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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 25, 2018 17:42:23 GMT -6
I’d bring back Hank just for the CongerBot.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 25, 2018 17:43:41 GMT -6
The gentleman who suggested bringing Mauer here isn’t crazy, but the lack of power makes me want to pass. Gurriel brings enough to the table, in my opinion.
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 17:45:21 GMT -6
I care more about their overall OPS than their average. Willy T could .300 one season, but I certainly wouldn't call him a productive bat. So who would you rather have out of the 3 .....Ops....Slg....Obp....K...HR 1....839...490....349....41...06 2....755...439....316....91...14 3....884...529....355....61...13 Given just those numbers, #3. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 17:46:51 GMT -6
We don't NEED bullpen help. We don't NEED a catcher. They're areas we can upgrade, but big upgrades like most of you seem to want would require at least one of those three guys. That's fine if we really needed that level of help, but I think we can make smaller upgrades without giving up as much. It doesn't need to be Realmuto and a closer or bust. And if we do want to make a big splash, it needs to be somebody more proven to be worth the prospects, imo. If you can't see that we NEED both a catcher and bullpen help in order to repeat as WS champions, you have been watching a different team than most of us. Our catcher is a better hitter than our 1B and LFers and DH............ |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 17:48:10 GMT -6
So who would you rather have out of the 3 .....Ops....Slg....Obp....K...HR 1....839...490....349....41...06 2....755...439....316....91...14 3....884...529....355....61...13 Given just those numbers, #3. 3 is Realmuto 2 is Abreu 1 is Baur |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 17:48:57 GMT -6
In all fairness, I don't think the Astros adding a young bat is the answer. This lineup is loaded with young guys who have championship experience. What we are missing is that veteran presence (like Beltran) that is hungry to win a ring and knows the ins and outs of going through slumps. Perhaps even a veteran guy that has won a ring and knows how to get through the following season with a target on your back. Joe Mauer would come to mind as an awesome pickup. He's in the last year of his contract before hitting free agency, hasn't won a ring despite being in the league since 2004. He's been knocked out of the playoffs 4 times (3 against the Yankees with an 0-7 record). You know he wants to kick some Yankee butt. And he plays 1B right now. Of course the Twins most likely would want to keep him as he is a lifer, but an easy rental for a few months while not having to give up much in return could be ideal. He's always been a good guy and solid contact hitter. With runners on he's batting .348 this year. Scoring position he's batting .412. Scoring position with 2 outs .318. If not him then his pedigree is what this team needs. I like the idea, but I think we need a little more offensive output. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 17:49:46 GMT -6
Given just those numbers, #3. 3 is Realmuto 2 is Abreu 1 is Baur Your numbers are wrong for those guys. |
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 25, 2018 17:49:56 GMT -6
I say the Astros need to upgrade DH first and LF before 1st. I think if those two are upgraded then Guriel will increase his own OPS. Sometimes players need other players to help them be who they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 17:51:04 GMT -6
The gentleman who suggested bringing Mauer here isn’t crazy, but the lack of power makes me want to pass. Gurriel brings enough to the table, in my opinion. It wouldn't happen anyway I'm sure, but Mauer would be 1b/dh.
When he plays 1b, yuli would move to 3rd, Bregman to ss while Correa is still out.
When he plays dh, gattis would take a seat or pretend to play catcher.
When Correa comes back Gattis would be the odd man out and split time with Mauer at dh. Mauer would also spell when Yuli or Correa need a day off. Marwin would see the bench for the most part as well in this equation.
But again, Mauer was a suggestion. I want a vet guy like him (with his mentality) on this team who can still hit as well as coach.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 17:51:19 GMT -6
3 is Realmuto 2 is Abreu 1 is Baur Your numbers are wrong for those guys. Just pulled them off rotoworld |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 17:51:46 GMT -6
I say the Astros need to upgrade DH first and LF before 1st. I think if those two are upgraded then Guriel will increase his own OPS. Sometimes players need other players to help them be who they are. This. Get a legit upgrade power bat. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 17:52:52 GMT -6
Your numbers are wrong for those guys. Just pulled them off rotoworld Then you typed them wrong. Bour has different numbers. But what does that prove anyways? Using just one year's worth of numbers would have you saying Marwin is better than all of them. Would you trade top prospects for Marwin? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 17:53:20 GMT -6
The other Bauers
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 17:57:30 GMT -6
Just pulled them off rotoworld Then you typed them wrong. Bour has different numbers. But what does that prove anyways? Using just one year's worth of numbers would have you saying Marwin is better than all of them. Would you trade top prospects for Marwin? Your barking up the wrong tree with Marwin.. I'm not never will be a fan of him wished we had traded him to Boston last offseason when Cora left. I'm talking this season. Sure you can go for let's say Donaldson but what if he just doesn't do Jack like he hasn't done all year. I mean I would take a chance with Adam Jones before some of the others |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 18:08:14 GMT -6
Another guy is Moustakas. Cheap contract this year with only a $1 mill buyout for next year.
I never believed this guy as a contact hitter but he has power and does well in the clutch (runners on, etc)
He plays 3b, so if Houston thought Correa would be out for more time that is easily done. He also plays dh and 1b so I could see him taking over the dh role when needed.
We leave Yuli at 1b and move Bregman to ss while Correa is out. When Correa is back he plays dh and can spell out Correa, Yuli or Bregman when they need a day off.
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 25, 2018 18:09:04 GMT -6
I still say Jose Martinez his numbers have gone up while in AAA and continue to go up in ML. He is a terrible fielder but could play first in a pinch. Stickly a DH which his numbers are better on the Year than Gattis. More Consistent Bat which is something the Astros need terribly.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 18:10:05 GMT -6
Another guy is Moustakas. Cheap contract this year with only a $1 mill buyout for next year. I never believed this guy as a contact hitter but he has power and does well in the clutch (runners on, etc) He plays 3b, so if Houston thought Correa would be out for more time that is easily done. He also plays dh and 1b so I could see him taking over the dh role when needed. We leave Yuli at 1b and move Bregman to ss while Correa is out. When Correa is back he plays dh and can spell out Correa, Yuli or Bregman when they need a day off. I agree to an extent I think there will be an unbelievable amount that will be traded for him. The buy out clause is a big plus |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 25, 2018 18:18:40 GMT -6
In all fairness, I don't think the Astros adding a young bat is the answer. This lineup is loaded with young guys who have championship experience. What we are missing is that veteran presence (like Beltran) that is hungry to win a ring and knows the ins and outs of going through slumps. Perhaps even a veteran guy that has won a ring and knows how to get through the following season with a target on your back. Joe Mauer would come to mind as an awesome pickup. He's in the last year of his contract before hitting free agency, hasn't won a ring despite being in the league since 2004. He's been knocked out of the playoffs 4 times (3 against the Yankees with an 0-7 record). You know he wants to kick some Yankee butt. And he plays 1B right now. Of course the Twins most likely would want to keep him as he is a lifer, but an easy rental for a few months while not having to give up much in return could be ideal. He's always been a good guy and solid contact hitter. With runners on he's batting .348 this year. Scoring position he's batting .412. Scoring position with 2 outs .318. If not him then his pedigree is what this team needs. Mauer could fit right in as our DH |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 25, 2018 18:34:58 GMT -6
I still say Jose Martinez his numbers have gone up while in AAA and continue to go up in ML. He is a terrible fielder but could play first in a pinch. Stickly a DH which his numbers are better on the Year than Gattis. More Consistent Bat which is something the Astros need terribly. I like Jose Martinez...I eould not be against the Astros trading two 10-20 prospects for him. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 25, 2018 18:35:24 GMT -6
I still say Jose Martinez his numbers have gone up while in AAA and continue to go up in ML. He is a terrible fielder but could play first in a pinch. Stickly a DH which his numbers are better on the Year than Gattis. More Consistent Bat which is something the Astros need terribly. I like Jose Martinez...I eould not be against the Astros trading two 10-20 prospects for him. Like Conley too. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 25, 2018 18:37:18 GMT -6
Moose is another guy having a less than impressive season at the plate. I'm not interested in trading depth for that. I know there's hope guys can turn on a dime and
hit like their prime years as soon as they get traded here, but it's a tad unrealistic and unicorny
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 18:45:56 GMT -6
Moose is another guy having a less than impressive season at the plate. I'm not interested in trading depth for that. I know there's hope guys can turn on a dime and
hit like their prime years as soon as they get traded here, but it's a tad unrealistic and unicorny He's been in a slump over the past month but still has 20 HRs and hits well in the clutch.
I wouldn't overpay for him at all. Give up some low prospects and a guy or two that are blocked maybe.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 25, 2018 18:49:01 GMT -6
I say the Astros need to upgrade DH first and LF before 1st. I think if those two are upgraded then Guriel will increase his own OPS. Sometimes players need other players to help them be who they are. This. Get a legit upgrade power bat. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 25, 2018 19:29:02 GMT -6
I wouldn't classify Choo as a vocal leader in the clubhouse though. I want a guy that is respected, that players go to when they are struggling, that they want to do everything they can to beat out a play or get on base because grandpa is watching. Someone who the players could say "Let's win a ring for that guy" You want to bring back Hang Conger? I did some research on Conger the other day, just to see what became of him. He's playing in the Mexican League for the Pericos de Puebla. www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=885d94b0 He's still a .200 hitter there too. If somebody wants him, he'd be cheap... |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 19:44:43 GMT -6
This. Get a legit upgrade power bat. Agreed but I think we need that more than bullpen help. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 25, 2018 19:51:09 GMT -6
My problem with getting Adam Jones is I don't see how he doesn't take PT from Kemp. You could lay even $$ Kemp has the better 2nd half here on out
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 19:55:51 GMT -6
My problem with getting Adam Jones is I don't see how he doesn't take PT from Kemp. You could lay even $$ Kemp has the better 2nd half here on out I would think any deal involving Jones would send Kemp to the Orioles |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 25, 2018 19:56:42 GMT -6
My problem with getting Adam Jones is I don't see how he doesn't take PT from Kemp. You could lay even $$ Kemp has the better 2nd half here on out This must be something on Luhnow's mind too. In reality, I could see Kemp, White, and Davis having at least a 50/50 chance of out-hitting many of the possible trade targets out there: Abreu, Beltre, Moustakas... given the cost, might as well go with internal options. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 25, 2018 20:05:01 GMT -6
Sometimes the trade targets suck ass and this seems like one of those seasons
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 25, 2018 20:11:54 GMT -6
If you can't see that we NEED both a catcher and bullpen help in order to repeat as WS champions, you have been watching a different team than most of us. Our catcher is a better hitter than our 1B and LFers and DH............ Uh...what? |
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