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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 13:04:37 GMT -6
Your boy Doolittle looks like he's out with a foot fracture Man, they’d have to be sellers now. Sounds like a chance to get Herrera |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 13:16:07 GMT -6
Good lord some dude on the radio suggested moving Correa to get Harper. Rightfully so, the host laughed him off the air.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 27, 2018 13:17:22 GMT -6
Good lord some dude on the radio suggested moving Correa to get Harper. Rightfully so, the host laughed him off the air. Was his name Nathan? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 13:17:57 GMT -6
Good lord some dude on the radio suggested moving Correa to get Harper. Rightfully so, the host laughed him off the air. Was his name Nathan? LMBO you dumb Purpura hater! |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 13:20:49 GMT -6
LMBO you dumb Purpura hater! |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 27, 2018 13:21:12 GMT -6
I wanna see these scenarios Lunhow has up his sleave. I wanna see what he thinks is a upgrade and what surprise he has for Houston fans everywhere
Looking at Twins info on Roster Resource, it appears that they’re first baseman, second baseman, third baseman, two starters and a relief pitcher will become free agents at the end of this season. Looking at their Top 30 Prospects, it seems that third base and relief pitchers is where they don’t have a good near ML ready prospect in the minors who can possibly step in next season and replace one of those free agents should they all decide to walk, rather than re-sign with Minnesota. If you could get Pressly for JD Davis and a pitching prospect or two who are outside our Top 10 prospects, would you move Davis to get Pressly? |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 13:35:04 GMT -6
Ryan Pressly looks like Luhnow/Strom's wet dream #spinrate
would you move Davis to get Presley?
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 13:39:42 GMT -6
I'm not sure it would be noticeable other than with less SB attempts. maldonado does a great job of handling pitchers and framing pitches so I expect that to be an improvement over Stassi. Keep in mind that Stassi would still be the backup if not for the McCann injury. Up until this year, Stassi has never been able to stick on a major league roster...Maldonado has much more major league experience. A. Maldonado's framing metrics aren't good this year. B. Stassi didn't stick because of injuries. Not performance. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 13:41:59 GMT -6
LMBO you dumb Purpura hater! NEVA LOST |
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 13:53:25 GMT -6
Expectations for Maldonado per mlbtraderummors.com:
"With the move, Houston has bolstered its catching unit as it awaits the return of veteran Brian McCann from the DL. Maldonado will displace Tim Federowicz, who has been designated for assignment, per Jake Kaplan of The Athletic (via Twitter). The Astros’ new catcher will pair with the emergent Max Stassi to split up the work behind the dish for at least the next several weeks.
Maldonado is earning $3.9MM this year before qualifying for free agency at season’s end. He originally came to Los Angeles in the deal that sent fellow receiver Jett Bandy to the Brewers before the 2017 season.
Over the past two years, Maldonado has performed at the plate much as he did in his prior MLB action. He’s a weak on-base threat who only partially makes up for that with some pop. For his career, Maldonado owns a .219/.291/.347 batting line — good for a 72 OPS+ that he has matched almost exactly in both 2017 and 2018.
Clearly, the appeal lies more in Maldonado’s work with his gear on. The 31-year-old is a well-regarded all-around performer behind the dish. In particular, though he has not earned prime grades for his framing in 2018, Maldonado has in years past rated as one of the sport’s best at winning strikes for his pitchers."
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 14:10:08 GMT -6
Good lord some dude on the radio suggested moving Correa to get Harper. Rightfully so, the host laughed him off the air. People with that kind of mental problem should refrain from making suggestions.  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 14:11:21 GMT -6
LMBO you dumb Purpura hater! Purpura always reminded me of the Pillsbury Doughboy. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 27, 2018 14:18:11 GMT -6
Good lord some dude on the radio suggested moving Correa to get Harper. Rightfully so, the host laughed him off the air. Was his name Nathan? Lmao, sidekick |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 14:21:32 GMT -6
Purpura would win Nathan Hot Dog contest NEVA LOST  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 14:24:07 GMT -6
maldonado does a great job of handling pitchers and framing pitches so I expect that to be an improvement over Stassi. Keep in mind that Stassi would still be the backup if not for the McCann injury. Up until this year, Stassi has never been able to stick on a major league roster...Maldonado has much more major league experience. A. Maldonado's framing metrics aren't good this year. B. Stassi didn't stick because of injuries. Not performance. "framing metrics"...... Not sure exactly what you meant by B. No doubt some stat is behind it, too. No offense,but, I have decided you would be lost in a baseball discussion if you could not refer to stats, analytics, sabermetrics, etc. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 14:30:55 GMT -6
The little side interviews in that movie added to the greatness. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 15:08:51 GMT -6
A. Maldonado's framing metrics aren't good this year. B. Stassi didn't stick because of injuries. Not performance. "framing metrics"...... Not sure exactly what you meant by B. No doubt some stat is behind it, too. No offense,but, I have decided you would be lost in a baseball discussion if you could not refer to stats, analytics, sabermetrics, etc. Framing metrics are becoming a pretty big deal with catchers. It shows how they help or hinder the pitching staff. And if you don't remember Stassi's injuries (concussion was one) then I don't know what to tell you. You can see that he had pretty good to great small samples at the big league level before this year with only one season in which he did not show good offensive production (2016 in 9 games). We had a high draft pick in Castro the first few years of his career and then we've had McCann so he never really got a chance to be a starter with the injuries mixed in. He's certainly never been a highly touted prospect, but he gives you exactly what you're seeing now. Solid to good offensive numbers for a catcher (very good against lefties) and adequate defense. A platoon of him and Stubbs would likely be pretty damn effective at a very cheap cost. As for a baseball discussion without stats, you would be wrong. I'm certainly just a fan like everybody else here, but I played from ages 5-19 and was a pretty good high school player until two shoulder surgeries had me change my career goals when I went to college. I love baseball history and have read an unknown amount of biographies of various historical players (Ruth and Williams were the most interesting). I was obsessed with baseball cards as a kid and enjoyed reading the stats, so that has grown as the stats developed further and improved. It only makes logical sense to me to use proven facts when comparing players and evaluating potential value in discussions such as this. I wouldn't use stats if we were just discussing baseball memories or hypothetical players, etc. Too many older fans are afraid of the new numbers (or don't care) because many never bothered to learn them and/or are afraid of change. Which is fine. But don't let the fact that you don't know something about the newer metrics mean that those that do know them, don't know anything besides numbers. It would be fun to have a baseball trivia contest one day when people from the board. P.S. Admittedly, I don't know enough about some of the rules even though my father was an umpire at various levels for several years. I should take the time to read more about them but it's dull. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 27, 2018 15:53:27 GMT -6
Twins in sell mode just sold Eduardo to the Diamondbacks
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 27, 2018 15:53:52 GMT -6
I wonder if Pressly and Rosario could be had???
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 15:59:00 GMT -6
"framing metrics"...... Not sure exactly what you meant by B. No doubt some stat is behind it, too. No offense,but, I have decided you would be lost in a baseball discussion if you could not refer to stats, analytics, sabermetrics, etc. Framing metrics are becoming a pretty big deal with catchers. It shows how they help or hinder the pitching staff. And if you don't remember Stassi's injuries (concussion was one) then I don't know what to tell you. You can see that he had pretty good to great small samples at the big league level before this year with only one season in which he did not show good offensive production (2016 in 9 games). We had a high draft pick in Castro the first few years of his career and then we've had McCann so he never really got a chance to be a starter with the injuries mixed in. He's certainly never been a highly touted prospect, but he gives you exactly what you're seeing now. Solid to good offensive numbers for a catcher (very good against lefties) and adequate defense. A platoon of him and Stubbs would likely be pretty damn effective at a very cheap cost. As for a baseball discussion without stats, you would be wrong. I'm certainly just a fan like everybody else here, but I played from ages 5-19 and was a pretty good high school player until two shoulder surgeries had me change my career goals when I went to college. I love baseball history and have read an unknown amount of biographies of various historical players (Ruth and Williams were the most interesting). I was obsessed with baseball cards as a kid and enjoyed reading the stats, so that has grown as the stats developed further and improved. It only makes logical sense to me to use proven facts when comparing players and evaluating potential value in discussions such as this. I wouldn't use stats if we were just discussing baseball memories or hypothetical players, etc. Too many older fans are afraid of the new numbers (or don't care) because many never bothered to learn them and/or are afraid of change. Which is fine. But don't let the fact that you don't know something about the newer metrics mean that those that do know them, don't know anything besides numbers. It would be fun to have a baseball trivia contest one day when people from the board. P.S. Admittedly, I don't know enough about some of the rules even though my father was an umpire at various levels for several years. I should take the time to read more about them but it's dull. I have no problem with the use of analytics. And, I readily admit that I have not made the effort to dig into them and learn the meanings of all of these stats that are used today that many fans who have been around as long as I have never use.. All I ever paid attention to was batting average, runs batted in, BB as opposed to number of K's, hitting with RISP, OBP, etc. I have never tried to study the importance of OPS, WAR, and WRC+. But, from what little I have looked at, I would pay closer attention to WRC+ than to OPS and WAR. I think I should probably learn more about these things. I have generally relied on what I see without trying to analyze every detail. But in compparing players production like that of Stassi and Gurriel, I would rather have Gurriel at the plate when we need runs than I had Stassi. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 15:59:59 GMT -6
I wonder if Pressly and Rosario could be had??? Why don't you see if you can get the Angels to rent us Mike Trout for the rest of the season? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 27, 2018 16:01:15 GMT -6
Phils get Asdrubal Cabrera from Mets
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 27, 2018 16:04:25 GMT -6
Framing metrics are becoming a pretty big deal with catchers. It shows how they help or hinder the pitching staff. And if you don't remember Stassi's injuries (concussion was one) then I don't know what to tell you. You can see that he had pretty good to great small samples at the big league level before this year with only one season in which he did not show good offensive production (2016 in 9 games). We had a high draft pick in Castro the first few years of his career and then we've had McCann so he never really got a chance to be a starter with the injuries mixed in. He's certainly never been a highly touted prospect, but he gives you exactly what you're seeing now. Solid to good offensive numbers for a catcher (very good against lefties) and adequate defense. A platoon of him and Stubbs would likely be pretty damn effective at a very cheap cost. As for a baseball discussion without stats, you would be wrong. I'm certainly just a fan like everybody else here, but I played from ages 5-19 and was a pretty good high school player until two shoulder surgeries had me change my career goals when I went to college. I love baseball history and have read an unknown amount of biographies of various historical players (Ruth and Williams were the most interesting). I was obsessed with baseball cards as a kid and enjoyed reading the stats, so that has grown as the stats developed further and improved. It only makes logical sense to me to use proven facts when comparing players and evaluating potential value in discussions such as this. I wouldn't use stats if we were just discussing baseball memories or hypothetical players, etc. Too many older fans are afraid of the new numbers (or don't care) because many never bothered to learn them and/or are afraid of change. Which is fine. But don't let the fact that you don't know something about the newer metrics mean that those that do know them, don't know anything besides numbers. It would be fun to have a baseball trivia contest one day when people from the board. P.S. Admittedly, I don't know enough about some of the rules even though my father was an umpire at various levels for several years. I should take the time to read more about them but it's dull. I have no problem with the use of analytics. And, I readily admit that I have not made the effort to dig into them and learn the meanings of all of these stats that are used today that many fans who have been around as long as I have never use.. All I ever paid attention to was batting average, runs batted in, BB as opposed to number of K's, hitting with RISP, OBP, etc. I have never tried to study the importance of OPS, WAR, and WRC+. But, from what little I have looked at, I would pay closer attention to WRC+ than to OPS and WAR. I think I should probably learn more about these things. I have generally relied on what I see without trying to analyze every detail. But in compparing players production like that of Stassi and Gurriel, I would rather have Gurriel at the plate when we need runs than I had Stassi. The biggest problem with metrics is that fans of the metrics believe the metrics rule all. If that guys BAPIPPITYDO says he’s a great player, by god, he’s a great player, and you pointing out his .100 BA and 50% SO rate just proves you’re old and hate new stats. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 16:07:32 GMT -6
I have no problem with the use of analytics. And, I readily admit that I have not made the effort to dig into them and learn the meanings of all of these stats that are used today that many fans who have been around as long as I have never use.. All I ever paid attention to was batting average, runs batted in, BB as opposed to number of K's, hitting with RISP, OBP, etc. I have never tried to study the importance of OPS, WAR, and WRC+. But, from what little I have looked at, I would pay closer attention to WRC+ than to OPS and WAR. I think I should probably learn more about these things. I have generally relied on what I see without trying to analyze every detail. But in compparing players production like that of Stassi and Gurriel, I would rather have Gurriel at the plate when we need runs than I had Stassi. The biggest problem with metrics is that fans of the metrics believe the metrics rule all. If that guys BAPIPPITYDO says he’s a great player, by god, he’s a great player, and you pointing out his .100 BA and 50% SO rate just proves you’re old and hate new stats. You just posted the main reason why I have never taken the time to learn all of this metric crap. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 16:15:16 GMT -6
In case people haven't been keeping up today.........Luhnow still hasn't done a damn thing to strengthen this bullpen. I don't always agree with those on mlb network but I also wonder why no team......especially the Astros....are not going after Iglesius from the Reds. He is under club control until the end of 2020 and is owed $5 million per year. WHIP 0.98, 19 saves, ERA is 2.20.
My impatience is getting worse......I smell the same thing Luhnow did last year..........sit on his ass and neglect the bullpen while our competition is making improvements.
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 27, 2018 16:19:37 GMT -6
Why is it, it seems all the other teams in Contention have made deals and Luhnow hasn't made any. In fact, 95% of the time the Astros aren't even mentioned except on some rare occasions they are.
Now that anybody really worth anything has been traded, Will Luhnow have that one magic trade like Verlander last year. Those really don't happen that often.
This team will not Win the WS as it is constructed right now with two or three players who were here last year. These two or three, in my Opinion, it is three but I will get blasted, have regressed to the point they would not be starting on any team in contention. You couldn't get a trade for any of them. Now I am one that really doesn't look at stats as much as when watching you can see if a Player is Producing or if they are slepping.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 27, 2018 16:20:45 GMT -6
In case people haven't been keeping up today.........Luhnow still hasn't done a damn thing to strengthen this bullpen. I don't always agree with those on mlb network but I also wonder why no team......especially the Astros....are not going after Iglesius from the Reds. He is under club control until the end of 2020 and is owed $5 million per year. WHIP 0.98, 19 saves, ERA is 2.20. My impatience is getting worse......I smell the same thing Luhnow did last year..........sit on his ass and neglect the bullpen while our competition is making improvements. I would be very happy with Pressly and Conley....and veteran bat....Luhnow has the resources to do so, if the asking price is not too high. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 16:39:06 GMT -6
Framing metrics are becoming a pretty big deal with catchers. It shows how they help or hinder the pitching staff. And if you don't remember Stassi's injuries (concussion was one) then I don't know what to tell you. You can see that he had pretty good to great small samples at the big league level before this year with only one season in which he did not show good offensive production (2016 in 9 games). We had a high draft pick in Castro the first few years of his career and then we've had McCann so he never really got a chance to be a starter with the injuries mixed in. He's certainly never been a highly touted prospect, but he gives you exactly what you're seeing now. Solid to good offensive numbers for a catcher (very good against lefties) and adequate defense. A platoon of him and Stubbs would likely be pretty damn effective at a very cheap cost. As for a baseball discussion without stats, you would be wrong. I'm certainly just a fan like everybody else here, but I played from ages 5-19 and was a pretty good high school player until two shoulder surgeries had me change my career goals when I went to college. I love baseball history and have read an unknown amount of biographies of various historical players (Ruth and Williams were the most interesting). I was obsessed with baseball cards as a kid and enjoyed reading the stats, so that has grown as the stats developed further and improved. It only makes logical sense to me to use proven facts when comparing players and evaluating potential value in discussions such as this. I wouldn't use stats if we were just discussing baseball memories or hypothetical players, etc. Too many older fans are afraid of the new numbers (or don't care) because many never bothered to learn them and/or are afraid of change. Which is fine. But don't let the fact that you don't know something about the newer metrics mean that those that do know them, don't know anything besides numbers. It would be fun to have a baseball trivia contest one day when people from the board. P.S. Admittedly, I don't know enough about some of the rules even though my father was an umpire at various levels for several years. I should take the time to read more about them but it's dull. I have no problem with the use of analytics. And, I readily admit that I have not made the effort to dig into them and learn the meanings of all of these stats that are used today that many fans who have been around as long as I have never use.. All I ever paid attention to was batting average, runs batted in, BB as opposed to number of K's, hitting with RISP, OBP, etc. I have never tried to study the importance of OPS, WAR, and WRC+. But, from what little I have looked at, I would pay closer attention to WRC+ than to OPS and WAR. I think I should probably learn more about these things. I have generally relied on what I see without trying to analyze every detail. But in compparing players production like that of Stassi and Gurriel, I would rather have Gurriel at the plate when we need runs than I had Stassi. All of the different stats tell a different part or the story, but in the end if one is high most of the others are too. Just different ways to compare. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 16:40:16 GMT -6
I have no problem with the use of analytics. And, I readily admit that I have not made the effort to dig into them and learn the meanings of all of these stats that are used today that many fans who have been around as long as I have never use.. All I ever paid attention to was batting average, runs batted in, BB as opposed to number of K's, hitting with RISP, OBP, etc. I have never tried to study the importance of OPS, WAR, and WRC+. But, from what little I have looked at, I would pay closer attention to WRC+ than to OPS and WAR. I think I should probably learn more about these things. I have generally relied on what I see without trying to analyze every detail. But in compparing players production like that of Stassi and Gurriel, I would rather have Gurriel at the plate when we need runs than I had Stassi. The biggest problem with metrics is that fans of the metrics believe the metrics rule all. If that guys BAPIPPITYDO says he’s a great player, by god, he’s a great player, and you pointing out his .100 BA and 50% SO rate just proves you’re old and hate new stats. Not at all. But most of the people using older stats ONLY use the older stats and think the new ones are magic and not to be believed or trusted. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 16:41:22 GMT -6
There's still time, and none of these deals other than Machado I would consider team-changing moves.
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