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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 27, 2018 16:56:20 GMT -6
The biggest problem with metrics is that fans of the metrics believe the metrics rule all. If that guys BAPIPPITYDO says he’s a great player, by god, he’s a great player, and you pointing out his .100 BA and 50% SO rate just proves you’re old and hate new stats. Not at all. But most of the people using older stats ONLY use the older stats and think the new ones are magic and not to be believed or trusted. It’s absolutely true. You just don’t recognize it, because you do it. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 27, 2018 17:00:25 GMT -6
Jeff Luhnow, re: Trade Deadline
Says the Astros are having conversations with 6-7 teams "about players that we like."
"There's nothing that I would say is going to happen today."
"We're hopeful that they'll be 1 or 2 moves that we can still really consider & potentially make."
Source says waiting pattern so it's looking like Nationals could be one of those teams
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 27, 2018 18:15:15 GMT -6
Sure would like herrera.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 18:56:40 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 19:12:23 GMT -6
Jeff Luhnow, re: Trade Deadline Says the Astros are having conversations with 6-7 teams "about players that we like." "There's nothing that I would say is going to happen today." "We're hopeful that they'll be 1 or 2 moves that we can still really consider & potentially make." Source says waiting pattern so it's looking like Nationals could be one of those teams They need to get on it. Altuve and Correa being injured at the same time should be motivation to get something done because the offense currently has that pre-2015 feel. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 27, 2018 19:29:52 GMT -6
Idk but from what it sounds like is the teams they are waiting on are fringe play off teams who might throw in the towel sooner rather then later
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 19:52:44 GMT -6
Not at all. But most of the people using older stats ONLY use the older stats and think the new ones are magic and not to be believed or trusted. It’s absolutely true. You just don’t recognize it, because you do it. I don't recall posting things like "AVG Bruh!!!" |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 20:08:25 GMT -6
This discussion is bordering on the retarded. No statistic should be discounted or disregarded. As long as you understand what each total or index represents and its proper
context, it's silly to say to another fan "what I use or look at is better than yours." That argument doesn't even make sense when it comes to the complexity of evaluating
ballplayers
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 20:26:46 GMT -6
This discussion is bordering on the retarded. No statistic should be discounted or disregarded. As long as you understand what each total or index represents and its proper
context, it's silly to say to another fan "what I use or look at is better than yours." That argument doesn't even make sense when it comes to the complexity of evaluating
ballplayers lt is mostly the stat nerds who don't recognize that. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 21:00:14 GMT -6
This discussion is bordering on the retarded. No statistic should be discounted or disregarded. As long as you understand what each total or index represents and its proper
context, it's silly to say to another fan "what I use or look at is better than yours." That argument doesn't even make sense when it comes to the complexity of evaluating
ballplayers lt is mostly the stat nerds who don't recognize that. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 27, 2018 21:15:55 GMT -6
10:00pm: Prospects Jorge Alcala and Gilberto Celestino are going to Minnesota in the deal, per Jon Heyman of Fancred (via Twitter).
9:54pm: The Astros have struck a deal to acquire reliever Ryan Pressly from the Twins, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter). Further details are not known at this time. Pressly appears to be bidding adieu to his now-former teammates, Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer-Press tweets, so it seems that this deal is on the cusp of being formally announced.
Pressly, 29, has taken a big step forward this year after showing solid peripherals — but generating only a 4.70 ERA — in his 61 1/3 innings last year. Through 47 2/3 innings in the present campaign, he’s sporting a 3.40 ERA with an eye-opening 13.0 K/9 against 3.6 BB/9.
Better still, Pressly is earning just $1.6MM this year with another season of arbitration eligibility left to go.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 27, 2018 21:16:35 GMT -6
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 27, 2018 21:21:35 GMT -6
10:00pm: Prospects Jorge Alcala and Gilberto Celestino are going to Minnesota in the deal, per Jon Heyman of Fancred (via Twitter). 9:54pm: The Astros have struck a deal to acquire reliever Ryan Pressly from the Twins, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter). Further details are not known at this time. Pressly appears to be bidding adieu to his now-former teammates, Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer-Press tweets, so it seems that this deal is on the cusp of being formally announced. Pressly, 29, has taken a big step forward this year after showing solid peripherals — but generating only a 4.70 ERA — in his 61 1/3 innings last year. Through 47 2/3 innings in the present campaign, he’s sporting a 3.40 ERA with an eye-opening 13.0 K/9 against 3.6 BB/9. Better still, Pressly is earning just $1.6MM this year with another season of arbitration eligibility left to go. So who goes ByeBye. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 27, 2018 21:31:10 GMT -6
Idk but way it sounds they ain't done by long shot.
I wanna see this bat there looking at
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 27, 2018 21:31:30 GMT -6
10:00pm: Prospects Jorge Alcala and Gilberto Celestino are going to Minnesota in the deal, per Jon Heyman of Fancred (via Twitter). 9:54pm: The Astros have struck a deal to acquire reliever Ryan Pressly from the Twins, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter). Further details are not known at this time. Pressly appears to be bidding adieu to his now-former teammates, Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer-Press tweets, so it seems that this deal is on the cusp of being formally announced. Pressly, 29, has taken a big step forward this year after showing solid peripherals — but generating only a 4.70 ERA — in his 61 1/3 innings last year. Through 47 2/3 innings in the present campaign, he’s sporting a 3.40 ERA with an eye-opening 13.0 K/9 against 3.6 BB/9. Better still, Pressly is earning just $1.6MM this year with another season of arbitration eligibility left to go. So who goes ByeBye. Should be Harris. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 27, 2018 21:32:30 GMT -6
I like the write-up on Pressly...now get Conley and a legit bat.
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 27, 2018 21:34:11 GMT -6
I thinking Devo is right there with him. Tough Call right now. Both have been terrible for quite a while now. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 21:45:28 GMT -6
lt is mostly the stat nerds who don't recognize that. I see you still have difficulty with your reading.....I am not a stat nerd. I don't need a bunch of numbers to tell me what to think. I still discount OPS as the sole authority on a player's productivity |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 21:46:34 GMT -6
I thinking Devo is right there with him. Tough Call right now. Both have been terrible for quite a while now. go get Herrera and get rid of both Harris and Devenski. I am tired of watching him strut around while throwing BP. He sucked tonight. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 21:47:43 GMT -6
I thinking Devo is right there with him. Tough Call right now. Both have been terrible for quite a while now. go get Herrera and get rid of both Harris and Devenski. I am tired of watching him strut around while throwing BP. He sucked tonight. The falling over toward first base with each pitch is worse to watch. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 22:04:20 GMT -6
The Astros have struck a deal to acquire reliever Ryan Pressly from the Twins, |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 22:07:51 GMT -6
I don't need a bunch of numbers to tell me what to think. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 22:17:57 GMT -6
I don't need a bunch of numbers to tell me what to think. I said I would pay closer attention and learn about it. I didn't say I would let it dictate my opinion of certain players. It can be used to form opinions but I am never going to solely rely on things like that. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 22:20:15 GMT -6
I don't need a bunch of numbers to tell me what to think. Bear, you’re perpetuating a debate we all agreed was retarded. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 22:22:25 GMT -6
Then why did you say earlier you'd pay closer attention to wRC+ and you should probably learn more about it .. if you don't need it Bear, you’re perpetuating a debate we all agreed was retarded. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 27, 2018 22:41:39 GMT -6
Mike Mustakas headed to the Brewers.
Scratch that one off
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 22:44:07 GMT -6
Bear, you’re perpetuating a debate we all agreed was retarded. Don't blame me because you are too dense to get my point. If you want to totally use stats to form all of your opinions of a player, that is your choice. I am not chasing anything, I happen to disagree with Saint who seems to let stats do all of his thinking. That is is his right, too |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 22:50:32 GMT -6
Then why did you say earlier you'd pay closer attention to wRC+ and you should probably learn more about it .. if you don't need it Bear, you’re perpetuating a debate we all agreed was retarded. You always waste time trying to debate someone who can't form an opinion without having someone else or a stat sheet tell him what to think. I never intended to start a debate. I let the subject drop more than once but Saint insisted on trying ot prove that Stassi is a more productive hitter than Gurriel which is NOT true. I notice Saint hasn't posted an evaluation of his boy's hitting tonight. As Blum said, "stassi is really struggling right now"....the problem is that he is struggling against mediocre and inferior pitching. Stassi is an adequate backup catcher and that is all. When and if McCann comes back, Stassi's chances of making the playoff roster are very minimal. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 23:03:06 GMT -6
I was just curious why you said you wanted to learn more about wRC+ .. but you're not a stat nerd. I don't know how wRC+ is calculated
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 27, 2018 23:09:21 GMT -6
Cional Perez optioned
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