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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 15:16:11 GMT -6
Getting a player of true value will require some hurt on our part. Otherwise it is an unrealistic trade.
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 15:18:04 GMT -6
Any trade involving Realmuto cost Tucker or Alveraz simple as that then u can run down 4 threw 30 of which ever prospects from there. You might be able to get value on Reed White and Davis. But a solid trade for Realmuto and u can pull two bullpen arms this team would be way better. As far as proven bats. If there batting under .250 at the moment or close to batting that I wouldnt call them proven. I'd call them middle of the pack. I care more about their overall OPS than their average. Willy T could .300 one season, but I certainly wouldn't call him a productive bat. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 25, 2018 15:19:28 GMT -6
What males you think they won't? I said trade those FOUR for Realmuto. We are giving a first baseman, outfielder, pitcher, and our best young catching prospect for Realmuto. Sounds reasonable to me. Coach... you get pretty riled up during July trade season don't you......   I get impatient waiting on Luhnow to get help we need while our playoff opponents are making improvement. Indians add Brad Hand.........Yankees add Britton.......Red Sox add Eovaldi.......A's add Familia.......Astros haven't added a thing. Luhnow knows what we need........go get it. Yes, he is going to have to trade some good prospects, but, you have to give something to get something. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 25, 2018 15:21:47 GMT -6
I actually think Brad Hand is great but a little overrated. I’ll get excited about him when he has as dominating a season as Britton did a couple years back.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 25, 2018 15:21:47 GMT -6
Any trade involving Realmuto cost Tucker or Alveraz simple as that  |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 15:23:43 GMT -6
Any trade involving Realmuto cost Tucker or Alveraz simple as that And he's worth that if I'm FLA. If we didn't have Stassi and a respectable prospect I'd make that deal in a heartbeat. I just don't think it's a clear enough upgrade for the cost. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 25, 2018 15:23:44 GMT -6
Getting a player of true value will require some hurt on our part. Otherwise it is an unrealistic trade. Exactly my point. We need a catcher and bullpen help. We have enough prospects to secure both wihtout mortgaging the farm.......we won't give Whitley, Tucker, or Alvarez, but, give any other group of prospects to get Realmuto and a guy like Iglesius. I wanted Britton but I wouldn't have given top prospects for a rental who may go on the DL at any time. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 25, 2018 15:26:27 GMT -6
I think the world just stopped And he's worth that if I'm FLA. If we didn't have Stassi and a respectable prospect I'd make that deal in a heartbeat. I just don't think it's a clear enough upgrade for the cost. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 15:26:39 GMT -6
I actually think Brad Hand is great but a little overrated. I’ll get excited about him when he has as dominating a season as Britton did a couple years back. Most relievers fluctuate a lot. That's why I loved the Smith and Rondon signings. Neither of them are AMAZING, but they're consistently good to great every year. Smith has never had a below average season, ever, and even after a bad start this year he has gotten his ERA under 4.00. Plus he has been dominant against several of the Yankees. Rondon's only bad season was as a rookie. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 15:33:19 GMT -6
Getting a player of true value will require some hurt on our part. Otherwise it is an unrealistic trade. Exactly my point. We need a catcher and bullpen help. We have enough prospects to secure both wihtout mortgaging the farm.......we won't give Whitley, Tucker, or Alvarez, but, give any other group of prospects to get Realmuto and a guy like Iglesius. I wanted Britton but I wouldn't have given top prospects for a rental who may go on the DL at any time. We don't NEED bullpen help. We don't NEED a catcher. They're areas we can upgrade, but big upgrades like most of you seem to want would require at least one of those three guys. That's fine if we really needed that level of help, but I think we can make smaller upgrades without giving up as much. It doesn't need to be Realmuto and a closer or bust. And if we do want to make a big splash, it needs to be somebody more proven to be worth the prospects, imo. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 15:48:46 GMT -6
Any trade involving Realmuto cost Tucker or Alveraz simple as that then u can run down 4 threw 30 of which ever prospects from there. You might be able to get value on Reed White and Davis. But a solid trade for Realmuto and u can pull two bullpen arms this team would be way better. As far as proven bats. If there batting under .250 at the moment or close to batting that I wouldnt call them proven. I'd call them middle of the pack. I care more about their overall OPS than their average. Willy T could .300 one season, but I certainly wouldn't call him a productive bat. So who would you rather have out of the 3 .....Ops....Slg....Obp....K...HR 1....839...490....349....41...06 2....755...439....316....91...14 3....884...529....355....61...13 |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 15:51:31 GMT -6
And he's worth that if I'm FLA. If we didn't have Stassi and a respectable prospect I'd make that deal in a heartbeat. I just don't think it's a clear enough upgrade for the cost. I just told you it would cost Tucker or Alveraz then 2 or 3 from your 4 threw 15 Followed by maybe some of your mlb blocked guys. That's just to get the conversation started.... if you dont think they need a Bullpen arm or Catcher or Bat then your seriously delusional about this team |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 15:55:40 GMT -6
Matt Andriese headed to the Diamondbacks
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 15:59:57 GMT -6
of course .. but skygodz' schtick is painless trade deals in favor of the Astros. I'm stunned he'd admit to what it'd realistically take to land Realmuto I just told you it would cost Tucker or Alveraz then 2 or 3 from your 4 threw 15 Followed by maybe some of your mlb blocked guys. That's just to get the conversation started.... if you dont think they need a Bullpen arm or Catcher or Bat then your seriously delusional about this team skygodz? is that you? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 25, 2018 16:00:31 GMT -6
Exactly my point. We need a catcher and bullpen help. We have enough prospects to secure both wihtout mortgaging the farm.......we won't give Whitley, Tucker, or Alvarez, but, give any other group of prospects to get Realmuto and a guy like Iglesius. I wanted Britton but I wouldn't have given top prospects for a rental who may go on the DL at any time. We don't NEED bullpen help. We don't NEED a catcher. They're areas we can upgrade, but big upgrades like most of you seem to want would require at least one of those three guys. That's fine if we really needed that level of help, but I think we can make smaller upgrades without giving up as much. It doesn't need to be Realmuto and a closer or bust. And if we do want to make a big splash, it needs to be somebody more proven to be worth the prospects, imo. If you can't see that we NEED both a catcher and bullpen help in order to repeat as WS champions, you have been watching a different team than most of us. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 25, 2018 16:07:42 GMT -6
of course .. but skygodz' schtick is painless trade deals in favor of the Astros. I'm stunned he'd admit to what it'd realistically take to land Realmuto I just told you it would cost Tucker or Alveraz then 2 or 3 from your 4 threw 15 Followed by maybe some of your mlb blocked guys. That's just to get the conversation started.... if you dont think they need a Bullpen arm or Catcher or Bat then your seriously delusional about this team
wouldn't cost Tucker or Alvarez, plus 2 of our next ranked-10 AND more than one blocked guy at AAA .. just to get the conversation started |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 25, 2018 16:12:09 GMT -6
I just told you it would cost Tucker or Alveraz then 2 or 3 from your 4 threw 15 Followed by maybe some of your mlb blocked guys. That's just to get the conversation started.... if you dont think they need a Bullpen arm or Catcher or Bat then your seriously delusional about this team
wouldn't cost Tucker or Alvarez, plus 2 of our next ranked-10 AND more than one blocked guy at AAA .. just to get the conversation startedIf that is the case, I'd say adios to Alvarez. |
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 25, 2018 16:12:11 GMT -6
I more worried about a consistent bat. Usually, we could count on Altuve and someone else to be that. But this year Altuve hasn't had the games he has had last couple years. The DH has been less feast and more famine. I prefer one that has a good OPS and consistent at the plate meaning no 2-24 stuff. We have had way too many on this team this year batting that way. Even Springer has been more famine than feast.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 25, 2018 16:12:25 GMT -6
I just told you it would cost Tucker or Alveraz then 2 or 3 from your 4 threw 15 Followed by maybe some of your mlb blocked guys. That's just to get the conversation started.... if you dont think they need a Bullpen arm or Catcher or Bat then your seriously delusional about this team skygodz? is that you? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 16:15:02 GMT -6
Yup. abregmanfan found and invited him. Isn't it awesome? I found it funny how the conversation of Realmuto came back up and there he was |
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 25, 2018 16:16:11 GMT -6
Yup. abregmanfan found and invited him. Isn't it awesome? Every board needs its outlandish trade Expert. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 16:25:40 GMT -6
In all fairness, I don't think the Astros adding a young bat is the answer. This lineup is loaded with young guys who have championship experience. What we are missing is that veteran presence (like Beltran) that is hungry to win a ring and knows the ins and outs of going through slumps. Perhaps even a veteran guy that has won a ring and knows how to get through the following season with a target on your back.
Joe Mauer would come to mind as an awesome pickup. He's in the last year of his contract before hitting free agency, hasn't won a ring despite being in the league since 2004. He's been knocked out of the playoffs 4 times (3 against the Yankees with an 0-7 record). You know he wants to kick some Yankee butt. And he plays 1B right now.
Of course the Twins most likely would want to keep him as he is a lifer, but an easy rental for a few months while not having to give up much in return could be ideal.
He's always been a good guy and solid contact hitter. With runners on he's batting .348 this year. Scoring position he's batting .412. Scoring position with 2 outs .318. If not him then his pedigree is what this team needs.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 16:26:30 GMT -6
J.a.happ close to being traded
Speaking of Jay's
Sources indicate #Jays close to a deal with Seunghwan Oh. Could happen tonight.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 25, 2018 16:28:44 GMT -6
J.a.happ close to being traded Speaking of Jay's Sources indicate #Jays close to a deal with Seunghwan Oh. Could happen tonight. go the Yankees!!! and hopefully they give up some good prospects....watch it be the Brewers. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 25, 2018 16:32:28 GMT -6
In all fairness, I don't think the Astros adding a young bat is the answer. This lineup is loaded with young guys who have championship experience. What we are missing is that veteran presence (like Beltran) that is hungry to win a ring and knows the ins and outs of going through slumps.
owed a ton of money that we can negotiate in addition to the players we'd make available |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 16:41:32 GMT -6
In all fairness, I don't think the Astros adding a young bat is the answer. This lineup is loaded with young guys who have championship experience. What we are missing is that veteran presence (like Beltran) that is hungry to win a ring and knows the ins and outs of going through slumps.
owed a ton of money that we can negotiate in addition to the players we'd make availableI wouldn't classify Choo as a vocal leader in the clubhouse though. I want a guy that is respected, that players go to when they are struggling, that they want to do everything they can to beat out a play or get on base because grandpa is watching. Someone who the players could say "Let's win a ring for that guy" |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 16:48:58 GMT -6
What about
Yangervis Solarte?
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 25, 2018 16:51:04 GMT -6
I agree. Unfortunately the only guy I can think of that fits that description, and is having a great season at the plate is Shin-Soo Choo. And like Verlander last year, he's
owed a ton of money that we can negotiate in addition to the players we'd make available I wouldn't classify Choo as a vocal leader in the clubhouse though. I want a guy that is respected, that players go to when they are struggling, that they want to do everything they can to beat out a play or get on base because grandpa is watching. Someone who the players could say "Let's win a ring for that guy" You want to bring back Hang Conger? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 17:00:48 GMT -6
I wouldn't classify Choo as a vocal leader in the clubhouse though. I want a guy that is respected, that players go to when they are struggling, that they want to do everything they can to beat out a play or get on base because grandpa is watching. Someone who the players could say "Let's win a ring for that guy" You want to bring back Hang Conger?  |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 17:38:08 GMT -6
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I get impatient waiting on Luhnow to get help we need while our playoff opponents are making improvement. Indians add Brad Hand.........Yankees add Britton.......Red Sox add Eovaldi.......A's add Familia.......Astros haven't added a thing. Luhnow knows what we need........go get it. Yes, he is going to have to trade some good prospects, but, you have to give something to get something.
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