as part of that deal going back. To ease the pain and open the roster spot |
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Post by Saint on Jul 20, 2018 11:06:29 GMT -6
There is no way they keep McCann, especially to DH. He'll be gone after this year. Don't forget about our AAA catcher, Garrett Stubbs. He's showing pretty decent potential.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 20, 2018 11:09:38 GMT -6
There is no way they keep McCann, especially to DH. He'll be gone after this year. Don't forget about our AAA catcher, Garrett Stubbs. He's showing pretty decent potential. I agree I wouldnt keep McCann. I couldnt trust his knees. But this is why I would go get Realmuto. He can learn alittle from McCann. It might help his pitch framing. Since he is not the best at it. Alittle can go far, if you catch my drift. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 20, 2018 11:15:51 GMT -6
Welcome, Voodoo/Skygodz! Glad to have you. How did you find us?
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 20, 2018 11:36:22 GMT -6
We have to let Nathan join fantasy football to make sure it's skygodz
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 20, 2018 11:43:46 GMT -6
Thinking long run Gattis, Marwin and Keuchal should all be gone next yr none to return. Save that cash. McCann moves to Dh. If they pick his option up. You have Stassi alone. So go for Realmuto aim for the window. Bad part is you have to choose. Keep rolling with Tucker or move him and wait for Alveraz. You could essentially hold on to both and say nothing. Iglasias should be out of the question.. he has said he wants to stay and would not wanna go anywhere. Britton if the price is wright. But what about Familia and Lugo both from the Mets? What about Eddie Rosario from the Twins? Stroman from the Blue Jays? Archer from the Rays? We dont need SPs but we could move McCullers to the Pen. It's just thinking forward and know at the same time Players like that that you can buy low on. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 20, 2018 12:08:41 GMT -6
Welcome, Voodoo/Skygodz! Glad to have you. How did you find us? I was invited |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 20, 2018 12:09:11 GMT -6
Absolutely certain that I'm wright*
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 20, 2018 12:09:50 GMT -6
Exactly players like that we can steal lol
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 20, 2018 12:10:09 GMT -6
Welcome, Voodoo/Skygodz! Glad to have you. How did you find us? I was invited Awesome. We were just talking about you a couple days ago. Who invited you? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 20, 2018 12:26:17 GMT -6
Doesn't matter was just saying I'm usually on clutch city boards.
Was invited threw the league board.
I would just say this grab Conley and Realmuto and be done with it. If you can add Britton for cheap do it.
I would sacrifice Tucker I. A deal for Realmuto. And see what bat I could grab on the trade market. But with the way alveraz is doing why not move him up and see from there?
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Post by sempersmom on Jul 20, 2018 12:43:02 GMT -6
Welcome, Voodoo/Skygodz! Glad to have you. How did you find us? I won't be as welcoming. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 20, 2018 12:53:11 GMT -6
Welcome, Voodoo/Skygodz! Glad to have you. How did you find us? I won't be as welcoming. 😂🤣😃😄😅 |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 20, 2018 13:11:13 GMT -6
With Seattle doing as well as they have, I’m surprised marinersbestfan hasn’t found his way to this board. He was the guy who showed up in August last year bragging about how the Astros were choking and the Mariners were going catch them. He vanished in September and we never heard from him again.
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Post by sempersmom on Jul 20, 2018 13:47:31 GMT -6
With Seattle doing as well as they have, I’m surprised marinersbestfan hasn’t found his way to this board. He was the guy who showed up in August last year bragging about how the Astros were choking and the Mariners were going catch them. He vanished in September and we never heard from him again. I hope we wouldn't let him join. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 20, 2018 14:22:34 GMT -6
Funny thing is no one even sees the fact that Realmuto is the clear way to go and to sacrifice one of Tucker or Alvarez is the clear choice. Sorry it's just a positive route.
The Astros have not had a clear offensive Catcher in like forever. Maybe Pudge lol.
So thinking on those lines he would clear the black hole we have there.
Sure Stassi has done a decent job, but he has kinda slide down alittle. And he would be a perfect back up .
This is clearly the direction that our ownership has done before.
Recent quotes from McCann leave doubt in his ability stating he will be back for the post season and 100%. But once the knees go the Catching gos..
But again 2 months of McCann teaching pitch framing would be awesome for Realmuto js.
Another note.
There is a way to sign Bregman Springer and Correra long term. But it just doesn't seem like the contracts are set correctly like in the NFL like front loaded or back loaded. Idk I guess they cant do that in the mlb....
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 20, 2018 14:34:02 GMT -6
I don't think we know for sure what the Marlins would want for Realmuto. Alvarez and someone Top 20 might not be enough
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